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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #475 on: April 18, 2011, 09:14:00 AM »

The best part is that I have the Team Dildo morons attacking me on other threads who refuse to even remotely address these issues.     

Of course. They're pathetic hypocrites who avoid threads they know they stand no chance of personally insulting their way out of.

They'd rather obsess over the latest Palin tweet.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #476 on: April 18, 2011, 09:18:38 AM »
I read a story about 5 US Soldiers dying in Afghanistan this weekend to a supposed afghani police fficer we traned and that this is a growing problem.   Any word on this from the MSM or Team Dildo?


NO   

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #477 on: April 18, 2011, 01:14:42 PM »
This whole affair is one gigantic fiasco. It's embarrassing for this entire country and really shows just how out of his league 240's God-King is.

Gotta agree actually... It's really unbelievable... Obama is either not as smart as I thought he was, or he is obviously giving in to some cronies on his cabinet.

Either way, this shit is bad.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #478 on: April 18, 2011, 01:21:35 PM »
OBAMA:  The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.  http://mobile.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2011/03/18/libya

He does, if he is a 'Republican'.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #479 on: April 18, 2011, 01:23:59 PM »
Oh great, the manic depressive is back. What European country are you hiding in now?

He does, if he is a 'Republican'.

Obama = democrat.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #480 on: April 18, 2011, 01:26:46 PM »
He does, if he is a 'Republican'.

He does if he is president. 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #481 on: April 18, 2011, 01:28:52 PM »
Oh great, the manic depressive is back. What European country are you hiding in now?

I see you have not lost your inabilty to actually talk about real issues.

My point was simply that foreign policy has been the same for years, calling president X a hypocrite and Y something else is pointless because they are all hypocrites in this regard.

These boards are a farce for that reason; right wingers support anything a right wing president does and left wingers do the exact same thing.

You know well enough btw, that we generally only get involved if there are natural resources available, though there have been exceptions.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #482 on: April 18, 2011, 01:30:56 PM »
If these boards are a farce then why do you insist of popping in here every few months to drop your prophetic knowledge on us?

Career students pursuing their umpteenth degree shouldn't thumb their nose at anyone.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #483 on: April 18, 2011, 01:31:16 PM »
Bama told me this was to prevent genocide.  Did he lie us into war like GWB?  

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #484 on: April 18, 2011, 01:32:54 PM »
Bama told me this was to prevent genocide.  Did he lie us into war like GWB?  

He said something like "if we had waited even one more day then a massacre of cataclysmic proportions would have befallen the people of Benghazi." Now all evidence points to the God-King being a lying snake.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #485 on: April 18, 2011, 01:33:43 PM »
If these boards are a farce then why do you insist of popping in here every few months to drop your prophetic knowledge on us?

Career students pursuing their umpteenth degree shouldn't thumb their nose at anyone.



So, you can't address anything I mentioned in the previous post? All I see are the usual ad hominems BF.

There is nothing prophetic about anything I say, it's quite obvious that there is little tangible difference between the parties and that both are beholden to corporate interests; foreign policy is always the same.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #486 on: April 18, 2011, 01:36:06 PM »
Bama told me this was to prevent genocide.  Did he lie us into war like GWB? 

Yes.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #487 on: April 18, 2011, 01:39:16 PM »
So, you can't address anything I mentioned in the previous post? All I see are the usual ad hominems BF.

There is nothing prophetic about anything I say, it's quite obvious that there is little tangible difference between the parties and that both are beholden to corporate interests; foreign policy is always the same.

I didn't bother reading your post. I caught the part about a farce as I skimmed over it and that was it. You've been a broken record for years now. Just like this post of yours, which I stopped reading after the first sentence. 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #488 on: April 18, 2011, 01:44:15 PM »
I didn't bother reading your post. I caught the part about a farce as I skimmed over it and that was it. You've been a broken record for years now. Just like this post of yours, which I stopped reading after the first sentence.  

We have a lot of broken records on this board; I dare say 90% of us are broken records, you certainly included, so there is nothing special about being a broken record in this regard.

You disqualify yourself by not even reading what I write with your only response being ad hominems, I could respond in turn with such  language, but that doesn't solve anything.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #489 on: April 19, 2011, 05:21:42 AM »
Have U.S. and NATO Given Up on Libya Mess?
Townhall.com ^ | April 19, 2011 | Byron York





While Washington has been consumed by the battle of the budget, the people running the real war in Libya seem to have given up hope of using American and NATO firepower to drive Moammar Gadhafi from power.

"There is no military solution to this conflict," NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said recently. "We need a political solution, and it's up to the Libyan people to come up with one."

"There will not be a military solution to the problem," said French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe.

"We will not see a military solution in Libya," said German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle.

All agree, as does President Obama, that there is no good future for Libya without Gadhafi's departure. Yet it appears Gadhafi's chances of hanging on to power have improved markedly since NATO took over military operations from the U.S.-led Operation Odyssey Dawn. Under NATO's Operation Unified Protector, Gadhafi has turned a situation in which the end of his rule seemed imminent into one in which he might well remain in control of at least part of Libya.

At the moment, Operation Unified Protector is anything but unified. Britain and France, with American support, are doing most of the work of enforcing the no-fly zone and attacking ground targets. Some NATO members, like the Netherlands, will not participate in missions to hit targets on the ground. Others, like Italy, won't let pilots fire on anything. And still others, like Germany, Poland and Turkey, have refused to take part at all. As far as the much-ballyhooed participation of Qatar and the United Arab Emirates is concerned -- well, it has been mostly symbolic. With such a fragmented coalition, NATO foreign ministers who met last week in Berlin are desperate to convey an image of unity. "All of us agree: We have a responsibility to protect Libyan civilians against a brutal dictator," Rasmussen told the meeting. But when a reporter asked a simple question -- "How are you going to achieve the aim of getting rid of Gadhafi?" -- Rasmussen had virtually nothing to say. And when another reporter asked whether the secretary general could convince any other NATO countries to take a more active role in the operation, Rasmussen could only respond, "Well, I don't have specific pledges or promises from this meeting, but I heard indications that give me hope."

Meanwhile, much of the Obama administration appears to have tiptoed away from the Libya adventure. Obama has not uttered the word "Libya" in quite a while (although he did mention it in an April 7 written statement marking the anniversary of the massacre in Rwanda). The Pentagon stopped holding press briefings specifically on the Libyan operation once command was transferred to NATO. And now there is confusion about what American forces are actually doing in the skies over Libya.

When NATO took charge, the United States said it was pulling out of attack missions. "We will not be taking an active part in strike activities," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told Congress on March 31. But recently there were reports that American planes have in fact struck ground targets, mainly Libyan air defenses. The Pentagon later confirmed those reports; it turns out that U.S. planes have hit Libyan air defenses three times since April 4. But military officials insist the attacks have not been "strikes." "We do not characterize those as 'strikes,' because (air-defense suppression) is considered a defensive, (not) offensive, mission," a Pentagon spokesman told the American Forces Press Service.

The only administration official saying much about Libya is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who recently cited "disturbing reports" that Gadhafi's forces continue their attacks on civilians and have cut off water, food and power to the Libyan city of Misurata. The United States "condemns" Gadhafi's attacks, Clinton said, and is "gathering information about Gadhafi's actions that may constitute violations of international humanitarian or human-rights law." In other words, having virtually abandoned military force, the Obama administration might someday take Gadhafi to court.

When the war began last month, Americans were divided on whether U.S. troops should attack Libya. But it's safe to say that the vast majority of Americans wanted U.S. forces, once in action, to succeed. Allowing Gadhafi to withstand American attack and remain defiantly in power while the NATO powers dicker among themselves is not success. No wonder many people were skeptical when commander in chief Obama ordered U.S. forces into a new action for the first time.



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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #490 on: April 19, 2011, 06:50:09 AM »
Libya rebels raise concern about Islamic extremism
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Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:52:41 AM by DTA

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AJDABIYA, Libya (AP) — Abdel-Moneim Mokhtar was ambushed and killed by Moammar Gadhafi's troops last week on a dusty road in eastern Libya — the end of a journey that saw him fight as a jihadi in Afghanistan and then return home where he died alongside NATO-backed rebels trying to oust the longtime authoritarian leader.

In describing Mokhtar's death on Friday, Gadhafi's government said he was a member of al-Qaida — part of an ongoing attempt to link the rebels to Osama bin Laden's group. Four years ago, al-Qaida said it had allied itself with the Libyan Islamic Fighters Group — of which Mokhtar was a top military commander.

Two days before he was killed, Mokhtar denied any connection between his group and al-Qaida, telling The Associated Press in an interview: "We only fought to free Libya."

"We realized that Gadhafi is a killer and imprisoned people, so we had to fight him," said Mokhtar, one of a handful of rebel battalion commanders who led more than 150 rebels in eastern Libya.

The question of Islamic fundamentalists among the rebels is one of the murkier issues for Western nations who are aiding the anti-Gadhafi forces with airstrikes and must decide how deeply to get involved in the fight. Some countries, including the U.S., have been wary — partly out of concern over possible extremists among the rebels.

NATO's top commander, U.S. Navy Adm. James Stavridis, told Congress last month that officials had seen "flickers" of possible al-Qaida and Hezbollah involvement with rebel forces. But he said there was no evidence of significant numbers within the opposition leadership.

Spokesman Mustafa Gheriani of the opposition council in Benghazi said any extremists among the fighters are exceptions and that ensuring democracy is the only way to combat them.

Mokhtar, 41, of the northwestern town of Sabratha, arrived in Afghanistan at age 20 in 1990 when the mujahedeen were fighting the puppet regime installed by the Soviets before they withdrew after a decade-long war.

He fought for three years in the fields and mountains of Khost and Kandahar provinces under Jalaluddin Haqqani — a prominent commander who was backed by the U.S. during the Soviet war but has now become one of its fiercest enemies in Afghanistan.

At least 500 Libyans went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, according to The Jamestown Foundation, a U.S.-based think tank, but Mokhtar said there aren't many fighting with the rebels now. Many like Mokhtar who returned home were arrested or killed by Gadhafi when they announced the creation of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group in the mid-1990s to challenge his rule.

Mokhtar became one of the LIFG's top three military commanders, said Anes Sharif, another member of the group who has known him for almost two decades.

Mokhtar was in charge in southern Libya and planned several assassination attempts on Gadhafi, including one in 1996 when a militant threw a grenade at the ruler near the southern desert town of Brak that failed to explode, Sharif said.

"Abdel-Moneim was the man who organized, prepared and mastered all those kinds of operations," said Sharif, who is from the northeastern town of Darna, which has been a hotbed of Islamist activity.

The LIFG also waged attacks against Gadhafi's security forces. But the Libyan leader cracked down on the group, especially in Darna and what is now the rebel-held capital of Benghazi.

"The worst fight was against Gadhafi in the 1990s," Mokhtar said. "If he captured us, he would not only torture us but our families as well."

The response forced many members of the group, including Mokhtar, to flee abroad, Sharif said. Mokhtar left in the late 1990s and only returned after the current uprising began, Sharif said.

"We don't have many experienced commanders in the battlefield. That's why I'm out here," said Mokhtar, his full black beard peppered with gray as he stood outside Ajdabiya surrounded by rebel pickup trucks bristling with rocket launchers and heavy machine guns.

Al-Qaida announced in 2007 that it had allied with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and the group was put on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations. Both Mokhtar and Sharif denied the connection, saying it was never endorsed by the group's leadership.

The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group publicly renounced violence in 2009 following about three years of negotiations with Libyan authorities — including with Gadhafi's son, Seif al-Islam. In a statement at the time, the group insisted it had "no link to the al-Qaida organization in the past and has none now."

The Libyan government released more than 100 members of the LIFG in recent years as part of the negotiations. Sharif said the group changed its name to the Libyan Islamic Movement for Change before the current uprising.

British authorities believe the LIFG has stood by its pledge of nonviolence, and has no ties to al-Qaida — though acknowledge that other Libyans command senior positions in the terror group's hierarchy, including Abu Yahia al-Libi, al-Qaida's Afghanistan commander.

"They clearly are still committed to an Islamist world view, but don't subscribe to terrorist tactics any more," said Ghaffar Hussain, who works on deradicalization projects for the Quilliam Foundation, a British anti-extremism think tank.

"Some former Libyan Islamic Fighting Group figures have decided to join the rebels, mainly because they remain opposed to Gadhafi's regime — but there is no sign of them reforming as a jihadist organization," he said.

However, Hussain said there was clear evidence that al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) — the al-Qaida offshoot which U.S. officials believe poses the most immediate terror threat to America — was trying to join the fighting against Gadhafi's forces.

"The rebels are being very careful to keep a distance from al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, knowing the damage that any associated with them would do to their cause," Hussain said.

Since the uprising began in February, Gadhafi has played up fears that the rebels include fighters from al-Qaida, but no evidence has surfaced to support the accusations.

Libyan government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim told reporters Sunday night that Mokhtar "has been an al-Qaida member since the '80s," although he offered no evidence. He called him by his tribal name, al-Madhouni, and said he "fought in many countries, including Afghanistan, Yemen, Algeria and Libya" and was wanted by "international authorities."

A U.S. intelligence official said that Mokhtar has been involved in extremist activities in Afghanistan and Libya since the 1990s. He may not have been in lockstep with al-Qaida at the time of his death, but he's been "a fellow traveler in the past," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss matters of intelligence.

The official concluded that it's too early to know whether Mokhtar and other members of his group have abandoned their previous extremist tendencies.

Mokhtar said in the interview that he, Sharif and other members of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group still have the same passion to oust Gadhafi, but added they no longer aspire to set up an Islamic state.

Instead, they say their goal is the same as the rebels' National Transitional Council: a democratic government that respects human rights and the rule of law.

"We are here only to fight for freedom, and that is our only goal," Mokhtar said.

"We want a free Libya and a government for all Libyans — a government that doesn't distinguish between Muslims and non-Muslims, that is run by a constitution and respects Islam," he added.

Sharif, who was part of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group's political division and has been working with the rebels as well, said years of experience have convinced them that most Libyans don't want to live under a strict Islamic regime. But he did believe that politicians with conservative Islamic views will attract the most support in Libya.

"The West needs to understand that there is a difference between Islamic culture and radicalization," Sharif said.

Another area of concern for the West has been the relatively high number of Libyans who have gone to fight against U.S.-led forces in Iraq. One study done by the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in 2008 found that Libyans represented the second largest group of foreign fighters and ranked first per capita.

Sharif said a small number of radical Islamists do exist in Libya, but he said the best way to deal with them is to get rid of Gadhafi, whose repressive policies have exacerbated extremism in the country.

"In an environment where everybody is respected and is allowed to carry out their religion without fear of being tortured, arrested or killed, there is no extremism," said Sharif.

He also said that the rebels are committed to keeping foreign fighters out of Libya — a sentiment echoed by others on the battlefield.

"The rebels are determined not to allow al-Qaida or any other non-Libyans to have a base here," Sharif said. "We don't want the country to be a battlefield for other groups to finish their wars. We don't want to see Libya as another Iraq or Afghanistan."

Associated Press writers Danica Kirka in London and Kimberly Dozier

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #491 on: April 19, 2011, 09:02:52 AM »
If these boards are a farce then why do you insist of popping in here every few months to drop your prophetic knowledge on us?

Career students pursuing their umpteenth degree shouldn't thumb their nose at anyone.



what exactly is your education smart guy???

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #492 on: April 19, 2011, 11:27:30 AM »
NATO Says It Cannot Stop Shelling Of Libyan City
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 19 April 2011 | Karin Laub & Maggie Michael





TRIPOLI, Libya – NATO military commanders conceded Tuesday they are unable to stop Moammar Gadhafi's shelling of the rebel-held city of Misrata, where hospitals are overwhelmed with casualties, while Britain said it will dispatch senior military officers to advise the opposition.

Misrata, Libya's third-largest city, has been under siege for nearly two months, with rebels holding on to seaside positions in the port area. In recent days, Libyan troops have pounded the city with shells and rockets.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #493 on: April 19, 2011, 11:28:29 AM »
 ;D

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #494 on: April 19, 2011, 01:59:14 PM »
;D

gee, why don't you just suck the terrorist off already?  lol

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #495 on: April 19, 2011, 03:09:23 PM »
gee, why don't you just suck the terrorist off already?  lol

You seem upset now that all your lies and fictitious claims are coming down on both your and your God-King's head.  ::)

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #496 on: April 19, 2011, 06:40:32 PM »
nah, i see the rebels as al-q trash, and kadaffi as terrorist trash that attacked us too.


him applying 'winning' to that dirtbag is disgusting.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #497 on: April 19, 2011, 06:55:07 PM »
Ha ha ha ha.  Sad isn't it? 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #498 on: April 19, 2011, 08:21:55 PM »
Ha ha ha ha.  Sad isn't it? 

the sad part is you siding with a Dictator over the U.S. government

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #499 on: April 19, 2011, 08:29:19 PM »
Ha ha ha ha.  Sad isn't it? 

maybe it's possible they're BOTH bags of shit - rebels and al-q - and arming the rebels allows us to see both sides' numbers thinning.

I don't see why you have to choose to suck a big dick or a small dick, when you can just turn down the dick, ya know?