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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2011, 02:47:18 PM »
Funny Obama sent greeting to the iranians for some stupid ass holiday no one ever heard of and he didnt say shit about Purim.


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President Obama sends an important message to those celebrating the holiday of Nowruz.  At a time of great regional change and renewal, the President this year speaks directly to the Iranian people, in particular the Iranian youth.  “...you – the young people of Iran – carry within you both the ancient greatness of Persian civilization, and the power to forge a country that is responsive to your aspirations. Your talent, your hopes, and your choices will shape the future of Iran, and help light the world.   And though times may seem dark, I want you to know that I am with you,” he says.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2011, 02:50:11 PM »
Oh like i care about Bushs' message of Noruz or whatever the fuck that is?   Ha ha ha ha.   


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2011, 02:52:25 PM »
Oh like i care about Bushs' message of Noruz or whatever the fuck that is?   Ha ha ha ha.   


You must of cared about Obama`s message though, considering you posted it. As to why, I have no clue.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2011, 02:55:05 PM »
You must of cared about Obama`s message though, considering you posted it. As to why, I have no clue.

I thought it was interesting in light of the fact that he did not mention Purim and that many more people in this country celebrate that than whatever the fuck Noruz is.   

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2011, 03:00:58 PM »
I thought it was interesting in light of the fact that he did not mention Purim and that many more people in this country celebrate that than whatever the fuck Noruz is.   
Who gives a shit about either? 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2011, 03:05:05 PM »
Who gives a shit about either? 

Obviously Obama does.   :P 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2011, 03:05:42 PM »

Obama's Women Advisers Pushed War Against Libya
fox ^ | 3/20/11 | Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation



So three or four of Obama's advisers, all women, wanted war against Libya.   We'd like to think that women in power would somehow be less prowar, but in the Obama administration at least it appears that the bellicosity is worst among Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and Samantha Power. All three are liberal interventionists, and all three seem to believe that when the United States exercises military force it has some profound, moral, life-saving character to it. Far from it.


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wow...I knew you were racist..but now sexism is added to the list as well.....you never cease to amaze me

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2011, 03:09:27 PM »
wow...I knew you were racist..but now sexism is added to the list as well.....you never cease to amaze me

Well we all know that fat hippo Mobacca runs Obama like a little bitch so this is nothing surprising. 

 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2011, 03:11:48 PM »
Well we all know that fat hippo Mobacca runs Obama like a little bitch so this is nothing surprising. 

 

fat hippo?....she isn't fat at all ..what are you talking about?..have you finally gone NUTS

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2011, 03:17:33 PM »
fat hippo?....she isn't fat at all ..what are you talking about?..have you finally gone NUTS


Pease, look at this beast.  She looks like security for a Tough Man Competition in Philly or Detroit.     

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2011, 03:36:32 PM »
Gaddafi may become target of air strikes, Liam Fox admitsCoalition forces accused of mission creep and disproportionate action against Tripoli

 
Patrick Wintour and Ewen MacAskill guardian.co.uk
Sunday 20 March 2011 21.37 GMT Article history



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/20/coalition-criticism-arab-league-libya


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Critics claim that Gaddafi's departure has become an explicit goal of UN policy. Photograph: Goran Tomasevic/REUTERS
 
America, France and Britain – the leaders of the coalition's air attacks on Libya – were struggling to maintain international support for their actions, as they faced stinging criticism about mission creep from the leader of the Arab League, as well as from China and Russia.

Critics claimed that the coalition of the willing may have been acting disproportionately and had come perilously close to making Gaddafi's departure an explicit goal of UN policy.

Russia, which abstained on the UN vote last week, called for "an end to indiscriminate force".

Despite denials from coalition forces, Alexander Lukashevich, Russia's foreign ministry spokesman, said that the coalition had hit non-military targets.

He suggested that 48 civilians had been killed. "We believe a mandate given by the UN security council resolution – a controversial move in itself – should not be used to achieve goals outside its provisions, which only see measures necessary to protect civilian population," he said.

The Arab League secretary general, Amr Moussa, also startled western governments when he denounced the air attacks only a week after the league had called for creation of a no-fly zone.

Moussa, who is a candidate for the Egyptian presidency, said: "What has happened in Libya differs from the goal of imposing a no-fly zone and what we want is the protection of civilians and not bombing other civilians."

The Foreign Office later said Moussa claimed he had been misquoted, or had put his criticism more strongly in Arabic than in English. "We will continue to work with our Arab partners to enforce the resolution for the good of the Libyan people," the FO said.

The Arab League had, though, been called to an emergency session to discuss the scale of the attacks.

The British defence secretary, Liam Fox, said the scale was in line with UN resolutions that had been "essential in terms of the Gaddafi regime's ability to prosecute attacks on their own people". He also said it was possible that Gaddafi himself could become a target of air attacks if the safety of civilians could be guaranteed.

Ahead of a Commons debate and vote tomorrow, leading figures in David Cameron's cabinet were under pressure to clarify whether the explicit purpose of the attacks was to render Gaddafi's regime so powerless that it collapses.

Speaking on the Politics Show, Fox said: "Mission accomplished would mean the Libyan people free to control their own destiny. This is very clear – the international community wants his regime to end and wants the Libyan people to control for themselves their own country."

He then added: "Regime change is not an objective, but it may come about as a result of what is happening amongst the people of Libya."

He said: "When the dynamic shifts and the equilibrium shifts, we will get a better idea just how much support the Gaddafi regime has and how much the people of Libya genuinely long to be able to control their own country.

"If Colonel Gaddafi went, not every eye would be wet."

Fox said it was possible that allied forces might treat Gaddafi himself as a legitimate target for air strikes.

"There is a difference between someone being a legitimate target and whether we go ahead and target him," he said. "You would have to take into account what would happen to civilians in the area, what might happen in terms of collateral damage. We don't simply with a gung-ho attitude start firing off missiles."

One UK defence source said: "If we are seeking to destroy a military resource and he [Gaddafi] is caught in the process, that will not be our doing."

Fox also made it clear that the allied attacks would extend in the coming days from Gaddafi's air defence systems to his artillery.

Britain has ruled out the use of ground forces, but some of the more hawkish cabinet members such as the chancellor, George Osborne, only said ground forces were "ruled out for the moment".

In the Commons debate Labour will call for an explicit guarantee that British ground troops will not be involved.

But in a boost to the coalition, there were signs that some of the much-trailed practical Arab involvement in the air strikes had finally materialised – after Qatar last night sent four planes to work alongside the French in the second round of attacks designed to set up a no fly zone across Libya.

Britain is hopeful of further input from the United Arab Emirates, following calls by Fox. Arab political support, and military participation is vital to reduce the credibility of Gaddafi's claims that this is a western act of aggression against a Muslim country.

In an effort to reassure Arab opinion, Fox stressed plans to hand some of the co-ordination of the operation to Nato would allow a wider group of participants. But the attacks were under UN auspices.

In the US, the Obama administration was more restrained in its language. Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, appearing on NBC's Meet the Press, insisted the campaign was only a limited, humanitarian operation, not a war, and was not aimed at regime change, as both Cameron and Sarkozy have suggested.

"The goals of this campaign are limited. It is not about seeing him [Gaddafi] go. It is about supporting the UN resolution."

Asked if the mission could be accomplished with Gaddafi still in power, Mullen replied: "This is one outcome."

The Pentagon has been reluctant to become engaged in a third war against a Muslim country in the space of a decade and pressed Barack Obama on the dangers of mission creep.

Carl Levin, the Democratic chairman of the Senate armed services committee, said that Obama had given them assurances on that and the Pentagon was satisfied.

Mullen and other US commanders said that although the US had taken the lead in the first phase, there would be hand-over to the French and British, and the US would take a back seat role, restricted to tasks to which it was uniquely qualified, such as jamming Gaddafi's communications and providing refuelling of planes in the air.

John Kerry, the Democratic chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, echoed Mullen over the mission goals, saying it was not a war. "This operation is not specifically geared to get rid of Gaddafi," he said.

The Republican senator Lindsey Graham, speaking on Fox News Sunday, said he was troubled by Obama's lack of enthusiasm, after the president went ahead with a trip to Latin America.

"I'm very worried that we're taking a back seat rather than a leadership role," Graham said.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2011, 04:02:24 PM »
Samantha Power, Irish-born aide, key to Obama Libya attack policy
IrishCentral.com ^ | March 20, 2011 | JAMES ROBERTS


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America’s decision to support military action against the Ghadaffi regime in Libya was heavily influenced by Samantha Power, the Irish-born National Security Council special advisor to President Obama on human rights.

Power and UN Ambassador Susan Rice were named by The New York Times as the two key figures who convinced first Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and then President Obama to commit to force.

The Times reported that “The change became possible, though, only after Mrs. Clinton joined Samantha Power, a senior aide at the National Security Council, and Susan Rice, Mr. Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations, who had been pressing the case for military action, according to senior administration officials speaking only on condition of anonymity.

“Ms. Power is a former journalist and human rights advocate


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WWWWTTTTFFFFF? ? ?   This crazy bitch is as far to the left as it gets.  This cant be good at all.  




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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2011, 04:28:34 PM »
News Flash - Missiles raining down on Ghadaffi's compound!!!
FOX News ^ | 3-20-2011 | FOX Live




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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2011, 04:40:42 PM »
Power and Rice are two people that need to be removed from duty.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2011, 04:53:00 PM »
Power and Rice are two people that need to be removed from duty.



This whole thing really does not sit well with me.  We are being lied to again.  First it was NFZ, now its already on to bombing his compound.  Something is not right. 

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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2011, 04:55:29 PM »


This whole thing really does not sit well with me.  We are being lied to again.  First it was NFZ, now its already on to bombing his compound.  Something is not right.  

I knew that would happen. It went from a NFZ to forced removal of Qaddafi. Like I asked earlier today, what was the end-game of a NFZ? Keep Qaddafi in power but not let him fight? OK, then they're going to have to hang around for a long time because as soon as they leave he's going to finish the job.

The Euros know they can't leave Qaddafi in power as they'll most likely pay down the road for it. Of course we've been strung along by two arrogants c*nts working in conjunction with the Euros and Arab League.

Everything I've seen about Susan Rice makes her look like one dumb bitch. Power is no better.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2011, 05:02:21 PM »
Do we even know who is going to take ver once gadaffi is gone?

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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2011, 05:09:20 PM »
Do we even know who is going to take ver once gadaffi is gone?

Of course not. Will be another Islamist state. But ask a far-lefty and they'll tell you "someone who loves democracy and is tolerant and accepting of others".  ::)

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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2011, 05:13:22 PM »
Of course not. Will be another Islamist state. But ask a far-lefty and they'll tell you "someone who loves democracy and is tolerant and accepting of others".  ::)


Seeing some of the posts at the DUmpster and at HP I just shook my head.   These deluded leftistsare so taken with obama, its beyond a cult at this point.   

I really dont know what to say anymore the lengths people will go to defend this admn.   

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2011, 05:15:42 PM »

Seeing some of the posts at the DUmpster and at HP I just shook my head.   These deluded leftistsare so taken with obama, its beyond a cult at this point.   

I really dont know what to say anymore the lengths people will go to defend this admn.   

What cracks me up about these interventionist leftists is that the human rights violations in Iraq put those taking place in Libya to shame. So, by their own support for intervention in Libya, they're also justifying intervention in Iraq. They can't even keep their ideologies straight.

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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2011, 05:24:01 PM »
What cracks me up about these interventionist leftists is that the human rights violations in Iraq put those taking place in Libya to shame. So, by their own support for intervention in Libya, they're also justifying intervention in Iraq. They can't even keep their ideologies straight.

As Batchelor was mentioning the other night - in Bahrain they have govt snipers on roof tops taking out unarmed people on sight as fast as they can.  yet these same deluded obamacultists say not a word.   

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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2011, 05:38:09 PM »
As Batchelor was mentioning the other night - in Bahrain they have govt snipers on roof tops taking out unarmed people on sight as fast as they can.  yet these same deluded obamacultists say not a word.   

Same stuff is going on in Yemen, too. I was reading that something like 50 people were killed in a few minutes the other day when some guys opened fire on the protesters.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2011, 06:25:02 PM »
With no debate and no objective, Obama enters a war
Washington Examiner ^ | 3/20/2011 | Timothy P. Carney




At once presumptuous and flippant, President Obama used a Saturday audio recording from Brazil to inform Americans he had authorized a third war -- a war in which America's role is unclear and the stated objectives are muddled.

Setting aside the wisdom of the intervention, Obama's entry into Libya's civil war is troubling on at least five counts. First is the legal and constitutional question. Second is the manner of Obama's announcement. Third is the complete disregard for public opinion and lack of debate. Fourth is the unclear role the United States will play in this coalition. Fifth is the lack of a clear endgame. Compounding all these problems is the lack of trust created by Obama's lazy leadership.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2011, 05:09:16 AM »
Expect troops soon
NY Post ^ | March 20, 2011 | Arthur Herman




With the UN-mandated imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya, President Obama has now thrust us into our third Mideast shooting war. The predecessor he used to criticize for recklessly sending Americans into harm's way in order to impose our values on others -- George W. Bush -- must be feeling slightly vindicated.

Former President Bill Clinton is surely getting a sense of déjà vu, too. More than anyone, he knows the costs and risks of imposing no-fly zones, even on a fourth-rate power like Libya. Given Clinton's experience with no-flys over Bosnia in 1993-5 and over Iraq during the same decade, here's what history shows the American public can expect:

First, this will be largely a US military operation. Don't be fooled by the fact that British and French jets struck first or the administration's claim that the US will be taking a back seat to NATO and the Arab League. Only our Navy and Air Force have the lift and muscle to sustain a campaign of this kind -- and to take up the leadership slack.

This means a US general or admiral should be the person clearly in charge. There must be no split US/NATO command structure of the kind that nearly derailed operations in Bosnia and Kosovo -- and no UN blue berets of the kind that stood by during the Rwanda genocide.

Second, don't be surprised if some "allies" don't stick. The Arab League, the folks who got us into this, have already criticized the Western airstrikes to enforce a no-fly zone they themselves demanded. And the rebels we're helping (like those we protected in Bosnia and Kosovo and today in Afghanistan) have their own agenda -- and with Libya's oil wealth, there's more at stake.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2011, 05:44:50 AM »
White House to CNN: Obama "Ferociously Working" to Prop Up Arab League Libya Support
Sunday, March 20, 2011 | Kristinn




Ed Henry on CNN from Brazil says the White House is telling him that Obama is "ferociously working behind the scenes" to prop up faltering Arab League support for the bombing campaign in Libya.

Henry says Obama specifically called Jordan's King Abdullah.

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Yeah, even they are pissed off obama lied to them.