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« Reply #250 on: March 25, 2011, 08:05:53 AM »

You're an ugly, arrogant american mofo! Your turn mofo?

 Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov (Russian: Станислав Евграфович Петров) (born c. 1939) is a retired lieutenant colonel of the Soviet Air Defence Forces who deviated from standard Soviet protocol by correctly identifying a missile attack warning as a false alarm on September 26, 1983.[1] This decision may have prevented an erroneous retaliatory nuclear attack on the United States and its Western allies.

 

why is it that Russia never contributes anything to world peace...they don't send peacekeepers anywhere...they constantly veto things that the rest of the world wants to do in the security council....
They are no help in Iraq. Iran , the middle east,

no one cares of about Russia or Russian opinion....they are irrelevant in the world..all they have are nuclear weapons and that doesn't scare anyone any more....Russia is impotent and irrelevant...china has more power than Russia
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« Reply #251 on: March 25, 2011, 08:57:07 AM »

why is it that Russia never contributes anything to world peace...they don't send peacekeepers anywhere...they constantly veto things that the rest of the world wants to do in the security council....
They are no help in Iraq. Iran , the middle east,

no one cares of about Russia or Russian opinion....they are irrelevant in the world..all they have are nuclear weapons and that doesn't scare anyone any more....Russia is impotent and irrelevant...china has more power than Russia

 There is Russia and the rest of the world as you put it, I like it!

 Russia is irrelevant in the world? Are you typing it me from Zimbabwe? Can't imagine some monkey would teach me anything. NATO (US, GB, France etc etc) as the military block can do anything to the countries like Libya, no body can't touch Russia. No body!
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« Reply #252 on: March 25, 2011, 09:48:05 AM »

Libya: At least one rebel commander fought American forces in Afghanistan, sent jihadis to Iraq

(PJM) — Shortly after unrest broke out in eastern Libya in mid-February, reports emerged that an “Islamic Emirate” had been declared in the eastern Libyan town of Darnah and that, furthermore, the alleged head of that Emirate, Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi, was a former detainee at the American prison camp in Guantánamo. The reports, which originated from Libyan government sources, were largely ignored or dismissed in the Western media.

Now, however, al-Hasadi has admitted in an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore that he fought against American forces in Afghanistan. (Hat-tip: Thomas Joscelyn at the Weekly Standard.) Al-Hasadi says that he is the person responsible for the defense of Darnah — not the town’s “Emir.” In a previous interview with Canada’s Globe and Mail, he claimed to have a force of about 1,000 men and to have commanded rebel units in battles around the town of Bin Jawad.

“I have never been at Guantánamo,” al-Hasadi explained to Il Sole 24 Ore. “I was captured in 2002 in Peshawar in Pakistan, while I was returning from Afghanistan where I fought against the foreign invasion. I was turned over to the Americans, detained for a few months in Islamabad, then turned over to Libya and released from prison in 2008.”

Al-Hasadi’s account is largely confirmed by investigations conducted by Praveen Swami, the diplomatic editor of the British daily The Telegraph. Swami originally wrote about al-Hasadi’s background in the Afghan jihad in a March 21 column. In response to a query from the present author, Swami was able to obtain confirmation of al-Hasadi’s arrest and transfer to Libya from what he describes as a “senior source” in the Afghan government.

According to a separate UK intelligence source contacted by Swami, al-Hasadi was released by the Libyan government as part of a deal that was struck with the al-Qaeda-affiliated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIGF). The LIGF has long opposed the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi in Libya.

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« Reply #253 on: March 25, 2011, 09:48:33 AM »

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Sri Lankan Muslims beat and stamp on an effigy of U.S. President Barack Obama during a protest rally against the allied forces' air strike in Libya, in Colombo, Sri Lanka, Friday, March 25, 2011. NATO's military staff is drawing up detailed plans to assume full control of the no-fly zone over Libya in coming days, after member nations agreed to take on the operation from a U.S.-led coalition.… Read more »
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« Reply #254 on: March 25, 2011, 09:49:22 AM »

Libya: At least one rebel commander fought American forces in Afghanistan, sent jihadis to Iraq

(PJM) — Shortly after unrest broke out in eastern Libya in mid-February, reports emerged that an “Islamic Emirate” had been declared in the eastern Libyan town of Darnah and that, furthermore, the alleged head of that Emirate, Abdul-Hakim al-Hasadi, was a former detainee at the American prison camp in Guantánamo. The reports, which originated from Libyan government sources, were largely ignored or dismissed in the Western media.

Now, however, al-Hasadi has admitted in an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore that he fought against American forces in Afghanistan. (Hat-tip: Thomas Joscelyn at the Weekly Standard.) Al-Hasadi says that he is the person responsible for the defense of Darnah — not the town’s “Emir.” In a previous interview with Canada’s Globe and Mail, he claimed to have a force of about 1,000 men and to have commanded rebel units in battles around the town of Bin Jawad.

“I have never been at Guantánamo,” al-Hasadi explained to Il Sole 24 Ore. “I was captured in 2002 in Peshawar in Pakistan, while I was returning from Afghanistan where I fought against the foreign invasion. I was turned over to the Americans, detained for a few months in Islamabad, then turned over to Libya and released from prison in 2008.”

Al-Hasadi’s account is largely confirmed by investigations conducted by Praveen Swami, the diplomatic editor of the British daily The Telegraph. Swami originally wrote about al-Hasadi’s background in the Afghan jihad in a March 21 column. In response to a query from the present author, Swami was able to obtain confirmation of al-Hasadi’s arrest and transfer to Libya from what he describes as a “senior source” in the Afghan government.

According to a separate UK intelligence source contacted by Swami, al-Hasadi was released by the Libyan government as part of a deal that was struck with the al-Qaeda-affiliated Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIGF). The LIGF has long opposed the rule of Muammar al-Gaddafi in Libya.

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« Reply #256 on: March 25, 2011, 12:49:41 PM »

US May Supply Gaddafi Rebels With Weapons
SkyNews ^ | March 25, 2011 | Robert Nisbet




Western diplomatic sources have confirmed to Sky News that the US is considering the legality of arming the Libyan rebels.


One of the unintended consequences of United Nations' Resolution 1970 was to starve the rebels of the weapons they would need to take on Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.


It requires all UN members to "immediately take the necessary measures" to prevent the supply or sale of weapons to the Libyan government - with no exemption for anti-Gaddafi forces.


But Sky News now understands the US is looking at a legal framework to allow limited supplies of arms to the rebels, if they can prove they need them to defend themselves from attack.


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« Reply #257 on: March 25, 2011, 01:27:46 PM »

Canadian general to take NATO command of Libya
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TORONTO – A Canadian general will take over command of the NATO mission in Libya.

Canadian Defense Minister Peter MacKay said Friday that Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard has been designated to lead the alliance's military campaign in Libya.

Bouchard is stationed in Naples, Italy, at the Allied Joint Force Command.

Bouchard's recent job was deputy commander of NORAD, reporting to an American general.

"He will be commander of the NATO operations, yet to be fully defined NATO operations," MacKay said.

The international coalition confronting Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has agreed to put NATO in charge of enforcing the no-fly zone. It was still trying to hammer out a deal to relieve U.S. forces of command of all military operations in the country.

U.S. President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates have both said that American command of the operations would last only a few days.
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« Reply #258 on: March 25, 2011, 01:51:38 PM »

I fail to see what difference it makes who in NATO is in command, if US jet or troops are involved. Just another smoke and mirrors side show
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« Reply #259 on: March 25, 2011, 02:08:19 PM »

why is it that Russia never contributes anything to world peace...they don't send peacekeepers anywhere...they constantly veto things that the rest of the world wants to do in the security council....
They are no help in Iraq. Iran , the middle east,

no one cares of about Russia or Russian opinion....they are irrelevant in the world..all they have are nuclear weapons and that doesn't scare anyone any more....Russia is impotent and irrelevant...china has more power than Russia

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« Reply #261 on: March 25, 2011, 06:32:23 PM »

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Sri Lankan Muslims beat and stamp on an effigy of U.S. President Barack Obama during a protest rally against the allied forces' air strike in Libya, in Colombo, Sri Lanka, Friday, March 25, 2011. NATO's military staff is drawing up detailed plans to assume full control of the no-fly zone over Libya in coming days, after member nations agreed to take on the operation from a U.S.-led coalition.… Read more »
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well now you see why Obama has been so low key about this.....those people won't understand....thank you for showing this 3333
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« Reply #262 on: March 25, 2011, 06:35:43 PM »

NATO deal leaves U.S. still commanding Libya strikes

Thu, Mar 24 2011Analysis & OpinionLibya and selective US intervention
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WASHINGTON | Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:32pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A NATO decision to take charge of a no-fly zone over Libya does not include conducting air strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's ground forces, a mission that will remain in U.S. hands until a new command deal is reached, Vice Admiral Bill Gortney said on Friday.

Gortney, chief of the U.S. military's Joint Staff, said the U.N.-backed operation against Gaddafi's forces involved three different missions -- an arms embargo, a no-fly zone and protecting Libyan civilians.

He said the U.S. military initially assumed command of all three missions in order to quickly implement the U.N. resolution authorizing the action. But President Barack Obama and other U.S. officials made it clear the United States would hand off control of the operation as soon as feasible.

The Western alliance already has assumed control of the arms embargo, led by an Italian vice admiral, and has agreed to take over the no-fly zone in coming days, Gortney said. But there is disagreement over the third mission, which includes air strikes to stop Gaddafi from attacking his opponents.

"This mission will remain in U.S. hands until such time as the coalition is ready to assume it," Gortney told a briefing at the Pentagon. "My expectation is that it, too, could fall under NATO. But ... these are decisions and discussions ongoing at the political level and I just would not speculate right now where it will end up."

Gortney said the coalition had fired 16 Tomahawk missiles and flown 153 air sorties in the past 24 hours, 96 of which were attack-related and not exclusively patrolling the no-fly zone.

"Most of these strikes were not pre-planned but rather targets of opportunity, meaning that we responded to threats as they were occurring or that a new target presented itself as vulnerable and important to hit at that time," he said.

The strikes were directed at command and control facilities and Scud missile garrisons around Tripoli as well as air defense systems in the south. They also targeted Libyan tanks preparing to fire on the city of Ajdabiya, he said.

Coalition forces were mainly using precision weapons -- Tomahawk cruise missiles or laser-guided or GPS-guided bombs. Responding to a question, Gortney said he was unaware of any use of depleted uranium munitions in Libya.

Depleted uranium munitions are effective at penetrating armor because of their high density, but they are controversial because they raise long-term health concerns.

Gortney noted reports that Gaddafi was arming civilian volunteers to fight his opponents and said coalition attacks were eroding his ability to exercise command of his forces.

"Gaddafi has virtually no air defense left to him and a diminishing ability to command and sustain his forces on the ground," Gortney said.

"His air force cannot fly. His warships are staying in port. His ammunition stores are being destroyed. Communication towers are being toppled and his command bunkers are being rendered useless."

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« Reply #263 on: March 25, 2011, 07:44:10 PM »

'Al-Qaeda snatched missiles' in Libya
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'Al-Qaeda snatched missiles' in Libya

From correspondents in Paris From: AFP March 26, 2011 1:03PM

AL-QAEDA'S offshoot in North Africa has snatched surface-to-air missiles from an arsenal in Libya during the civil strife there, Chad's President says.

Idriss Deby Itno did not say how many surface-to-air missiles were stolen, but told the African weekly Jeune Afrique that he was "100 per cent sure" of his assertion.

"The Islamists of al-Qaeda took advantage of the pillaging of arsenals in the rebel zone to acquire arms, including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries in Tenere," a desert region of the Sahara that stretches from northeast guy to western Chad, Deby said in the interview.

"This is very serious. AQIM is becoming a genuine army, the best equipped in the region," he said.

His claim was echoed by officials in other countries in the region who said that they were worried that al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) might have acquired "heavy weapons", thanks to the insurrection.


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« Reply #264 on: March 26, 2011, 07:23:08 AM »

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

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Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
 
Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against 'the foreign invasion' in Afghanistan Photo: AFP By Praveen Swami, Nick Squires and Duncan Gardham 5:00PM GMT 25 Mar 2011
In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".

Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters "are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists," but added that the "members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader".

His revelations came even as Idriss Deby Itno, Chad's president, said al-Qaeda had managed to pillage military arsenals in the Libyan rebel zone and acquired arms, "including surface-to-air missiles, which were then smuggled into their sanctuaries".

Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against "the foreign invasion" in Afghanistan, before being "captured in 2002 in Peshwar, in Pakistan". He was later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008.

US and British government sources said Mr al-Hasidi was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, or LIFG, which killed dozens of Libyan troops in guerrilla attacks around Derna and Benghazi in 1995 and 1996.

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Even though the LIFG is not part of the al-Qaeda organisation, the United States military's West Point academy has said the two share an "increasingly co-operative relationship". In 2007, documents captured by allied forces from the town of Sinjar, showed LIFG emmbers made up the second-largest cohort of foreign fighters in Iraq, after Saudi Arabia.

Earlier this month, al-Qaeda issued a call for supporters to back the Libyan rebellion, which it said would lead to the imposition of "the stage of Islam" in the country.

British Islamists have also backed the rebellion, with the former head of the banned al-Muhajiroun proclaiming that the call for "Islam, the Shariah and jihad from Libya" had "shaken the enemies of Islam and the Muslims more than the tsunami that Allah sent against their friends, the Japanese".
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« Reply #265 on: March 26, 2011, 07:33:17 AM »

Military ground operations qualify as occupying Libya - Russia NATO envoy



Any foreign military ground operations in Libya will be considered as occupying the country, Russia's envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin said on Saturday.

"Holding [military] ground operations will be qualified as occupying Libya and that directly contradicts the resolution adopted by the UN Security Council," Rogozin told RIA Novosti.

The UN Security Council imposed a no-fly zone over Libya on March 17, also permitting "all necessary measures" to protect civilians from Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's attacks on rebel-held towns.

The operation to enforce the no-fly zone, codenamed Odyssey Dawn, is being conducted jointly by 13 states, including the United States, Britain and France.

Rogozin said that on March 29, the Russian-NATO Council will meet in order "to confirm the limits that the UN Security Council has placed on the participants of the conflict."

Western warplanes have flown more than 300 sorties over the North African country and fired 162 Tomahawk missiles in the UN-mandated mission. Libyan state media outlets have reported that dozens of people have been killed by the airstrikes.


Any foreign military ground operations in Libya will be considered as occupying the country, Russia's envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin said on Saturday.

"Holding [military] ground operations will be qualified as occupying Libya and that directly contradicts the resolution adopted by the UN Security Council," Rogozin told RIA Novosti.

The UN Security Council imposed a no-fly zone over Libya on March 17, also permitting "all necessary measures" to protect civilians from Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's attacks on rebel-held towns.

The operation to enforce the no-fly zone, codenamed Odyssey Dawn, is being conducted jointly by 13 states, including the United States, Britain and France.

Rogozin said that on March 29, the Russian-NATO Council will meet in order "to confirm the limits that the UN Security Council has placed on the participants of the conflict."

Western warplanes have flown more than 300 sorties over the North African country and fired 162 Tomahawk missiles in the UN-mandated mission. Libyan state media outlets have reported that dozens of people have been killed by the airstrikes.


Any foreign military ground operations in Libya will be considered as occupying the country, Russia's envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin said on Saturday.

"Holding [military] ground operations will be qualified as occupying Libya and that directly contradicts the resolution adopted by the UN Security Council," Rogozin told RIA Novosti.

The UN Security Council imposed a no-fly zone over Libya on March 17, also permitting "all necessary measures" to protect civilians from Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's attacks on rebel-held towns.

The operation to enforce the no-fly zone, codenamed Odyssey Dawn, is being conducted jointly by 13 states, including the United States, Britain and France.

Rogozin said that on March 29, the Russian-NATO Council will meet in order "to confirm the limits that the UN Security Council has placed on the participants of the conflict."

Western warplanes have flown more than 300 sorties over the North African country and fired 162 Tomahawk missiles in the UN-mandated mission. Libyan state media outlets have reported that dozens of people have been killed by the airstrikes.
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« Reply #266 on: March 26, 2011, 07:49:30 AM »

Europe's intervention in Libya
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.WHAT an odd way to run a war. Nearly a week into the allied air operations in Libya, the command structure remains murky. True, the coalition headed by America, France and Britain had to act in haste, and has had to build a command structure on the fly.

So after much intense diplomacy, NATO has agreed to take over the running of the no-fly zone over Libya. Yet the coalition will remain in charge of operations to attack Libyan forces on the ground. “At this moment, there will still be a coalition operation and a NATO operation,” said Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the NATO secretary-general.

This hybrid arrangement may be necessary to hold together those who are more muscular in terms of attacking Libyan forces on the ground, and those who want to stick to patrolling the airspace and waters. But it could prove awkward over time. It is reminiscent of the unhappy command-and-control arrangement that lasted for years in Afghanistan, whereby the NATO-led ISAF mission was responsible for peacekeeping and stabilisation while, alongside it, an American-led coalition ran the counter-terrorist mission, known as Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF).

This was often an uncomfortable arrangement, causing much resentment, as special forces would sometimes hit targets without informing NATO commanders supposedly in charge of a particular area of operations. European commanders complained privately about gung-ho Americans while Americans seethed about spineless Europeans. Eventually the matter was resolved. America boosted its forces and took overall command of ISAF, bringing OEF under a single commander.

The situation may not be as bad in Libya; NATO and the current coalition may be a distinction without a difference. The NATO commander who will be in charge of the no-fly zone, Admiral Samuel Locklear, is the same naval officer who, with an American hat, is already running the coalition’s Operation Odyssey Dawn. Moreover, the British say they expect all aspects of the operation to come under NATO command in the coming days.

The debate about the degree to which NATO controls the operation is odd. For the Americans, bringing NATO in means handing over responsibility to Europeans; for Europeans, NATO means America. France has resisted giving NATO too prominent a role for fear that it will turn off Arab allies; Italy says the NATO label would be an attraction because it would put a straitjacket on the gung-ho French.

While military commanders are accustomed to operating with different NATO and national hats, the politics may not be resolved until one of two things happens: either the coalition stops hitting ground targets to make the operation more palatable to Turkey, or Turkey accepts that bombing tanks and artillery firing on Libyan towns is, in fact, a necessary part of protecting civilians.

This leads back to the uncomfortable questions that have dogged the intervention: what are the aims and limits of the operation? And how long will it go on for? Speaking at a summit of European leaders in Brussels, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France said last night the coalition had stopped a repetition of the Srebrenica massacre in 1995. That alone justifies taking action, but it does not answer how the operation will end.

As matters stand, the coalition has resorted to enough force to stop Colonel Qaddafi from crushing the revolt, but not yet enough to remove him from power. At this intensity, the intervention may well lead to a frozen conflict: think of Iraq under sanctions, no-fly zones and occasional air strikes for 12 years. The trouble with such a prospect is that Colonel Qaddafi could simply outlast the coalition’s will to continue policing Libya; as with Iraq, sanctions have a tendency over time to weaken those imposing them.

Kurt Volker, a former American ambassador to NATO, offers a maximalist interpretation of the UN resolution authorising the use of force to protect Libyan civilians. “The sooner the West adopts a clear position that the UN’s humanitarian goals can only be achieved by Qaddafi’s removal from power, the sooner the crisis can begin to come to an end.”

Nobody is yet prepared to adopt such a position. Indeed, President Sarkozy last night offered a more limited set of objectives. The video of his press conference is here. To sum up, he said the coalition’s job was to protect civilians from the threat of attack. Removing Colonel Qaddafi was a job for Libyans themselves. His condition for ending the attacks was for Libyan forces to withdraw to barracks and to stop besieging Libyan towns, not the departure of the colonel.

He offered a reason for sticking to a fairly narrow interpretation of the resolution: the need to maintain Arab support. As well as a couple of Qatari planes, the UAE has now confirmed it will send 12 jets to help out. Their rules of engagement are unclear. But all this is precious help, politically if not militarily.

In one of his more thoughtful moments, Mr Sarkozy said the prize was not just the fate of the Libyan people, but winning back the trust of Arab people as they seek to free themselves of autocratic rulers. He told Syria and Yemen, among others, that he will maintain the same position: Europeans would stand on the side of peaceful demonstrators against those who fire on their own people.

One can argue that Mr Sarkozy’s formulation does not resolve the underlying worries about a stalemate. If Colonel Qaddafi really stopped resorting to force he would be finished anyway. So one should not expect him to stop entirely, though he might change tactics—for example putting his forces inside towns rather than around them to make it harder to hit them without causing civilian casualties. The French high command is already giving notice that operations could go on for weeks rather than days. It may be much longer.

One hope is that the regime will break up internally. Hillary Clinton has spoken of senior regime figures putting out feelers about possible exile, and Mr Sarkozy publicly encouraged defections, saying those who dissociated themselves from Colonel Qaddafi would have a place in a future Libya. David Cameron, the British prime minister, warned regime loyalists that every day they continued to support Colonel Qaddafi would bring them closer to prosecution for war crimes in the Internatiional Criminal Court. He told them:

Don't obey his orders. Walk away from your tanks. Leave the command-and-control that you are doing. Give up on this regime because it should be over for him and his henchmen.
But given the experience of Iraq, it is hard to put much faith in this outcome; Saddam was only removed by a full-blown invasion.

Can one increase pressure on the colonel to hasten his demise? French officials are speaking of creating large zones of humanitarian protections, defended by the United Nations. Another is to move beyond merely protecting Mr Qaddafi’s opponents to strengthening them: beginning with humanitarian aid, and perhaps increasing the rebels' political profile (France would like the oppostion "national council" in Benghazi to be represented at next week’s conference on Libya in London). Should one train and arm them too? “It is a good question,” says one senior French source, nodding his head.

One problem with this strategy is that there is currently an arms embargo on Libya. A new UN resolution would be needed, and one could expect intense resistance to the notion of the world arming one side of a civil war. The danger is of arming the wrong sort of people—the opposition national council includes prominent former members of Colonel Qaddafi’s regime. Another risk is of a future “blowback” of the sort that took place in Afghanistan, where some of the anti-Soviet Arab fighters that were supported by the West and Saudi Arabia in the 1980s went on to become the core of al-Qaeda.

Mr Sarkozy said the decision to take action in Libya was hard to take. Deciding how to end it may prove even more difficult.



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« Reply #268 on: March 26, 2011, 08:46:43 AM »

Ground Operation In Libya Could Start In April - Russian Intelligence
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The international coalition force is planning a ground operation in Libya that could start in late April, a high-ranking Russian intelligence service source said on Friday, RIA Novosti reported.

"Information coming via different channels shows that NATO countries, with the active participation of Britain and the United States, are developing a plan for a ground operation on Libyan territory," he said.

"From all indications, a ground operation will be launched if the alliance fails to force the Gaddafi regime to capitulate with air strikes and missile attacks."

If the events in Libya follow this scenario, the ground operation could start "in late April-early May," he added.


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Barack Obama to lawmakers: We won't kill Qadhafi
Politico ^ | 3/25/11 | Johnathan Alan/Nate Sherman





President Barack Obama told congressional leaders there are no plans to use the U.S. military to assassinate Libyan strongman Muammar Qadhafi — despite the administration’s policy of seeking regime change in the North African country — according to sources familiar with a Friday White House Situation Room briefing.

“There was a discussion of how we have other ways of regime change,” Maryland Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee told POLITICO. “It’s not our role to do anything at this point from a kinetic point of view. It is our goal for regime change, but we’re not going to do it from a kinetic point of view.”

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Ground Operation In Libya Could Start In April - Russian Intelligence
TREND ^ | March 26, 2011





The international coalition force is planning a ground operation in Libya that could start in late April, a high-ranking Russian intelligence service source said on Friday, RIA Novosti reported.

"Information coming via different channels shows that NATO countries, with the active participation of Britain and the United States, are developing a plan for a ground operation on Libyan territory," he said.

"From all indications, a ground operation will be launched if the alliance fails to force the Gaddafi regime to capitulate with air strikes and missile attacks."

If the events in Libya follow this scenario, the ground operation could start "in late April-early May," he added.


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If you trust anything the Russians say you are truly out of your mind....you are desperate for any negative info you can find 3333
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« Reply #271 on: March 26, 2011, 11:33:59 AM »

As compared to who?  The lying, grifting, thieving, decitful, dishonest, communist, incompetent, stealing, traitor in 1600 Pa Ave. we have now? 

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« Reply #272 on: March 26, 2011, 11:43:55 AM »

so we are arming the terrorist groups we'll be fighting in libya in 2015 or 2020, aren't we?


Kinda easy to see that.  We've done that before in afghanistan.  Not a partisan thing either - presidents from both parties arm rebel groups as it fits their goals - then they set up a war for the next guy to profit from.  President Ryan or President Christie will be fighting another war/skirmish in Libya in 5 or 10 years, and we'll all act surprised!
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« Reply #273 on: March 26, 2011, 11:47:02 AM »

As compared to who?  The lying, grifting, thieving, decitful, dishonest, communist, incompetent, stealing, traitor in 1600 Pa Ave. we have now? 


stealing?HuhHuhHuh....you've truly lost it
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« Reply #274 on: March 26, 2011, 11:54:19 AM »

stealing?HuhHuhHuh....you've truly lost it

Obama is no different to me than looter dude in katrina.



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