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[Soul Crusher]

Not to mention xmas break, easter break, etc.

[tonymctones]

as does everyone else who is salaried...I know a number of teachers and yes some do work more than 40 hours others not so much...

ANSWER THIS QUESTION...what rationale do you use to justify paying someone a years pay for 9 months of work?

bump for an answer prime...and while youre at it please tell me what rationale you use to justify paying a part time employee full time wages?

[Hereford]

Why, because they DESERVE it goddammit!!!  To NOT give the public unions EVERYTHING they want is to be against the working middle class!

All they are trying to do is stay middle class and not live in poverty, and we all know it takes AT LEAST a 10% cost of living raise every year and 3 months off a year to be able to do so.

[Kazan]

Not to mention xmas break, easter break, etc.

You forgot all the "teacher institute" days, still don't have a clue what the fuck they do on those days.

[Kazan]

Why, because they DESERVE it goddammit!!!  To NOT give the public unions EVERYTHING they want is to be against the working middle class!

All they are trying to do is stay middle class and not live in poverty, and we all know it takes AT LEAST a 10% cost of living raise every year and 3 months off a year to be able to do so.

Obviously, I mean I children are being taught so well and so much smarter then the rest of the world, oh wait.......

[Hereford]

This needs to be reposted... it's just so spot-on accurate.

[Primemuscle]

bump for an answer prime...and while youre at it please tell me what rationale you use to justify paying a part time employee full time wages?

Show me when I ever said part time employees should get full time wages?

Apparently in the absence of my interest in playing your game, you decided to make shit up.

It is obvious to me you don't want discussion you just want a forum to blast public employees. I think you can do that just fine without my help.

So bump away. You are wasting your time.

[grab an umbrella]

Show me when I ever said part time employees should get full time wages?

Apparently in the absence of my interest in playing your game, you decided to make shit up.

It is obvious to me you don't want discussion you just want a forum to blast public employees. I think you can do that just fine without my help.

So bump away. You are wasting your time.

Answer the question.  Honestly, just answer it.

[whork25]

This needs to be reposted... it's just so spot-on accurate.

Its pretty good actually

[tonymctones]

Show me when I ever said part time employees should get full time wages?

Apparently in the absence of my interest in playing your game, you decided to make shit up.

It is obvious to me you don't want discussion you just want a forum to blast public employees. I think you can do that just fine without my help.

So bump away. You are wasting your time.

youre complaining about part time bus drivers and cooks only making 22k a year...

ok dont answer that then just answer the first question then prime.

what rationale do you use to justify paying someone a years pay for 9 months of work?

[240 is Back]

ANSWER THIS QUESTION...what rationale do you use to justify paying someone a years pay for 9 months of work?

It's actually 10 months of work - they com back a week earlier and stay a week later.

and if you have a career in it, you already know that several weeks of your summer are required for ESe training, re-certification, tech training, etc.  Professional service, whatever they call it.  You can't just fall off the map on the last day of school then walk up on day 1 and "punch in" like you can at most jobs.

And their pay is also pro-rated for the full year (if they want).  In other words, you can opt for "pay me for 10 months then don't give me another check for 10 weeks" - which is what I actually did as a teacher.

Most will opt for "spread it over 26 of the 2-week pay periods so I don't go broke in the summer!"   I paid for my summer classes with my $, so I took the $ up front.  But that's part of what you tell HR on day 1 of orientation - so they are actually salaried employees for 10 months that often choose to spread it so they can pay the bills.

[George Whorewell]

It's actually 10 months of work - they com back a week earlier and stay a week later.

and if you have a career in it, you already know that several weeks of your summer are required for ESe training, re-certification, tech training, etc.  Professional service, whatever they call it.  You can't just fall off the map on the last day of school then walk up on day 1 and "punch in" like you can at most jobs.

And their pay is also pro-rated for the full year (if they want).  In other words, you can opt for "pay me for 10 months then don't give me another check for 10 weeks" - which is what I actually did as a teacher.

Most will opt for "spread it over 26 of the 2-week pay periods so I don't go broke in the summer!"   I paid for my summer classes with my $, so I took the $ up front.  But that's part of what you tell HR on day 1 of orientation - so they are actually salaried employees for 10 months that often choose to spread it so they can pay the bills.

240 you should really go into politics. Your like John Edwards only not as smart, good looking, interesting or acomplished.

[240 is Back]

240 you should really go into politics. Your like John Edwards only not as smart, good looking, interesting or acomplished.

I feel that I share Edwards' penchant for willingness to expose my genitals for the video camera, however.

It is the one thing that he and I share.  Two Americas.  Those who expose their junk, and those who do not.

[Primemuscle]

youre complaining about part time bus drivers and cooks only making 22k a year...

ok dont answer that then just answer the first question then prime.

what rationale do you use to justify paying someone a years pay for 9 months of work?

When did I "complain" about what cooks, busdrivers or anyone else makes?

240, who is obviously someone who knows  shitload more than you do, answered this question for you.

Incidentally, I was at a meeting today where the partimization of postal workers was discussed. At this time the only positions being filled with the USPS are part time positions. And as I told you previously, there are plans to cut Saturday delivery. Your dad may think his job with the post office is secure, but it may not be the case. Hopefully he is close to retirement and can get out before the USPS is completely privatized. They already contract millions of dollars worth of services to UPS. Were you aware of this? Check this out: http://www.usps.com/communications/news/press/2006/pr06_044.htm. This agreement to pay UPS has been recently extended.

[tonymctones]

It's actually 10 months of work - they com back a week earlier and stay a week later.

and if you have a career in it, you already know that several weeks of your summer are required for ESe training, re-certification, tech training, etc.  Professional service, whatever they call it.  You can't just fall off the map on the last day of school then walk up on day 1 and "punch in" like you can at most jobs.

And their pay is also pro-rated for the full year (if they want).  In other words, you can opt for "pay me for 10 months then don't give me another check for 10 weeks" - which is what I actually did as a teacher.

Most will opt for "spread it over 26 of the 2-week pay periods so I don't go broke in the summer!"   I paid for my summer classes with my $, so I took the $ up front.  But that's part of what you tell HR on day 1 of orientation - so they are actually salaried employees for 10 months that often choose to spread it so they can pay the bills.

LOL so you mean you have to have CE? so do tons of other jobs 240...they still dont get paid for time they arent working...

[Soul Crusher]

Check out the article I posted in the other thread about the firefighters in Wisconsin what they pulled.   

yeah, and the average taxpayer should feel sympathy for these people?    

[tonymctones]

When did I "complain" about what cooks, busdrivers or anyone else makes?

240, who is obviously someone who knows  shitload more than you do, answered this question for you.

Incidentally, I was at a meeting today where the partimization of postal workers was discussed. At this time the only positions being filled with the USPS are part time positions. And as I told you previously, there are plans to cut Saturday delivery. Your dad may think his job with the post office is secure, but it may not be the case. Hopefully he is close to retirement and can get out before the USPS is completely privatized. They already contract millions of dollars worth of services to UPS. Were you aware of this? Check this out: http://www.usps.com/communications/news/press/2006/pr06_044.htm. This agreement to pay UPS has been recently extended.

LMFAO then wtf have you been bitching about all this time? talking about pay of cooks, custodians and bus drivers then?

goodness gracious

[blacken700]

Check out the article I posted in the other thread about the firefighters in Wisconsin what they pulled.   

yeah, and the average taxpayer should feel sympathy for these people?    

Records indicate that 11 past and current Executive Board members submitted expense vouchers for fictional meetings between 2002 and 2008, collecting more than $17,000 in mileage and per diems as a result.

so your saying that all the firefighters are the same,don't want to insult you but are you really a lawyer

[Soul Crusher]

And what did they do w the money? 

[tu_holmes]

We have thousands of laws on the books as well as dozens of agencies now dealing w that.  Its more fear mongering by unions. 

Shouldn't those "agencies" be removed from the government?

It's probably better when the private sector manages it's benefits... Isn't that the Capitalist way?

[blacken700]

Check out the article I posted in the other thread about the firefighters in Wisconsin what they pulled.   

yeah, and the average taxpayer should feel sympathy for these people?    

Records indicate that 11 past and current Executive Board members submitted expense vouchers for fictional meetings between 2002 and 2008, collecting more than $17,000 in mileage and per diems as a result.

so your saying that all the firefighters are the same,don't want to insult you but are you really a lawyer

so i ask again what does that have to do with all the firefighters in wisconsin

[Soul Crusher]

They stole money from taxpayers and used it to fund pols and to gain advantage for their union.  And that definatly goes on all over the place.

[Primemuscle]

LMFAO then wtf have you been bitching about all this time? talking about pay of cooks, custodians and bus drivers then?

goodness gracious

Bitching is your description....all I have done is state what some cooks, custodians and school bus drivers earn in a particular school district in Oregon. If you think those salaries are too high, then I hate to hear what you think is a fair salary for those jobs. My point was these folks are not getting rich off their wages.

[Soul Crusher]

But the average taxpayer is getting poorer and poorer and forced to pay more taxes to keep this charade going.

[tonymctones]

Bitching is your description....all I have done is state what some cooks, custodians and school bus drivers earn in a particular school district in Oregon. If you think those salaries are too high, then I hate to hear what you think is a fair salary for those jobs. My point was these folks are not getting rich off their wages.

I think they are pretty fair for a person who works part time and only 9 months out of the year...

again why do you think a person working part time and/or only for 9 months deserves to get paid the same as ppl who work full time and year round?