Frank Hillebrand RIP

[Disgusted]

That's a pretty silly statement. There are known documented cases of people who have taken large doses..often orals, to the point they have impaired their liver function or have destroyed their kidneys..And then continue to use untill they have even more severe reactions. That is abuse..and any drug or chemical can be abused. To say there is no such thing as steroid abuse is ridiculous. Abuse and acceptable risk are two different things.

I'm not pro or con when it comes to steroids and I'm no saying that they can't ever do harm, but I think that most on here believe all the hype about how bad there are and they also don't realise all the other drugs that a lot of pros use. If I was to come on here and say that I was using 100 mgs of Anadrol daily most guys on here would wish me well because surely my liver is going to triple in size and melt away with cancerous growths within a short period of time.

Most people don't know that the recommended dose for Anadrol 50 for a 200 pound person male or female adult or child is between 90 and 450 mg daily for 3 to 6 months minimum. I'm not aware of any documented studies and I'm sure that most studies or patient cases are documented anyway, but I did read about a young girl who was prescribed Anadrol for over a year, can't remember the dose but I think it was over 100 mgs daily and developed liver tumors which doesn't surprise me.            

[tbombz]

Here ya go. I think there are 4 parts.

thats a good video series but i think its easily misinterpreted. at one part it realizes the importance and expertise of scientists, the ones who realised low fat diets are garbage...   but for the majority of the video it cmes across as extremely anti-scientist, anti-researchers, anti-government. which is just horseshit.

[Disgusted]

thats a good video series but i think its easily misinterpreted. at one part it realizes the importance and expertise of scientists, the ones who realised low fat diets are garbage...   but for the majority of the video it cmes across as extremely anti-scientist, anti-researchers, anti-government. which is just horseshit.

A lot of it is tongue in cheek and I think meant to appeal to the lay person. As far as the goverment goes they are the ones who tell use what is good to eat. Dr Eades seems to know his stuff and I like to read his blog. He really knows his stuff when it comes to the body.

[Van_Bilderass]

That's a pretty silly statement. There are known documented cases of people who have taken large doses..often orals, to the point they have impaired their liver function or have destroyed their kidneys..And then continue to use untill they have even more severe reactions. That is abuse..and any drug or chemical can be abused. To say there is no such thing as steroid abuse is ridiculous. Abuse and acceptable risk are two different things.

I think you completely misunderstood my point. The point is that the term "abuse" is in the eye of the beholder. The majority of the medical community feels that all image enhancing use of steroids is abuse. The only thing that is not abuse is the very few indications these drugs have for treating a few medical conditions. Go ahead, ask a doctor if your bodybuilding use of black market drugs is use or abuse.

AND... any and all use of steroids can cause dangerous side effects. Just a mere 100mg of testosterone a week can induce polycythemia.

Most bodybuilders feel they aren't abusing these drugs, it's always someone else, someone doing slightly more. They have drawn a very subjective line. Some feel unless you do frequent blood work you're abusing. But even here, how often should you do blood work and what kind of blood work? Some feel any oral use is abuse. Some feel any insulin use by non-diabetics is abuse, whereas some other guy may argue insulin use is actually healthy.

It's completely subjective, making the term lose all meaning. Your definition of abuse has a lot to do with when you grew up. Whatever you did is fine, what the younger generation is doing is abuse, all these "new and dangerous drugs".

[The True Adonis]

Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids. 

[DroppingPlates]

Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids. 

Doesn't matter in your case

[LatsMcGee]

Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids. 

What's your stack?

[dyslexic]

What's your stack?

MD magazines and a roll of TP

[The True Adonis]

What's your stack?

A stack of dimes for the neck and a few twigs for the arms and legs.  Just the way I prefer.

[njflex]

that guy in the video resembled rockel a bit and built similar when ronnie was smaller yrs back.

[tbombz]

Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids. 

ill tell leafy what you think of him

[pedro01]

Most bodybuilders feel they aren't abusing these drugs, it's always someone else, someone doing slightly more. They have drawn a very subjective line. Some feel unless you do frequent blood work you're abusing. But even here, how often should you do blood work and what kind of blood work? Some feel any oral use is abuse. Some feel any insulin use by non-diabetics is abuse, whereas some other guy may argue insulin use is actually healthy.

Absolutely. And it is the same when you look at people who drink, snort coke, jack heroin, smoke meth etc. etc.

All drug addicts believe they have their habit under control and that it's not hurting them.

It's called denial. There is much of it on this thread. Common sense takes a back seat to denial.

[BayGBM]

that guy in the video resembled rockel a bit and built similar when ronnie was smaller yrs back.

x2

[Stavios]

Absolutely. And it is the same when you look at people who drink, snort coke, jack heroin, smoke meth etc. etc.

All drug addicts believe they have their habit under control and that it's not hurting them.

It's called denial. There is much of it on this thread. Common sense takes a back seat to denial.

I am addicted to roids

but if it wasn't roid, it would be alcool so might as well go with roids so I get something out of it

[tbombz]

Absolutely. And it is the same when you look at people who drink, snort coke, jack heroin, smoke meth etc. etc.

All drug addicts believe they have their habit under control and that it's not hurting them.

It's called denial. There is much of it on this thread. Common sense takes a back seat to denial.

use

abuse

two different words, two different definitions

[DK II]

The denial is amusing.

Look at this body:

This is not a healthy body. This is a body that has been pumped full of various drugs.

I am fairly sure if you visited getmeth.com, you would find hundreds of meth users talking about how meth doesn't kill you either.

It seems that people can accept that lifestyle can have an impact on your health. What is harder is for people to accept that their own lifestyle is unhealthy.

Basically - most likely cause of death is massive drug abuse over many years. His heart was probably the size of a cows heart.

So what is "Healthy" anyways??

I can say i lived a very health oriented lifestyle for the last ten years, but lately i doubt that it makes any sense at all.
I haven't been drinking, avoided smokers as much as i could, going so far that i wouldn't visit friends that smoked or go out with them. I am an ex-smoker, i fucking hate tobacco smell more than anything in the world.
My diet was almost all the time top notch, except the occasional cheat meal now and then to prevent me from going crazy, and the obvious times of frustration where you doubt it all and go crazy in a McDonald's, lol.

Now looking back, i think it created more stress for me to live healthy in an environment that would not accept my lifestyle, or try to get me to eat shit, smoke, drink and so on all the time than to give in and have the occasional beer or wine or fuck the diet.
I had times where i was seriously pissed because they didn't have organic meat at the supermarket and i believed i had to eat "garbage" now.

Lately, i don't think it is worth it to stress yourself about your health in this extremes, if you want to look good and still have a decent normal life, steroids definitely help i would say. Sure this rules out drinking and smoking, but these two things shouldn't be done by anyone anyways.

And when i look at some juicer in the gym who abuses steroids and HGH, and then i am standing in the last train home from work at 11p.m. and see all the overworked, drunk, of tobacco smelling tired yet nervous from the high amounts of caffeine people, i really wonder what is the bigger health risk, the "normal" life or having a good diet with the ability to cheat and abuse some hormones.

So, in the end, is there something like a "healthy" lifestyle? I doubt it. I think it's rather: "Choose your poison", in the end we all die.

Just to make it clear, i think professional BB is an extreme, and far from healthy, so there's no need to discuss this, but on the other hand, i don't want to look into ANY professional athlete. I think all of them treat the body in a unhealthy way, although they might look healthy from the outside. But also, here again, is a marathon runner unhealthier than someone working in road construction every day?

[Princess L]

Good-looking guy.  (no homo)

Does he leave any kids behind?  What ages? 

So sad, but if he does have kids and they're provided for, then he's still alpha in my book.

No kids.

I find it kinda sad that his death was posted on the internet probably before any family in Germany knew 

[LatsMcGee]

So what is "Healthy" anyways??

I can say i lived a very health oriented lifestyle for the last ten years, but lately i doubt that it makes any sense at all.
I haven't been drinking, avoided smokers as much as i could, going so far that i wouldn't visit friends that smoked or go out with them. I am an ex-smoker, i fucking hate tobacco smell more than anything in the world.
My diet was almost all the time top notch, except the occasional cheat meal now and then to prevent me from going crazy, and the obvious times of frustration where you doubt it all and go crazy in a McDonald's, lol.

Now looking back, i think it created more stress for me to live healthy in an environment that would not accept my lifestyle, or try to get me to eat shit, smoke, drink and so on all the time than to give in and have the occasional beer or wine or fuck the diet.
I had times where i was seriously pissed because they didn't have organic meat at the supermarket and i believed i had to eat "garbage" now.

Lately, i don't think it is worth it to stress yourself about your health in this extremes, if you want to look good and still have a decent normal life, steroids definitely help i would say. Sure this rules out drinking and smoking, but these two things shouldn't be done by anyone anyways.

And when i look at some juicer in the gym who abuses steroids and HGH, and then i am standing in the last train home from work at 11p.m. and see all the overworked, drunk, of tobacco smelling tired yet nervous from the high amounts of caffeine people, i really wonder what is the bigger health risk, the "normal" life or having a good diet with the ability to cheat and abuse some hormones.

So, in the end, is there something like a "healthy" lifestyle? I doubt it. I think it's rather: "Choose your poison", in the end we all die.

Just to make it clear, i think professional BB is an extreme, and far from healthy, so there's no need to discuss this, but on the other hand, i don't want to look into ANY professional athlete. I think all of them treat the body in a unhealthy way, although they might look healthy from the outside. But also, here again, is a marathon runner unhealthier than someone working in road construction every day?

Spoton...

[The Grim Lifter]

Muscle is for morons and morons have muscles. 

Fixed to suit you

[affeman]

So what is "Healthy" anyways??

I can say i lived a very health oriented lifestyle for the last ten years, but lately i doubt that it makes any sense at all.
I haven't been drinking, avoided smokers as much as i could, going so far that i wouldn't visit friends that smoked or go out with them. I am an ex-smoker, i fucking hate tobacco smell more than anything in the world.
My diet was almost all the time top notch, except the occasional cheat meal now and then to prevent me from going crazy, and the obvious times of frustration where you doubt it all and go crazy in a McDonald's, lol.

Now looking back, i think it created more stress for me to live healthy in an environment that would not accept my lifestyle, or try to get me to eat shit, smoke, drink and so on all the time than to give in and have the occasional beer or wine or fuck the diet.
I had times where i was seriously pissed because they didn't have organic meat at the supermarket and i believed i had to eat "garbage" now.

Lately, i don't think it is worth it to stress yourself about your health in this extremes, if you want to look good and still have a decent normal life, steroids definitely help i would say. Sure this rules out drinking and smoking, but these two things shouldn't be done by anyone anyways.

And when i look at some juicer in the gym who abuses steroids and HGH, and then i am standing in the last train home from work at 11p.m. and see all the overworked, drunk, of tobacco smelling tired yet nervous from the high amounts of caffeine people, i really wonder what is the bigger health risk, the "normal" life or having a good diet with the ability to cheat and abuse some hormones.

So, in the end, is there something like a "healthy" lifestyle? I doubt it. I think it's rather: "Choose your poison", in the end we all die.

Just to make it clear, i think professional BB is an extreme, and far from healthy, so there's no need to discuss this, but on the other hand, i don't want to look into ANY professional athlete. I think all of them treat the body in a unhealthy way, although they might look healthy from the outside. But also, here again, is a marathon runner unhealthier than someone working in road construction every day?

DK is looking for a justification to hop on the juice??? The most bitter "natural for life; juicers are scum" guy of em all???

[Mr Nobody]

No kids.

I find it kinda sad that his death was posted on the internet probably before any family in Germany knew 

X2

[dyslexic]

"Health-Oriented" almost has an Asian ring to it...



Raff Out Roud

[DK II]

DK is looking for a justification to hop on the juice??? The most bitter "natural for life; juicers are scum" guy of em all???

Call it evolution, or maybe enlightenment, but at the moment i am fed up with the fact that a little miss in the diet or a little strain from the strict exercise regimen will end up in worse conditioning or looking bloated (holy shit i tell you, Japanese eat TONS of salt).

I see these clowns in the gym looking in shape all year round、they train like pussies and when you talk to them they have no clue about nutrition.

 

[honest]

The Power of the darkside is strong.

[DEFCON]

I can't guarantee that.  He just never made a big enough impact to get and stay on the radar screen.

Would you do him?