Author Topic: Obama's illegal war  (Read 66948 times)

Fury

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 21026
  • All aboard the USS Leverage
Obama's illegal war
« on: March 19, 2011, 08:13:57 AM »
EDITORIAL: Obama’s illegal war
Congress, not the U.N., should authorize force against Libya

By THE WASHINGTON TIMES-The Washington Times7:38 p.m., Friday, March 18, 2011

With Thursday’s passage of United Natons Security Council resolution 1973, the United States is set to go to war against Libya. Removing Moammar Gadhafi from power would probably advance the cause of freedom, but the United Nations has no legal authority to take a step of this magnitude. By bowing to the will of the U.N. Security Council, President Obama is diluting the sovereign power of the United States.

The U.N. resolution authorizes member states to take a number of military and nonmilitary actions to protect the people of Libya from Col. Gadhafi's government. Under its own rules, however, the United Nations cannot legally authorize military action to shape the internal affairs of member states. Article 2 section 7 of the U.N. charter states that, “Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter.” Chapter VII of the charter, which enumerates U.N. intervention powers, applies only to international breaches of the peace. The December 1981 U.N. “Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention and Interference in the Internal Affairs of States” reaffirmed this principle with its solemn declaration that, “No State or group of States has the right to intervene or interfere in any form or for any reason whatsoever in the internal and external affairs of other States.”

Five Security Council member states sat out the vote, including permanent members Russia and China, in addition to Germany, India and Brazil. China in particular objected to any action that would compromise Libya’s sovereignty, but did not veto the resolution. This may have been a political move, since the abstaining countries are now in a position to raise principled objections to whatever happens once force is utilized. To claim the United States forged an international consensus seems premature when Resolution 1973 did not have the support of countries representing 42 percent of the world’s population.

True to its internationalist instincts, the Obama administration would never contemplate an action that lacked U.N. approval, yet United Nations permission alone is inadequate. Sen. Richard Lugar, Indiana Republican, believes that the Congress should debate a declaration of war over intervening in Libya. But the White House has not sought even the type of congressional authorization for the use of force that President George W. Bush did before the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. It would be ironic to say the least if Mr. Obama waged war with less legal backing than his predecessor.

International military action in Libya, even coming this late in the game, will be decisive. Resolution 1973 authorizes “all necessary measures” to “protect civilians,” short of deploying ground troops, which still leaves a variety of potent options for coalition commanders. The stated policy of the United States has been and should remain regime change, but the White House must seek some form of congressional approval before military action is taken against Libya. The president cannot be seen as a mere instrument of the United Nations, which would relegate the U.S. Constitution to second-class status behind the U.N. Charter. If U.S. troops are going to be put in harm’s way, the authority must come from elected representatives in Washington, not from a bunch of international bureaucrats hanging out in Turtle Bay.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/18/obamas-illegal-war/

This isn't really surprising given Obama's admiration of the European model where they've seceded sovereignty to the OIC-dominated UN.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 08:17:37 AM »
So is Obama a war criminal yet?   If Bush was one, surely the far left should be consistent no?   

240 is Back

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 102396
  • Complete website for only $300- www.300website.com
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2011, 12:04:55 AM »
agreed 10000% berz.

If obama was capping baldheaded conservatives with Rush bumper stickers, kadaffi wouldn't be sending libyan soldiers to help us, right?

Dos Equis

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 63723
  • I am. The most interesting man in the world. (Not)
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 01:10:39 AM »
OBAMA:  The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.  http://mobile.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2011/03/18/libya

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 04:41:30 AM »
No blood for oil!

Skip8282

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7004
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 05:36:14 AM »
OBAMA:  The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.  http://mobile.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2011/03/18/libya




Change we can believe in!!

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 05:40:28 AM »
Amazing to see those who trashed Bush for 8 years now defend this.  Over at DU, you have a contingent of kneepadders fighting with people calling them on their double standards to no avail. 

Absolutely amazing. 

And what if this so called "no fly zone" does not work and gaffai retains power? 

In order to save face, we will be forced to put boots on the ground to make up for this blunder.   Geez. 

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 06:07:05 AM »

240 is Back

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 102396
  • Complete website for only $300- www.300website.com
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 06:56:32 AM »
Most true conservatives were against this from the beginning.

only RINOs like mccain, Newt, Pawlenty and a few others jumped on the Kerry-led war bandwagon.

These libs know that the public rallies around the president (initially) during the early phases of war. 

Fury

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 21026
  • All aboard the USS Leverage
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 08:03:57 AM »
agreed 10000% berz.

If obama was capping baldheaded conservatives with Rush bumper stickers, kadaffi wouldn't be sending libyan soldiers to help us, right?

Nope.

This NFZ nonsense doesn't even make sense. Does anyone even know what the end-game is? Does Qaddafi remain in power in their vague plans? What's to stop him from dialing it down and then starving the rebels out or waiting a few months or a year and then finishing the job.

We were played like suckers by the Europeans and Arab League, which speaks wonders about Obama's inexperience.

240 is Back

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 102396
  • Complete website for only $300- www.300website.com
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 08:49:55 AM »
they're going to take over.  Period.   Install another jackass that'll play ball for 20 years before we're invading to kick him out.

We were suckered by warmongers on both sides of aisle.  Newt, hilary.  Mccain, kerry.  This isn't a left/right thing, nor a euro thing.  Warmongers win again.  War = good for busienss.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 09:22:34 AM »
Kucinich is calling for bama's impeachment.   

Go DK! 

SAMSON123

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 8670
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 09:58:34 AM »
Kucinich is calling for bama's impeachment.   

Go DK! 

Just another smoke screen
C

Fury

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 21026
  • All aboard the USS Leverage
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011, 10:46:42 AM »
Just another smoke screen

Illuminatus!  ::)

Muslims are innocent. Muslims can do no wrong. Samson, in conjunction with Sorcha Faal, knows all of the world's secrets!

Dos Equis

  • Moderator
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 63723
  • I am. The most interesting man in the world. (Not)
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2011, 11:16:59 AM »
I disagree with Martian Man, but also disagree with the decision to start another war. 

Dennis Kucinich: Libya Missile Strike An Impeachable Offense
March 20, 2011 08:20 AM EDT

Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) is questioning President Barack Obama's decision to participate in Saturday's missile attack on forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi in Libya.

During a conference call with fellow Democrats yesterday, Kucinich asked if the missile strikes should be considered an impeachable defense.

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation," Dennis Kucinich said in a statement issued on Friday.

Congress was not consulted before yesterday's air strikes, Politico reports.

"It is an act of war," according to Kucinich, who carries a copy of the U.S. Constitution in his coat pocket. "War from the air is still war."

Just a few years ago, the liberal lawmaker was busy leading the movement to impeach former President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in Congress. At the time, critics viewed the impeachment effort as a purely partisan effort. Now we know Dennis Kucinich is willing to take any president to task for engaging in war without Congressional approval, even one from his own party.

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979149868

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2011, 11:35:04 AM »
If this is what it takes to get barry out of office - fine - impachment now.

andreisdaman

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 16720
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2011, 12:27:17 PM »
Kucinich is calling for bama's impeachment.   

Go DK! 


HA!!..keep waiting for that

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2011, 12:29:51 PM »

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2011, 12:38:59 PM »

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2011, 12:40:36 PM »
Go Dennis! ! ! !

Make Peace not war! 

War is not the Answer!   

COEXIST! 


Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2011, 01:04:09 PM »
Senator Barack Obama 12/20/207: “The President does not have power under the Constituti­­­on to unilateral­­­ly authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

http://www­­­.boston.­c­o­m/news­/p­ol­itic­s/2­008­/s­peci­als/­­Candi­date­Q­A/Ob­ama­QA/

The True Adonis

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 50255
  • Fear is proof of a degenerate mind.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2011, 02:09:46 PM »
3333666,

Haven`t I told you that you should vote for Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader about a million times?  They are the best choices in my opinion, along with Mike Gravel.

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2011, 02:15:28 PM »
3333666,

Haven`t I told you that you should vote for Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader about a million times?  They are the best choices in my opinion, along with Mike Gravel.

They are not running for anything.   And I still want to know what obama said to DK on AF1 to get him to vote for ObamaCare. 

Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2011, 02:37:33 PM »
Funny Obama sent greeting to the iranians for some stupid ass holiday no one ever heard of and he didnt say shit about Purim.


________________________ ________________---

The White House Blog
President Obama’s Nowruz Message



President Obama sends an important message to those celebrating the holiday of Nowruz.  At a time of great regional change and renewal, the President this year speaks directly to the Iranian people, in particular the Iranian youth.  “...you – the young people of Iran – carry within you both the ancient greatness of Persian civilization, and the power to forge a country that is responsive to your aspirations. Your talent, your hopes, and your choices will shape the future of Iran, and help light the world.   And though times may seem dark, I want you to know that I am with you,” he says.


Read the President's Message in: Arabic (pdf) | Persian (pdf)

May all those who celebrate Nowruz around the world embrace the power of youth, and have a peaceful and prosperous new year.



Soul Crusher

  • Competitors
  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 39387
  • Doesnt lie about lifting.
Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2011, 02:42:56 PM »



Change we can believe in!!


Obama's Women Advisers Pushed War Against Libya
fox ^ | 3/20/11 | Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation



So three or four of Obama's advisers, all women, wanted war against Libya.   We'd like to think that women in power would somehow be less prowar, but in the Obama administration at least it appears that the bellicosity is worst among Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power. All three are liberal interventionists, and all three seem to believe that when the United States exercises military force it has some profound, moral, life-saving character to it. Far from it.


(Excerpt) Read more at nation.foxnews.com ...