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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #275 on: March 27, 2011, 06:22:44 AM »
Obama Joins Forces With al-Qaida – Proving That George Orwell Was Right On The Target
AIPNews.com ^ | March 27, 2011 | John L. Work





 

Orwell - Obama Proves Him Right

George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four introduced and defined Newspeak, a mind-bending lexicon that includes a term worth mulling over today, as the armed forces of the United States wage war in partnership with al Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood against Moammar Ghadafi’s regime in Libya.  The term to which I’m referring – doublethink – can be found in the Merriam-Webster dictionary:


 dou•ble•think (‘d&-b&l-”thi[ng]k), noun, Date: 1949 : a simultaneous belief in two contradictory ideas.




 Doublethink is a dizzying concept. 


In her syndicated column last week, Diana West examined America’s de facto cross-over to the side of them who wish to destroy us and replace our Constitutional system of governance with sharia (Muslim law).  And this changing of sides happened so quickly that if one blinked his eyes, the entire picture of the War was altered in a heartbeat – by a President who engineered the shift to aid our enemies without the slightest  regard (again) for the constraints of the Constitution.  And as Diana West wrote – Congress is “flat-lined.”  Impotent.


 Here’s a story from the UK Telegraph, wherein the leader of the “revolt” in Libya, jihadist Abdel-Hakin al-Hasidi, shared his words of wisdom:


 “In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited “around 25″ men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are “today are on the front lines in Adjabiya”…”


Indeed.  And our Naval aviators are now flying sortees in support of this man’s jihadist army.  But let’s go on, shall we:


“…Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters “are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists,” but added that the “members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader”…”


You see, good Muslims wage jihad against Infidels (that’s us, folks).  Terrorists kill innocent people.  Infidels are not considered to be innocent within the doctrine of Islam.  And the “invaders” to which al-Hasidi alludes are – the Armed Forces of the United States of America.  Wait. There’s more:


“…Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against “the foreign invasion” in Afghanistan, before being “captured in 2002 in Peshwar, in Pakistan”. He was later handed over to the US, and then held in Libya before being released in 2008…”


What the Telegraph isn’t telling you here is that word has it that al-Hasidi was one of the Gitmo detainees who was released from custody as a non-threat.


So, let’s look at this Libyan civil war situation in an Orwellian doublethink context:


1)      Al-Qaida operatives killed nearly 3,000 Americans on Spetember 11, 2001, plunging the United States into this endless war.


2)      Al-Qaida is a first-generation spawn of the Muslim Brotherhood.  The Muslim Brotherhood wants the caliphate restored and sharia imposed throughout the entire world.


3)      America is at war with al-Qaida and “radical Islam”.


4)      Al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood are bad.


5)      Moammar Ghadafi is killing his own citizens to suppress an al-Qaida  revolt.


6)      [Alleged] President Obama says that Moammar Ghadafi must be removed from power.


7)       Al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood are fighting against Ghadafi.


8)      [Alleged] President Obama sends the U.S. armed forces to assist al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood in overthrowing the evil Ghadafi by providing air cover and bombardment with Tomahawk missiles.


9)      Ghadafi is bad.


10)  The United States has joined forces with al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood in the fight against Ghadafi.


11)  Al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood are good.


Are you dizzy yet?  Someone hand me the Ibuprophen.



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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #276 on: March 27, 2011, 06:33:58 AM »
Wow, this is the 1st time in history that the US got in bed with a bad group because it would lead to the defeat of a badder group.

Stop the presses.

Fucked up, but it happens a lot in our history.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #277 on: March 27, 2011, 06:40:30 AM »
so that makes it ok?

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #278 on: March 27, 2011, 06:42:24 AM »
Gates says Libya not 'a vital interest' for US
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | March 27, 2011




WASHINGTON – Defense Secretary Robert Gates says he doesn't think Libya is "a vital interest" for the United States, but he does say the North African nation is part of a region that's of vital American interest.

Gates tells NBC's "Meet the Press" that "we clearly have interests" in Libya, though he doesn't believe it's a vital American interest.

Obama said that when innocent people are being "brutalized" and when a leader such as Gadhafi threatens "a bloodbath that could destabilize an entire region" and when other countries are ready to help save lives, then it's in "our national interest to act."

Gates tells ABC's "This Week" that he doesn't think Libya posed an actual or imminent threat to the U.S. before military operations began last weekend.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #279 on: March 27, 2011, 06:48:13 AM »
so that makes it ok?

I said it's fucked up, didn't I? 

Fucked up

Governments make their decisions based upon utilitarian, not moral viewpoints.

In the libyan case, there are two evils.  Just like in vietnam, just like in afghanistan twice, etc.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #280 on: March 27, 2011, 07:06:58 AM »
High 'O,' high 'O' -- off to war he goes
Last Updated: 3:40 AM, March 27, 2011

Posted: 12:48 AM, March 27, 2011



As the first Tomahawk mis siles rained on Libya, armchair generals rushed to define "The Obama Doctrine." Most assess ments focused on Obama's antiwar statements as a candidate and decisions by past presidents to take military action in Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan.

All fair game -- except the conclusions were flawed. No discussion of Obama's view of a just war is complete unless it examines the impact of his magical thinking.

By that I mean his supreme confidence in his own vision and powers to remake the world. Fueled by a mixture of hubris and faculty-lounge idealism, his words and actions suggest he believes his presidency is exempt from the lessons of history and human nature.

Just as he claimed his election would mark "the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal," his wars defy traditional military doctrine. For example, his approach in Libya, as in Afghanistan, features a promise of timed withdrawal, but not a clear mission. In both he talks of "success" but not "victory," leaving the yardstick vague. The refusal to be precise reflects a belief that his intentions are virtuous, as distinct from his predecessors', and that he should be judged on that basis, not on results. His goal in Libya is so abstract that he refuses to call it a "war." That would make it sound brutal -- and ordinary.

We thus meet the term "kinetic military action" as a White House talking point.

Despite the endless slogs in Iraq and Afghanistan, and despite objections from Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other brass, the president was confident that Libya would be easy in, easy out and that a civil war in an oil-rich tribal nation would be settled in days. After bypassing Congress and the public to cut a deal at the United Nations, we could fire missiles from ships at sea, drop bombs from 40,000 feet and be home in time for dinner.

It would be so surgical, the commander in chief could take his family on a trip to Brazil and points south while the military went into battle. We wouldn't need a single boot on the ground and could hand command to NATO or France or anybody who wanted it.

Meanwhile, after 42 years in power, a brutal and mad Moammar Khadafy would see our righteousness, lay down his weapons and quit his throne.

Presto. That's how a just war should end, and this time it would -- because of Obama.

That, I submit, is the real "Obama Doctrine."

That doctrine is not disturbed by the nagging war-gaming questions of "what if." As in, what if Khadafy refuses to quit? What if he does quit -- what is our plan for Libya? What if Islamists turn it into a safe haven?

Most of Obama's foreign policy is the fruit of the same poisoned tree. The laws of diplomacy were supposed to bend before his transforming breeze. Only they haven't cooperated.

The hot spots are growing, and in exchange for apologies and accommodations, we get more aggression. Not a single new ally has been recruited to our side.

Old friends are dispirited while adversaries such as Iran are emboldened. The "reset" with Russia and the Muslim world turns out to be another word for "retreat."

Despite the era, the challenges for every president are fundamentally similar: Secure America and promote the common good under the laws of the land.

Or, in the words of the presidential oath, "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, so help me God."

It's a remarkably concise and direct pledge, demanding only dedication and integrity and a faith in the Almighty. Luck helps, too.

But belief in the magical powers of History's Great Man? That way yields only discord and disaster.



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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #281 on: March 27, 2011, 07:09:19 AM »
By Byron York
Created Mar 26 2011 - 11:12am



Jihadis who fought U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan now enjoy American support in Libya


Comments (0) .Evidence is emerging that United States forces are waging war in Libya on behalf of rebels whose ranks include jihadis who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq.



Britain's Daily Telegraph reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, a leader of U.S.-supported rebel forces in the fighting around Adjabiya, went to Afghanistan in 2002 to fight against the "foreign invasion" -- that is, U.S. troops who invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for the September 11 attacks.  The Telegraph says al-Hasidi told an Italian newspaper, Il Sole 24 Ore, that he was captured in 2002 in Peshawar, Pakistan.  "He was later handed over to the U.S., and then held in Libya before being released in 2008," the Telegraph reports.  Al-Hasidi also told the Italian paper he recruited about 25 Libyan men to fight against U.S. forces in Iraq.

Al-Hasidi's story is consistent with evidence presented in a 2007 report published by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point.  That report, by professors Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman, examined records of an al Qaeda-affiliated organization found after an October 2007 raid near Sinjar, Iraq.  The records contained biographical information about nearly 700 foreign terrorists who came to Iraq to fight against the United States between August 2006 and August 2007.

Felter and Fishman found that the largest portion of foreign fighters, about 41 percent, came to Iraq from Saudi Arabia.  The second-largest source of foreign fighters, at nearly 19 percent, was Libya. "Libya contributed far more fighters per capita than any other nationality in the Sinjar records, including Saudi Arabia," the authors conclude. Since previous studies had indicated far fewer Libyan fighters in Iraq, the authors suggest there may have been a "surge" of Libyans into Iraq in the spring and summer of 2007.  "The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group's [LIFG] increasingly cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, which culminated in the LIFG official joining al Qaeda on November 3, 2007," the report say.

The Telegraph, citing U.S. and British government sources, reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi was a member of the LIFG.

The Combating Terrorism Center reports says that Darnah, Libya -- al-Hasidi's hometown-- supplied more foreign fighters to Iraq than any other city, including Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a city far larger than Darnah. Benghazi, Libya, now a rebel stronghold, was also a major source of Libyan fighters traveling to Iraq. "Both Darnah and Benghazi have long been associated with Islamic militancy in Libya, in particular for an uprising by Islamist organizations in the mid-1990s," the authors report.  "The Libyan government blamed the uprising on 'infiltrators from the Sudan and Egypt' and one group -- the Libyan Fighting Group -- claimed to have Afghan veterans in its ranks. The Libyan uprisings became extraordinarily violent. [Libyan strongman Moammar] Gadhafi used helicopter gunships in Benghazi, cut telephone, electricity, and water supplies to Darnah and famously claimed that the militants "deserve to die without trial, like dogs."  In the current fighting, Gadhafi has said that the rebels fighting against him are affiliated with al Qaeda, but his claims have found little acceptance.

There is no doubt that the rebels associated with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group are violent extremists.  The Combating Terrorism Center Report found that the Libyans, along with Moroccans, were more likely than others to become suicide bombers once they were in Iraq.  The Sinjar records, plus political developments in the 2007 time period, "suggest that Libyan factions (primarily the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are increasingly important in al Qaeda," the report says.

Now, it is not clear what portion of the Libyan rebels, who enjoy the backing and assistance of the United States military, have been associated with al Qaeda and attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.  That's one reason critics of the Libya war say the U.S.-led coalition doesn't really know who it's fighting for. But we may learn more in the future, especially if the rebels prevail and some former jihadis find themselves running Libya, courtesy of the United States.
.Beltway Confidential

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #282 on: March 27, 2011, 07:11:45 AM »
How Long Will U.S. Forces be Involved in Libya? White House Says Nobody Knows
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Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011 9:55:48 AM by Sub-Driver

How Long Will U.S. Forces be Involved in Libya? White House Says Nobody Knows

March 27, 2011 8:41 AM

The United States has been at war in Afghanistan for almost ten years, at war in Iraq for almost eight years and at war in Libya for nine days.

On “This Week,” ABC News’ Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper asked Secretary of Defense Gates how much longer we might be there.

“Some NATO officials say this could be three months, but people in the Pentagon think it could be far longer than that. Do you think we'll be gone by the end of the year? Will the mission be over by the end of the year?” Tapper asked

“I don't think anybody knows the answer to that,” Gates said.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #283 on: March 27, 2011, 07:44:21 AM »
US officials: Libyan operation could last months (Where's the "anti-war" hypocrites now?)
yahoo ^ | 3/27/2011 | BRADLEY KLAPPER




U.S.-led military action in Libya has bolstered rebels fighting Moammar Gadhafi's forces, but the international operation could continue for months, the Obama administration says.

Ahead of President Barack Obama's national address Monday to explain his decision to act against the Libyan leader, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in appearances on the Sunday talk shows that the intervention had effectively rendered Gadhafi's forces defenseless against air attacks and created the conditions for opposition advances westward.

In interviews taped Saturday, Gates and Clinton also defended the narrowly defined U.N. mandate to prevent atrocities against Libyan civilians and said the U.S. had largely accomplished its goals.

"We have taken out his armor," Gates said, adding that the U.S. soon would relinquish its leading role in enforcing a no-fly zone and striking pro-Gadhafi ground targets intent on violence.

Clinton said "we're beginning to see, because of the good work of the coalition, his troops begin to turn back toward the west — and to see the opposition begin to reclaim the ground they had lost."


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #284 on: March 27, 2011, 08:21:23 AM »
By Byron York
Created Mar 26 2011 - 11:12am



Jihadis who fought U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan now enjoy American support in Libya


Comments (0) .Evidence is emerging that United States forces are waging war in Libya on behalf of rebels whose ranks include jihadis who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq.



Britain's Daily Telegraph reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, a leader of U.S.-supported rebel forces in the fighting around Adjabiya, went to Afghanistan in 2002 to fight against the "foreign invasion" -- that is, U.S. troops who invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for the September 11 attacks.  The Telegraph says al-Hasidi told an Italian newspaper, Il Sole 24 Ore, that he was captured in 2002 in Peshawar, Pakistan.  "He was later handed over to the U.S., and then held in Libya before being released in 2008," the Telegraph reports.  Al-Hasidi also told the Italian paper he recruited about 25 Libyan men to fight against U.S. forces in Iraq.

Al-Hasidi's story is consistent with evidence presented in a 2007 report published by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point.  That report, by professors Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman, examined records of an al Qaeda-affiliated organization found after an October 2007 raid near Sinjar, Iraq.  The records contained biographical information about nearly 700 foreign terrorists who came to Iraq to fight against the United States between August 2006 and August 2007.

Felter and Fishman found that the largest portion of foreign fighters, about 41 percent, came to Iraq from Saudi Arabia.  The second-largest source of foreign fighters, at nearly 19 percent, was Libya. "Libya contributed far more fighters per capita than any other nationality in the Sinjar records, including Saudi Arabia," the authors conclude. Since previous studies had indicated far fewer Libyan fighters in Iraq, the authors suggest there may have been a "surge" of Libyans into Iraq in the spring and summer of 2007.  "The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group's [LIFG] increasingly cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, which culminated in the LIFG official joining al Qaeda on November 3, 2007," the report say.

The Telegraph, citing U.S. and British government sources, reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi was a member of the LIFG.

The Combating Terrorism Center reports says that Darnah, Libya -- al-Hasidi's hometown-- supplied more foreign fighters to Iraq than any other city, including Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a city far larger than Darnah. Benghazi, Libya, now a rebel stronghold, was also a major source of Libyan fighters traveling to Iraq. "Both Darnah and Benghazi have long been associated with Islamic militancy in Libya, in particular for an uprising by Islamist organizations in the mid-1990s," the authors report.  "The Libyan government blamed the uprising on 'infiltrators from the Sudan and Egypt' and one group -- the Libyan Fighting Group -- claimed to have Afghan veterans in its ranks. The Libyan uprisings became extraordinarily violent. [Libyan strongman Moammar] Gadhafi used helicopter gunships in Benghazi, cut telephone, electricity, and water supplies to Darnah and famously claimed that the militants "deserve to die without trial, like dogs."  In the current fighting, Gadhafi has said that the rebels fighting against him are affiliated with al Qaeda, but his claims have found little acceptance.

There is no doubt that the rebels associated with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group are violent extremists.  The Combating Terrorism Center Report found that the Libyans, along with Moroccans, were more likely than others to become suicide bombers once they were in Iraq.  The Sinjar records, plus political developments in the 2007 time period, "suggest that Libyan factions (primarily the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are increasingly important in al Qaeda," the report says.

Now, it is not clear what portion of the Libyan rebels, who enjoy the backing and assistance of the United States military, have been associated with al Qaeda and attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.  That's one reason critics of the Libya war say the U.S.-led coalition doesn't really know who it's fighting for. But we may learn more in the future, especially if the rebels prevail and some former jihadis find themselves running Libya, courtesy of the United States.
.Beltway Confidential

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #285 on: March 27, 2011, 09:04:01 AM »
Wow, this is the 1st time in history that the US got in bed with a bad group because it would lead to the defeat of a badder group.

Stop the presses.

Fucked up, but it happens a lot in our history.

Do you ever shut up? It's pretty nauseating watching you sit here and passively rationalize this operation that puts American lives at risk, wastes American money and also puts us fighting alongside Al Qaeda guys who have probably killed Americans. And for what? To keep this Arab spring going? Great. From one stable country led by a dictator to a complete cluster-fuck of tribes and terrorists all jockeying for power in a major oil-producer.  

I know, I know, you're a libertarian.  ::)

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #286 on: March 27, 2011, 09:22:47 AM »
Even gates said tioday we have no vital national interest there. 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #287 on: March 27, 2011, 09:48:27 AM »
Meet The Press: Hillary Big-Foots Bob Gates
NewsBusters ^ | MARK Finkelstein

Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011

Did the Secretary of Defense need to be defended . . . or jerked back into line? Hillary Clinton apparently thought so.

It was a stunning power play. On Meet The Press this morning, after Defense Secretary Bob Gates conceded that Libya is not a "vital interest" of the United States--but before he could complete his comments--Hillary cut him off. She launched into a minute-and-forty-second monologue seeking to justify US military involvement in Libya.

Gates had to sit and take it . . . and never got to say another word.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #288 on: March 27, 2011, 10:03:53 AM »
Meet The Press: Hillary Big-Foots Bob Gates
NewsBusters ^ | MARK Finkelstein

Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2011

Did the Secretary of Defense need to be defended . . . or jerked back into line? Hillary Clinton apparently thought so.

It was a stunning power play. On Meet The Press this morning, after Defense Secretary Bob Gates conceded that Libya is not a "vital interest" of the United States--but before he could complete his comments--Hillary cut him off. She launched into a minute-and-forty-second monologue seeking to justify US military involvement in Libya.

Gates had to sit and take it . . . and never got to say another word.

View video here.


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Hahaha, just yesterday Obama was saying that Libya is in our national interests. These morons can't even keep their stories aligned.

This war "kinetic military action" couldn't be more disorganized.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #289 on: March 27, 2011, 10:14:25 AM »
You really can't make it up anymore. 

Please anyone tell me how you support this admn any longer? 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #290 on: March 27, 2011, 10:44:21 AM »
your crasping for straws, she just added to what he said  ::)

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #291 on: March 27, 2011, 10:49:42 AM »
No he was telling the truth and she had to try to salvage that wtf moment as it is an admission that we have no interest there.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #292 on: March 27, 2011, 10:50:48 AM »
I don't see the interest myself, but then why the fuck are we there?

Of course I didn't see the interest in Iraq either.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #293 on: March 27, 2011, 11:01:40 AM »
ROBERT GATES: No, I don't think it's a vital interest for the United States, but we clearly have an interest there, and it's a part of a region which is a vital interest for the United StatesGregory clearly addressed his follow-up question to Gates.


GREGORY: I think a lot of people would hear that and say, well that's quite striking.  Not in our vital interest and yet we're committing military resources --

Before Gates could respond, Hillary jumped in.


HILLARY CLINTON: -- but, but then it wouldn't be fair to what Bob just said.

CLINTON:  Did Libya attack us?  No, they did not attack us. Do they have a very critical role in this region, and do they neighbor two countries in this region, you just mentioned one, Egypt and the other one, Tunisia, which cannot afford to be destabilized by conflict on their borders?  Yes.Hillary went on to argue that Libya is in the vital interest of certain European allies and that we were responding to their urgent request to get involved.  She drew the analogy to Afghanistan, where our European allies joined our alliance after 9-11 although it was the United States, and not Europe, that had been attacked.





to logical people she just added to what he said, to the i hate obama people she said something totally different

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #294 on: March 27, 2011, 11:05:44 AM »
Ha ha ha ha - its called cya.  Gates told the truth and the obama junta can't have that.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #295 on: March 27, 2011, 11:12:47 AM »
like i said your the i hate obama people  ;D

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #296 on: March 27, 2011, 11:33:20 AM »
Hil loves this...u don't think they talked through the interview before hand. Anything that shows Obama's admin is a bunch of clowns works in her favor. If it comes back around to her she'll just say she was saying the approved talking point for the white house.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #297 on: March 27, 2011, 01:59:35 PM »
ROBERT GATES: No, I don't think it's a vital interest for the United States, but we clearly have an interest there, and it's a part of a region which is a vital interest for the United StatesGregory clearly addressed his follow-up question to Gates.


GREGORY: I think a lot of people would hear that and say, well that's quite striking.  Not in our vital interest and yet we're committing military resources --

Before Gates could respond, Hillary jumped in.


HILLARY CLINTON: -- but, but then it wouldn't be fair to what Bob just said.

CLINTON:  Did Libya attack us?  No, they did not attack us. Do they have a very critical role in this region, and do they neighbor two countries in this region, you just mentioned one, Egypt and the other one, Tunisia, which cannot afford to be destabilized by conflict on their borders?  Yes.Hillary went on to argue that Libya is in the vital interest of certain European allies and that we were responding to their urgent request to get involved.  She drew the analogy to Afghanistan, where our European allies joined our alliance after 9-11 although it was the United States, and not Europe, that had been attacked.





to logical people she just added to what he said, to the i hate obama people she said something totally different




proving 3333 wrong constantly is getting to be really boring........GOOD JOB! ;)

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #298 on: March 27, 2011, 02:05:15 PM »
Ha ha ha ha ha ha  - talk about kneepadding. 

Hitlery saw the major gaffe of gates and knew she had to damage control since gates gave a devastsating sound bite to those of this who have been calling this a bizzare operation from day one. 

Keep up the kneepadding andre - I laugh my ass off at your sycophantic worship of the communist kenyan traitor obama. 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #299 on: March 27, 2011, 02:12:56 PM »
Ha ha ha ha ha ha  - talk about kneepadding. 

Hitlery saw the major gaffe of gates and knew she had to damage control since gates gave a devastsating sound bite to those of this who have been calling this a bizzare operation from day one. 

Keep up the kneepadding andre - I laugh my ass off at your sycophantic worship of the communist kenyan traitor obama. 

not sycophantic...I just tell the truth..I have said the things I am critical of with Obama....in what way do you agree with Obama?..tell us...