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Obama 2012- Because your 12 year old daughter doesn't need her clitoris!

I'm sure you need yours

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Obviously the Mubarak overthrow was worse for American interests, no doubt about that, but what did Obama have to do with it?

Maybe I missed that part, but I thought we just stayed out of it?

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I'm sure you need yours

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Nice second grade comeback. Andre = Clear and convincing evidence that most Obama supporters are morons.

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This is another obama scam gone to shit just like we said it would.  Too bad the used tampons like 180 and andre can't see how stupid they look.

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Egypt: Coptic Bishop: “Christians are currently experiencing their worst time in recent centuries"
ACN News ^ | 31st October 2011
Posted on October 30, 2011 8:58:46 PM EDT by markomalley


Bishop Anba Stephanos (Orthodox Coptic) of Beba and ElfashnChristians in Egypt are currently experiencing their worst time in recent centuries. This statement was made by the Coptic Orthodox Bishop Stephanos of Beba and Elfashn to the international Catholic charity Aid to the Church in Need (ACN). Christians are being violently killed under the eyes of the international media. Also, for the first time in many years, churches are being systematically burned and destroyed. The police are taking no action and nobody is punished for it. In the Egyptian media, “the facts are systematically covered up in order to keep the international media from reporting the truth and bringing pressure from outside,” he complained. However, video films showing the massacre of demonstrators on 9 October were broadcast by the three television stations operated by the Coptic Church and have thus also found their way into the international media. This time the attacks on Copts “have been better documented”.
Problems are also experienced in day-to-day life because calls are often made in the media not to buy from Christian merchants or to sell anything to Christians. Businessmen are therefore faced with a struggle for economic survival. Christians are indirectly excluded from employment, for example by job advertisements specifying “a female employee with headscarf”. Attempts are being made “to drive the Christians out”.

The Bishop warned against placing too much hope in the elections that are planned to take place in Egypt at the end of November. The future is “absolutely unclear”, he said. Nevertheless, in his view the Copts can “play a major role” because they are “numerically strong”.

Bishop Stephanos underlined the need for mutual solidarity among Christians. Jesus Christ said that we are all of one body. When one limb suffers, all the others suffer with it. Asked about his hopes for the future, the Bishop said: “We pray for freedom and peace, not only for Egypt but for the whole world.” If peace existed, the consequence would be that such problems would no longer arise. Nevertheless, all Coptic Christians are “prepared for martyrdom, as at the beginnings of Christianity.” From childhood onwards they hold close ties to their Church, which they regard as “their mother”. They would “support their country and their Church without any hesitation.”

Egypt has a total population of some 76 million, of whom 12 million are Christians. The majority of these belong to the Coptic Orthodox Church. Nearly 200,000 are catholic.

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This is another obama scam gone to shit just like we said it would.  Too bad the used tampons like 180 and andre can't see how stupid they look.

I can't believe you dare direct this comment at anyone else :o

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I can't believe you dare direct this comment at anyone else :o

You better believe it.   You have mad an utter ass of yourself.   

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You better believe it.   You have mad an utter ass of yourself.   

me thinks you are the ass...50,000 posts ranting on a guy who could care less =wasted life :-\

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me thinks you are the ass...50,000 posts ranting on a guy who could care less =wasted life :-\

Hey - i have an idea for your dumb 95% stupid ass.   Why not take yourself to Lybia and see how you are treated over there now that Gadafi is gone? 

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Grand Mufti of Egypt: Friendly ties between Tehran, Cairo benefit Muslim world
IMRA ^ | 10-31-11





Grand Mufti of Egypt: Friendly ties between Tehran, Cairo benefit Muslim world

Egypt’s Mufti: Friendly ties between Tehran, Cairo benefit Muslim world
EE staff Al-Masry Al-Youm Sat, 29/10/2011 - 15:16
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/509918

Ali Gomaa, the Grand Mufti of Egypt, has highlighted the necessity of establishing good relations between Tehran and Cairo, and said such ties would the benefit the whole Muslim world.

"The resumption of these relations and their return to their normal track is undoubtedly beneficial to the Islamic world and Muslims," Gomma told the Iranian Fars News Agency (FNA) on Saturday.

Gomaa said that care must be taken to differentiate the statements and actions of a few who seek to stir up differences and sectarian strife among Muslims from the many others who want to strengthen unity in the Islamic world.

Shia Iran and mainly Sunni Egypt severed ties in 1980 following Iran's Islamic revolution and Egypt's recognition of Israel. Both have competed for influence in the Middle East.

Egypt has long been an ally of the United States and Israel but since Hosni Mubarak resigned from the presidency on 11 February signs have indicated that relations between Cairo and Tehran are warming.

After the collapse of Mubarak's regime, Iranian and Egyptian officials voiced interest in resuming diplomatic relations and Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi officially invited his then Egyptian counterpart, Nabil Al-Araby, to visit Tehran.

The first publicly announced meeting between officials from both countries since Mubarak handed power to the army occurred in May, and Araby said after meeting Iranian official Mugtabi Amani that Cairo is ready to re-establish diplomatic ties with Tehran.

The Iranian foreign minister and his former Egyptian counterpart also held a meeting in Bali, Indonesia in August.



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73 get suspended terms for Israel embassy attack (Egyptian military court acquits two others)
Yahoo ^ | 10/31/11 | AFP




An Egyptian military court on Monday handed down six-month suspended jail sentences to 73 people accused of involvement in an attack on the Israeli embassy in September, a military source said.

Two other people were acquitted.

The September 9-10 attack on the Israeli embassy in Cairo by a crowd angered by Israel's killing of Egyptian policemen on the border forced the evacuation of staff including ambassador Yitzhak Levanon.

Three people were killed and more than 1,000 wounded, including 300 policemen, in clashes between protesters and security forces outside the embassy.


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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #561 on: November 02, 2011, 05:22:38 AM »
Top Muslim Declares All Christians ‘Infidels’ [Egypt]
FrontPage Magazine ^ | Nov 1st, 2011 | Raymond Ibrahim




To what extent was Egypt’s Maspero massacre, wherein the military literally mowed down Christian Copts protesting the ongoing destruction of their churches, a product of anti-Christian sentiment?

A video of Egypt’s grand mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa (or Gom’a), which began circulating weeks before the massacre, helps elucidate. While holding that Muslims may coexist with Christians (who, as dhimmis, have rights), Gomaa categorized Christians as kuffar — “infidels” — a word that connotes “enemies,” “evil-doers,” and every bad thing to Muslim ears.

After quoting Quran 5:17, “Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary,” he expounded by saying any association between a human and God (in Arabic, shirk) is the greatest sin: “Whoever thinks the Christ is God, or the Son of God, not symbolically — for we are all sons of God — but attributively, has rejected the faith which God requires for salvation,” thereby becoming an infidel.

Gomaa then offered a hypothetical dialogue between Christians and Muslims to illustrate Islam’s proper position:

Christians: You have the wrong idea about us; we don’t worship the Christ.

Muslims: Okay, fine; we were under the wrong impression — but, by the way: “Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, son of Mary.”

Christians: But these are philosophical matters that we are unable to explain.

Muslims: Okay, fine; God is one—but, by the way: “Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, son of Mary.”

As a graduate of and long-time professor at Al Azhar university and grand mufti of Egypt (a position second in authority only to Sheikh Al Azhar), Ali Gomaa represents mainstream Islam’s — not “radical Islam’s” or “Islamism’s” — position concerning the “other,” in this case, Christians. Regardless, many in the West hail him as a “moderate” — such as this U.S. News article titled “Finding the Voices of Moderate Islam“; Lawrence Wright describes him as “a highly promoted champion of moderate Islam”:

He is the kind of cleric the West longs for, because of his assurances that there is no conflict with democratic rule and no need for theocracy. Gomaa has also become an advocate for Muslim women, who he says should have equal standing with men.

How does one reconcile such sunny characterizations with reality? The fact is, whenever top Muslim authorities like Gomaa say something that can be made to conform to Western ideals, Westerners jump on it (while of course ignoring their more “extreme” positions). It is the same with Gomaa’s alma mater, Al Azhar, the “chief center of Islamic and Arabic learning in the world.”

MEMRI, for instance, recently published a report titled “The Sheikh of Al Azhar in an Exceptionally Tolerant Article: Christianity, Judaism Share Basic Tenets of Islam.” Of course, the day after this report appeared, this same sheikh — Islam’s most authoritative voice — insisted that the American ambassador wear a hijab when meeting him: just as Muslim “radicals” compel Christian girls to wear the hijab, “moderate” Al Azhar compels U.S. diplomats.

In short, yes, many religions “share basic tenets,” but they are secondary to the differences, which are more final and define the relationship. Or, to put it in Ali Gomaa’s paradigm: Fine, Christianity and Islam have commonalities — but, by the way: “Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, son of Mary.”

The fact is, this Quranic verse is as much a cornerstone of Islam’s view of Christianity as the unity of God and Christ is a cornerstone of Christianity, articulated some 1700 years ago in the Nicene Creed. The issue is clear cut for all involved.

Accordingly, how can one fault Gomaa? As grand mufti, he is simply being true to Islam’s teachings. Indeed, his consistency is more commendable than the equivocations of Western ecumencalists who, by falling over themselves to assure Muslims that they all essentially believe in the same things, demonstrate, especially to Muslims, that they believe in nothing.

Incidentally, if Gomaa upholds the plain teachings of the Quran concerning who is an infidel, is it not fair to assume he also upholds the Quran’s teachings on how to confront them, as commanded in Quran 9: 29: “Fight … the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] until they pay the Jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Of course, prudent Muslims, undoubtedly like Gomaa himself, know that now is not the time to talk openly about such things.

Either way, here is another reminder of how Quranic verses and terms that Western people brush aside as arcane or irrelevant have a tremendous impact on current events — such as Egypt’s Maspero massacre: For the same word Gomaa, the nation’s grand mufti, used to describe Christians is the same word Muslim soldiers used when they opened fire on and ran over Christian Copts; the same word twenty Muslim soldiers used as they tortured a protesting Christian; and the same word Muslims hurled at Christians during the funeral procession for their loved ones slain at Maspero: Infidel.

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #562 on: November 04, 2011, 08:41:33 PM »
U.S. hints it would not object to Brotherhood win in Egypt (How Special)
Montreal Gazette ^ | 11-4-11 | Driftwood1
Posted on November 4, 2011 11:39:56 PM EDT by Driftwood1

WASHINGTON - The United States would be "satisfied" if fair parliamentary elections in Egypt produced a Muslim Brotherhood victory, President Barack Obama's pointman for democratic transitions in the Middle East said Friday.

"I think the answer is yes, I think we will be satisfied, if it is a free and fair election," the newly appointed special co-ordinator for Middle East transitions, William Taylor, said when asked about what the U.S. reaction would be if the Islamist party comes out ahead in elections starting this month.

"What we need to do is judge people and parties and movements on what they do, not what they're called," Taylor told a forum at the Atlantic Council, a Washington think-tank.

In June Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Washington had been in "limited contacts" with the Muslim Brotherhood as part of an effort to adjust to Egypt's political upheaval.

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #563 on: November 05, 2011, 12:45:42 PM »
U.S. hints it would not object to Brotherhood win in Egypt (How Special)
Montreal Gazette ^ | 11-4-11 | Driftwood1
Posted on November 4, 2011 11:39:56 PM EDT by Driftwood1

WASHINGTON - The United States would be "satisfied" if fair parliamentary elections in Egypt produced a Muslim Brotherhood victory, President Barack Obama's pointman for democratic transitions in the Middle East said Friday.

"I think the answer is yes, I think we will be satisfied, if it is a free and fair election," the newly appointed special co-ordinator for Middle East transitions, William Taylor, said when asked about what the U.S. reaction would be if the Islamist party comes out ahead in elections starting this month.

"What we need to do is judge people and parties and movements on what they do, not what they're called," Taylor told a forum at the Atlantic Council, a Washington think-tank.

In June Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Washington had been in "limited contacts" with the Muslim Brotherhood as part of an effort to adjust to Egypt's political upheaval.

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look..the fact of the matter is that any democracy in the middle east is going to have an Islamic flavor to it whether we like it or not....lets not panic.....lets see what happens....also it doesn';t look like the military wants to relinquish power over there so we'll see if the Islamists take power

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #564 on: November 05, 2011, 01:03:51 PM »
look..the fact of the matter is that any democracy in the middle east is going to have an Islamic flavor to it whether we like it or not....lets not panic.....lets see what happens....also it doesn';t look like the military wants to relinquish power over there so we'll see if the Islamists take power

How can you have a democracy with "an Islamic flavor"?  Islam is not compatible with Democracy. 

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #565 on: November 05, 2011, 01:24:51 PM »
How can you have a democracy with "an Islamic flavor"?  Islam is not compatible with Democracy. 

same as we have a democracy with a christian flavor

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #566 on: November 05, 2011, 01:33:39 PM »
same as we have a democracy with a christian flavor


Lmao!!!!!!   The kenyan flavor aint working out.

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #567 on: November 05, 2011, 01:36:24 PM »

Lmao!!!!!!   The kenyan flavor aint working out.


I guess the Texas flavor was amazing wasn't it?>

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #568 on: November 05, 2011, 05:40:41 PM »
same as we have a democracy with a christian flavor

 ???

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #569 on: November 05, 2011, 07:35:19 PM »
???

look up the history..I'm not gonna explain it

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #570 on: November 06, 2011, 10:16:17 AM »
It's simple... I'm not a Christian... I think all religion is a farce, but here... TODAY... in 2011.

I'd rather have a democracy based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, than Islamic ones... Not because of the religion, but at this point in time in history, the fact is that Judeo-Christian religions have advanced enough in history and flexibility to be malleable to the will of the people, where Islamic religions do not allow any deviation at all.

That said, Sikhism is probably one of the most flexible and doesn't ask you to try to convert anyone.

Believe or not... it's up to you.

Still, for this discussion, I'll take Judeo-Christian over Islam any day.

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #571 on: November 06, 2011, 11:01:43 AM »
It's simple... I'm not a Christian... I think all religion is a farce, but here... TODAY... in 2011.

I'd rather have a democracy based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, than Islamic ones... Not because of the religion, but at this point in time in history, the fact is that Judeo-Christian religions have advanced enough in history and flexibility to be malleable to the will of the people, where Islamic religions do not allow any deviation at all.

That said, Sikhism is probably one of the most flexible and doesn't ask you to try to convert anyone.

Believe or not... it's up to you.

Still, for this discussion, I'll take Judeo-Christian over Islam any day.

Racist post reported and I am going to forward this post to the powers that be so your membership in the democratic party is revoked.

How dare you think for yourself and make an intelligent decision based on common sense.

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #572 on: November 06, 2011, 02:14:09 PM »
It's simple... I'm not a Christian... I think all religion is a farce, but here... TODAY... in 2011.

I'd rather have a democracy based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, than Islamic ones... Not because of the religion, but at this point in time in history, the fact is that Judeo-Christian religions have advanced enough in history and flexibility to be malleable to the will of the people, where Islamic religions do not allow any deviation at all.

That said, Sikhism is probably one of the most flexible and doesn't ask you to try to convert anyone.

Believe or not... it's up to you.

Still, for this discussion, I'll take Judeo-Christian over Islam any day.

I definitely agree with you....but remember that even in christianity there was lots of blood spilled and many peoples all over the world were converted to christianity by force as well.....

however, you are right that at least we can argue with a christian about the merits of his/her religion without worrying that we will be beheaded.....whereas Islamists demand total obedience

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #573 on: November 06, 2011, 03:55:48 PM »
I definitely agree with you....but remember that even in christianity there was lots of blood spilled and many peoples all over the world were converted to christianity by force as well.....

however, you are right that at least we can argue with a christian about the merits of his/her religion without worrying that we will be beheaded.....whereas Islamists demand total obedience

Many people were converted to Islam through force. The Crusades came about after a few hundred years of imperialist Arab Muslims rampaging around the Middle East converting Christians and killing/raping/destroying those who didn't.

You think the Arabs in Egypt are Egyptian? No, they're imperialists just like mean ol' USA. The Coptic Christians are the true Egyptians. Shame they're being genocided out of existence while people like you cheer it on.

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Re: Boehner: Obama a citizen and handled Egypt correctly...3333 commits suicide!
« Reply #574 on: November 06, 2011, 04:11:55 PM »
Andreisatwat would cheer on david duke if it mean propping up obama.