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« on: February 22, 2011, 11:16:37 PM »

Building 7 was the third skyscraper to be reduced to rubble on September 11, 2001. According to the government, fires, primarily, leveled this building, but fires have never before or since destroyed a steel skyscraper.

The team that investigated the collapse were kept away from the crime scene. By the time they published their inconclusive report in May, 2002, the evidence had been destroyed.

Why did the government rapidly recycle the steel from the largest and most mysterious engineering failure in world history, and why has the media remained silent?
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 11:18:27 PM »

Foreknowledge of WTC 7's Collapse

Of the two principle theories of WTC 7's collapse -- one being global structural failure due to prior debris impact and ongoing fire damage, and the other being controlled demolition -- the second is favored by foreknowledge of the collapse. This is particularly true given the lack of precedent of total collapses of steel framed structures during fires. So unprecedented was the collapse of Building 7 that the government has yet to explain it, in 2007.

That would probably be lost on most responders on the site, who would have the fresh memories of the Twin Towers' explosions to help them accept the notion that the total of collapse of smoking skyscrapers is a natural and even predictable occurrence.

Witness reports show that officials who controlled the streets around WTC 7 evacuated the area in the hour before the 5:20 PM collapse, and that various officials forwarded verbal warnings conveying certainty that the collapse would occur. Network television broadcasts contain announcements of the collapse at least as 23 minutes before the event.
Witness Accounts of Foreknowledge

This overview of witness accounts shows that the evacuation of the area surrounding WTC 7 started sometime around 4 PM, and was completed only a few minutes before the 5:20 collapse. The warnings of the collapse, which are recalled in dozens of accounts by emergency responders, show a striking consistency of conviction that the collapse would occur.
Premature Announcements on Television Broadcasts
The BBC announces the collapse of WTC 7 as the facade stands behind correspondent Jane Standley.

At least two television networks made premature announcements of the collapse of WTC 7. The BBC unequivocally announced the collapse about 23 minutes before the fact, and even featured a New York correspondent speaking of the collapse in past tense with the still-erect skyscraper standing behind her.

CNN anchor Aaron Brown announced that the building "has either collapsed or is collapsing" about an hour before the event. Unlike the BBC correspondent, Brown seemed to be able to read the skyline and see that Building 7 was still standing -- perhaps accounting for the muddled announcement.

These premature reports were uncovered in the wake of the publication of URLS of a vast archive of television footage



The premature announcements of the collapse of WTC by television networks went unnoticed until researchers discovered a vast archive of television broadcast footage from the day of the attack. On February 22, 2007, a post on 911Blogger.com listed the URLs on Archive.org of 417 mpeg recordings capturing about 60 hours broadcast coverage starting on the morning of 9/11/01 from each of six different television stations. Each of the high-quality recordings covering about 41 minutes of broadcast.

The coverage included the following television stations and time spans:
TV station    start time    end time
NBC4 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 20:23
ABC7 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 22:29
BBC    9/11 09:16    9/13 20:19
FOX5 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 20:23
CNN    9/11 08:48    9/13 20:33
CBS9 Washington    9/11 08:31    9/13 20:23

Unfortunately, Archive.org made the footage archive inaccessible to the public shortly after the BBC foreknowledge story was publicized.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 11:19:27 PM »

"..and here, we, GO."

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 11:19:35 PM »

Fires Versus Steel Buildings

The official explanation that fires caused the collapse of Building 7 is incredible in light of the fact that fires have never caused a steel-framed building to totally collapse, before or after September 11th, 2001.

Steel-framed high-rises (buildings of fifteen stories or more) have been common for more than 100 years. There have been hundreds of incidents involving severe fires in such buildings, and none have led to complete collapse, or even partial collapse of support columns.
view of fire in First Interstate Building in Los Angeles
The Interstate Bank Building fire consumed several floors but did not damage the steel superstructure.

Recent examples of high-rise fires include the 1991 One Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia, which raged for 18 hours and gutted 8 floors of the 38-floor building; 1   and the 1988 First Interstate Bank Building fire in Los Angeles, which burned out of control for 3-1/2 hours and gutted 4 floors of the 64 floor tower. Both of these fires were far more severe than any fires seen in Building 7, but those buildings did not collapse. The Los Angeles fire was described as producing "no damage to the main structural members". 2  

Research indicates that even if a steel-framed building were subjected to an impossible superfire, hundreds of degrees hotter and far more extensive then any fire ever observed in a real building, it would still not collapse.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 11:19:49 PM »

It's so weird how that building just pretty much fell on its own. Even IF it's a government conspiracy, what would be the reason for leveling it? What would "they" get out of it? The twin towers makes more sense in that respect.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 11:20:42 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 11:21:50 PM »

Building 7's Rubble Pile

Less than seven seconds after Building 7 began to implode, all that was left of the steel skyscraper was a rubble pile. The rubble pile is notable for several features:

WTC 7 rubble pile * its location - It was centered around the vertical axis of the former building.
* its size - The pile from the 47-story building was less than two stories high.
* its tidiness - The pile was almost entirely within the footprint of the former building

What does the shape of the rubble pile indicate about the events leading to the collapse of building 7?

Consider the rubble piles produced by other collapses. The only examples of total collapses of steel frame highrises (excepting WTC 1, 2, and 7) involved either severe earthquakes or controlled demolition.
Total collapses due to earthquakes are extremely rare. The rubble piles of the few documented cases had none of the above features. 1 
Total collapses due to controlled demolition generally have all of the above features. In fact, to achieve such a small, consolidated rubble pile is one of the main objectives of a controlled demolition.



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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 11:23:17 PM »

The Destruction of Building 7's Remains

Engineering is a science that melds theory and experience to create robust structures. Unintended structural failures are rare events that warrant the most careful scrutiny, since they test engineering theory.

That is why the NTSB carefully documents aircraft crash scenes, and preserves the aircraft remains, frequently creating partial reconstructions in hangars. If an investigation reveals a mechanical or design fault, the FAA usually mandates specific modifications of equipment or maintenance procedures system-wide, and future aircraft are designed to avoid the fault.

Unintended structural failures are less common in steel-framed highrises than in aircraft. Being the only such building in history in which fire is blamed for total collapse, Building 7's remains warranted the most painstaking examination, documentation, and analysis.
aerial view of Ground Zero Building 7's rubble pile was at least as important as any archeological dig. It contained all the clues to one of the largest structural failures in history. Without understanding the cause of the collapse, all skyscrapers become suspect, with profound implications for the safety of occupants and for the ethics of sending emergency personnel into burning buildings to save people and fight fires.

There was no legitimate reason not to dismantle the rubble pile carefully, documenting the position of each piece of steel and moving it to a warehouse for further study. No one was thought buried in the pile, since, unlike the Twin Towers, Building 7 had been evacuated hours before the collapse. The pile was so well confined to the building's footprint that the adjacent streets could have been cleared without disturbing it.

Yet, despite the paramount importance of the remains, they were hauled away and melted down as quickly as possible. The steel was sold to scrap metal vendors and most of it was soon on ships bound for China and India. Some of the smaller pieces and a few token large pieces of steel marked 'save' were allowed to be inspected at Fresh Kills landfill by FEMA's BPAT volunteers.

This illegal evidence destruction operation was conducted over the objections of attack victims' family members and respected public safety officials. Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old Fire Engineering Magazine, wrote in an article condemning the operation:
Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the happy land social club fire? ... That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center. The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately. 1 
Dr. Frederick W. Mowrer, an associate professor in the Fire Protection Engineering Department at the University of Maryland, was quoted in the New York Times as saying:
I find the speed with which potentially important evidence has been removed and recycled to be appalling. 2 

Officials running the "cleanup operation" took pains to make sure the structural steel didn't end up anywhere but in blast furnaces. They installed GPS locator devices on each of the trucks hauling loads from Ground Zero at a cost of $1000 each. One driver who took an extended lunch break was dismissed. 3   
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 01:12:30 AM »

wtc7 is the big gaping hole in the whole official story. it was clearly, CLEARLY a controlled demo. i was one of those people who just blew off all the 'conspiracy theories', until i started looking into why and how wtc7 fell and why it was never mentioned and nobody seems to know about it.

looking into why and how wtc7 fell will make a believer out of anyone with half a brain.
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2011, 01:17:07 AM »

Anyone who still believes in this nonsense should head on over to the james randi skeptic forum and go to the 9/11 conspiracy section on there, the members there will tear you a new asshole on any part of it, probably the highest IQ members of any forum Ive seen, no coincidence most of them are atheists and skeptics, men of science.

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Threads on WTC7

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=131756

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=197442

Read that and then come back and tell me it was a conspiracy.

On that note it would be hilarious to see Sev try and bullshit his "claims" over there  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2011, 04:16:01 AM »

Wow. All that trouble to hijack planes, controlled demos, misinformation, etc...

And still didn't plant WMD's in the Iraqi desert. Hmmm....
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 04:28:04 AM »

Everyone knows it was an inside job... those who don't believe in santa claus.

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 05:03:39 AM »

WTC7 was home to a lot of govt agencies and NYC's "control center" for serious shit.   Look at the names that were in this building (coincidentally) when the planes hit.  Rudy was there. 

Eventually, some file, memo, or blueprint would have left this building. 


So whether anything on that day was *whatever*....
IF it was (believe whatever you'd like), WTC7 would have been the control center for *whatever* was happening.



Hell, I think the bigger Q people should ask was "Why did fema set up huge medical centers with cots and staff right up the street from the towers the evening of Sept 10th? 
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 05:18:15 AM »

Anyone who still believes in this nonsense should head on over to the james randi skeptic forum and go to the 9/11 conspiracy section on there, the members there will tear you a new asshole on any part of it, probably the highest IQ members of any forum Ive seen, no coincidence most of them are atheists and skeptics, men of science.

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Threads on WTC7

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=131756

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=197442

Read that and then come back and tell me it was a conspiracy.

On that note it would be hilarious to see Sev try and bullshit his "claims" over there  Grin

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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 05:18:55 AM »

You guys realize the hyjackers never intended to bring down any buildings don't you?

Just hitting them was their goal and the death and damage would have got their message across plenty well enough.

The fact they fell was a bonus but wasn't something they could control so they wouldn't have even thought about it.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2011, 06:11:49 AM »

many eyewitnesses heard explosions before the towers came down as well.
dont forget that the fbi helped bombing the wtc in 93.
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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2011, 07:32:52 AM »

Truthers are idiots. How would they keep everyones mouth shut who was in on it? You know how much that would cost! It would bankrupt the U.S ten times over. How good is our Goverement at keeping secrets. Are President can't even get a blow job in the white house without the whole world finding out. If this really happened you don't think more people wouldn't have come forward with some real solid concrete evidence! Retards.
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« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2011, 07:34:13 AM »

Truthers are idiots. How would they keep everyones mouth shut who was in on it? You know how much that would cost! It would bankrupt the U.S ten times over. How good is our Goverement at keeping secrets. Are President can't even get a blow job in the white house without the whole world finding out. If this really happened you don't think more people wouldn't have come forward with some real solid concrete evidence! Retards.

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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2011, 07:38:12 AM »

Truthers are idiots. How would they keep everyones mouth shut who was in on it? You know how much that would cost! It would bankrupt the U.S ten times over. How good is our Goverement at keeping secrets. Are President can't even get a blow job in the white house without the whole world finding out. If this really happened you don't think more people wouldn't have come forward with some real solid concrete evidence! Retards.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2011, 07:43:06 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2011, 07:50:54 AM »

A group of experts came up with the amount of goverement officials it would to pull this off. Somewhere between 8 and 10 thousand. You think that many people can keep quite? There is no way in hell this could of been an inside job!
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2011, 08:06:51 AM »

That number doesn't include the tens of thousands of people it would of took to wire up the buildings with explosives. You think they're all gonna keep quite.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2011, 08:26:41 AM »

No jewish peoples were harmed in the making of 9/11
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2011, 08:38:23 AM »

No jewish peoples were harmed in the making of 9/11


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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2011, 09:05:38 AM »

I seriously doubt any Engineer who designed the buildings took into consideration what would happen to the steel support system if 2 airplanes crashed into the buildings and exploded with thousands of gallons of jet fuel...
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