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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #500 on: April 20, 2011, 03:08:09 AM »
I would vote for gadaffi over bama in 2012 if given the choice.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #501 on: April 20, 2011, 08:25:35 AM »
I would vote for gadaffi over bama in 2012 if given the choice.

you'd vote for Hitler too apparently

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #502 on: April 20, 2011, 11:55:10 AM »
Libya rebels will receive $25 million from U.S.
The Washington Times ^ | 4-20-2011 | Eli Lake





Dismissing concerns over possible links between Libyan rebels and al Qaeda, the Obama administration has notified Congress it is providing $25 million in nonlethal aid to the rebels’ effort to drive Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s regime from power.


“The president’s proposed actions would provide urgently needed nonlethal assistance to support efforts to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack in Libya,” said Joseph E. Macmanus, acting assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, in an April 15 letter. A copy of the letter, sent to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was obtained by The Washington Times.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #503 on: April 20, 2011, 12:02:35 PM »
Libya rebels will receive $25 million from U.S.
The Washington Times ^ | 4-20-2011 | Eli Lake





Dismissing concerns over possible links between Libyan rebels and al Qaeda, the Obama administration has notified Congress it is providing $25 million in nonlethal aid to the rebels’ effort to drive Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s regime from power.


“The president’s proposed actions would provide urgently needed nonlethal assistance to support efforts to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas under threat of attack in Libya,” said Joseph E. Macmanus, acting assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs, in an April 15 letter. A copy of the letter, sent to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was obtained by The Washington Times.


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Geez ::) And how exactly are we going to make sure the money is used for non-lethal purposes?
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #504 on: April 20, 2011, 02:15:16 PM »
April 20, 2011
War in Libya Could Drag On, Military Analysts Say
By STEVEN ERLANGER
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PARIS — France and Italy said on Wednesday that they would join Britain in sending some liaison officers to support the rebel army in
Libya, in what military analysts said was a sign that there will be no quick and easy end to the war in Libya.

The dispatching of the liaison officers — probably fewer than 40 of them, and carefully not designated as military trainers — is a sign also, they said, that only a combination of military pressure from the sky, economic pressure on the regime and a better-organized and coordinated rebel force will finally convince Colonel Muammar el-Qaddafi that he has no option but to quit.

“Some countries thought the Libya operation could be over quickly,” said a senior NATO ambassador. “But no military commander thinks so.

Sending advisers to Libya is the latest in a series of signs of trouble for the NATO campaign, which began in earnest with a stinging, American-led attack but has seemed to fizzle since operational command was transferred to NATO on March 31. After that, a rebel offensive was smashed by Qaddafi forces, who sent the rebels reeeling toward the eastern city of Ajdabiya.

New tactics by the Qaddafi forces of mixing with civilian populations, camouflaging weapons and driving pickup trucks instead of military vehicles have made it hard for NATO pilots to find targets. At the same time, loyalist artillery and tanks have hammered the rebel-held city of Misurata, reportedly with illegal cluster bombs, making a mockery of NATO’s central mission of protecting civilians.

But as much as the new Qaddafi tactics, divisions within NATO seem to be harming the strategy, said Robin Niblett, the director of Chatham House, the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London. Only six of the 28 member countries are participating in the air strikes, and France and Britain are doing half of them while Denmark, Norway, Belgium and Canada are doing the rest.

Prominent nations like Italy and Spain are hanging back, and others have sent planes only to support the no-fly zone, or are helping enforce the arms embargo. The Obama administration, which has ruled out deploying American troops in Libya, announced on Wednesday that it would authorize as much as $25 million in military surplus supplies, though not weapons, to the Libyan opposition forces.

“You want to send Qaddafi a message of collective will, that there’s no way out, that he’s facing a determined and unified opposition,” he said. “And he’s seeing a European-led NATO that is not sufficiently cohesive.”

“If I were him, I would look at European disagreements and take heart from them, especially when the opposition appears so weak,” Mr. Niblett said. Colonel Qaddafi “senses there is a gap between means and ends,” he added. “He can look at divisions among members of NATO and feel he can be part of a political solution, because in the end he may feel there is not sufficient cohesion to follow the strategy through to its end,” which is his ouster.

To convince Colonel Qaddafi and his sons to leave, he added, “we need both the political and military track, and we have bits of the military and a fractured political situation, and we’re not giving the strategy the best shot.”

To some extent, the problems in NATO can be traced to changes since the end of the cold war. With the fading of the Soviet threat and its expansion to global missions outside of Europe, NATO has become less an alliance than a coalition of like-minded nations, analysts say.

“As soon as NATO went out of area it stopped being an alliance,” said François Heisbourg, a defense expert at the Foundation for Strategic Research in Paris. “In area, it is an unlimited liability partnership. But now with a global scope, everything must be negotiated, and it’s all a la carte. That’s the post-cold-war world.”

Mr. Valasek compared NATO to an American political party, “a coalition of countries with broadly the same interests, but with different views.” It was inevitable after the cold war, he said, that NATO countries would focus on different threats: terrorism and Afghanistan for some, like Washington, London, Canada and the Netherlands; Russia, for the central Europeans. “As for the rest,” he said, “I don’t even know why they stay in NATO.”

NATO will never be what it was, Mr. Valasek said. “NATO will become more of a transactional place in the future, so as in Libya, more often than not there will be coalitions of the willing, with NATO support.”

NATO officials reject the criticism, saying the alliance has done a good job in a short time and that the air campaign is working well.

“There is no question about the collective will in NATO to implement the U.N. resolution in Libya,” said Oana Lungescu, the alliance spokeswoman, pointing out that in the three weeks since NATO took over command of the operation on March 31, “we are steadily degrading Qaddafi’s ability to carry out and sustain attacks on his own people and gradually squeezing the regime’s forces.”

But just about everyone agrees “that there can’t be a military solution to the crisis as such,” Ms. Lungescu said. “This mission keeps up the pressure for a credible political solution.”

A senior NATO ambassador asked for patience. “In the end the balance will shift, it has to,” he said. “Qaddafi gets no more arms, no more tanks, no more ammo, and he gets weaker and over time the others get stronger. And at some point someone around Qaddafi decides to have a political way out.”

While Colonel Qaddafi’s foreign minister, Moussa Koussa, defected to Britain three weeks ago — where he was treated leniently, as an encouragement to others around the colonel to change sides — there have been no prominent defections since.

The current political debate, the senior NATO ambassador said, is not about whether the Libya war will end in negotiations, but the nature and context of the talks. Some countries would like to begin negotiations with Colonel Qaddafi before he leaves power, with the clear aim that he must leave. But others, particularly the rebels, say that negotiations can begin only after the colonel and his sons are safely out of the country.

For now, Mr. Valasek said, the problem is that both Colonel Qaddafi and the NATO-supported opposition think time is on their side. “It may take everyone longer to realize that this is as far as military force takes us. But unless we want a divided Libya, we need to sit down and negotiate.”

Steven Lee Myers contributed reporting from Washington.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #505 on: April 20, 2011, 06:25:16 PM »
The NYT is calling it a war now? Obama's going to have a talking to with their editors for that blunder.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #506 on: April 20, 2011, 06:28:10 PM »
Al-Qaeda Spokesman Says Jihadists Fighting Alongside Libyan Rebels, Have Formed Islamic Councils in Numerous Cities

(American Thinker) — The American media are reluctant to report what the French media have made clear: Al-Qaida has established a beachhead in Libya and fully intends to install Sharia law once government forces are overcome.

An April 19th article in the prominent French daily, Le Figaro, does not shy from chronicling the obvious. It highlights an interview that Al Qaida spokesman Saleh Abi Mohammad gave to the Saudi journal Al-Hayyat, which is published in London.

According to Abi Mohammad, Al Qaida is fighting alongside the Libyan rebels in numerous cities and, in the town of Dernah, has already formed with its allies an Islamic Council, “pour gouverner la ville en vertu de la sharia.”

When asked whether Al-Qaida welcomed foreign intervention, Abi Mohammad answered, (my translation), “It is always preferable to die like a martyr than to ask the help of the crusaders.” He believes that the rebels could have prevailed without assistance, and he does not consider foreign help as “positive.”

The French author of the article accurately sums up the Al Qaida message as “rather disturbing, one that we err in underestimating.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/alqaida_confirms_involvement_i.html



So Al Qaeda isn't even hiding the fact that they're active on the ground in Libya (you'd have to be a retard to think otherwise, but that's beside the point) and yet instead of pulling out we're giving these people $25 million. I love this logic.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #507 on: April 20, 2011, 06:30:22 PM »
So bama really can be called "osama" now for good reason correct? 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #508 on: April 20, 2011, 06:32:49 PM »
So bama really can be called "osama" now for good reason correct? 

He's done more to bring about the rise of islamic extremism in 2 months than OBL has done in the last 20 years. AQ has been working to topple these countries for years and Obama just handed them Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and so on.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #509 on: April 20, 2011, 06:34:11 PM »
But but but but - bush, koch brothers, palin! 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #510 on: April 20, 2011, 06:35:10 PM »
But but but but - bush, koch brothers, palin! 

Koch brothers = devil
George Soros = saint

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #511 on: April 21, 2011, 07:14:06 AM »
He's done more to bring about the rise of islamic extremism in 2 months than OBL has done in the last 20 years. AQ has been working to topple these countries for years and Obama just handed them Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and so on.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #512 on: April 21, 2011, 11:03:07 AM »
He's done more to bring about the rise of islamic extremism in 2 months than OBL has done in the last 20 years. AQ has been working to topple these countries for years and Obama just handed them Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and so on.

will your hyperbole never cease???..the arabs started their own revolution..not Obama

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #513 on: April 21, 2011, 11:07:09 AM »
will your hyperbole never cease???..the arabs started their own revolution..not Obama
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #514 on: April 21, 2011, 01:37:57 PM »
Obama has OK'd use of drones in Libya, Gates says
April 21st, 2011
03:41 PM ET


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/21/obama-has-okd-use-of-drones-in-libya-gates-says



 
 U.S. President Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday.

Gates told CNN the unmanned Predators would allow for "some precision capability" against the forces of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and will offer a "modest contribution" to NATO efforts to support Libyan rebels.

NATO, meanwhile, has signaled it may ramp up air strikes on Gadhafi's regime. NATO issued a new warning to Libyan civilians to stay away from military areas - foreshadowing plans for attacks on targets seen as strategically significant in stopping the government's attacks against civilians, according to a NATO military official.

Libyan rebels had recently complained that NATO was not being aggressive enough to protect civilians from Gadhafi's forces.

Planes and missiles from a coalition including the United States, the United Kingdom and France began attacking Libyan air-defense targets March 19 in part to establish a no-fly zone. It was authorized by a U.N. Security Council resolution, which approved military action –short of occupation - to prevent Gadhafi's forces from attacking civilians and cities.

The intervention came after a Libyan uprising, which began in mid-February after clashes between government forces and protesters. Opposition forces are seeking the ouster of Gadhafi, who has ruled for nearly 42 years.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #515 on: April 21, 2011, 02:02:13 PM »
Obama has OK'd use of drones in Libya, Gates says
April 21st, 2011
03:41 PM ET


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/21/obama-has-okd-use-of-drones-in-libya-gates-says



 
 U.S. President Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday.

Gates told CNN the unmanned Predators would allow for "some precision capability" against the forces of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and will offer a "modest contribution" to NATO efforts to support Libyan rebels.

NATO, meanwhile, has signaled it may ramp up air strikes on Gadhafi's regime. NATO issued a new warning to Libyan civilians to stay away from military areas - foreshadowing plans for attacks on targets seen as strategically significant in stopping the government's attacks against civilians, according to a NATO military official.

Libyan rebels had recently complained that NATO was not being aggressive enough to protect civilians from Gadhafi's forces.

Planes and missiles from a coalition including the United States, the United Kingdom and France began attacking Libyan air-defense targets March 19 in part to establish a no-fly zone. It was authorized by a U.N. Security Council resolution, which approved military action –short of occupation - to prevent Gadhafi's forces from attacking civilians and cities.

The intervention came after a Libyan uprising, which began in mid-February after clashes between government forces and protesters. Opposition forces are seeking the ouster of Gadhafi, who has ruled for nearly 42 years.



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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #516 on: April 21, 2011, 04:51:24 PM »
Obama has OK'd use of drones in Libya, Gates says
April 21st, 2011
03:41 PM ET


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/21/obama-has-okd-use-of-drones-in-libya-gates-says



 
 U.S. President Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday.

Gates told CNN the unmanned Predators would allow for "some precision capability" against the forces of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and will offer a "modest contribution" to NATO efforts to support Libyan rebels.

NATO, meanwhile, has signaled it may ramp up air strikes on Gadhafi's regime. NATO issued a new warning to Libyan civilians to stay away from military areas - foreshadowing plans for attacks on targets seen as strategically significant in stopping the government's attacks against civilians, according to a NATO military official.

Libyan rebels had recently complained that NATO was not being aggressive enough to protect civilians from Gadhafi's forces.

Planes and missiles from a coalition including the United States, the United Kingdom and France began attacking Libyan air-defense targets March 19 in part to establish a no-fly zone. It was authorized by a U.N. Security Council resolution, which approved military action –short of occupation - to prevent Gadhafi's forces from attacking civilians and cities.

The intervention came after a Libyan uprising, which began in mid-February after clashes between government forces and protesters. Opposition forces are seeking the ouster of Gadhafi, who has ruled for nearly 42 years.


I see NATO's mandate has gone from "prevent a massacre" to "offensive drone attacks and regime change".

Cue that fucktard "andreisadouche" to sing his Messiah's praises while said Messiah lies right to his face.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #517 on: April 21, 2011, 06:37:13 PM »
I see NATO's mandate has gone from "prevent a massacre" to "offensive drone attacks and regime change".

Cue that fucktard "andreisadouche" to sing his Messiah's praises while said Messiah lies right to his face.


if American boots go on the ground then it will be considered a lie..other than that, he is well within his rights....cut the nonsense will you???

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #518 on: April 21, 2011, 06:44:42 PM »
Ha ha ha ha - batchelor already saying these drone attacks are deperate and a sign of panic.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #519 on: April 21, 2011, 06:45:12 PM »

if American boots go on the ground then it will be considered a lie..other than that, he is well within his rights....cut the nonsense will you???

Well within his rights to do what? I guess you don't know how PGM's work, but somebody has to mark targets, and I can guarantee you it isn't the incompetent rebels that are doing it. The 1st Armored Division may not be in Libya, but SF has been there since the air campaign began.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #520 on: April 21, 2011, 07:16:29 PM »

if American boots go on the ground then it will be considered a lie..other than that, he is well within his rights....cut the nonsense will you???

You're quickly becoming the biggest joke on this forum.

The NATO mandate does not legalize a ground invasion. Good luck getting ground troops past Congress even with your claim that he's "within his rights".

Bush 2.0 yet inferior at the same time. Bad combination.  

The only good that will come of this is Samantha Power's clout and her idiotic "R2P" theory are going straight into the toilet. Serves that dumb bitch right.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #521 on: April 22, 2011, 05:23:37 AM »
Are We Losing In Libya?
IBD Editorials ^ | April 21, 2011 | Staff




Military: When the U.S. goes to war, it must always be with crystal-clear objectives, plus an ironclad commitment to winning. In Libya, our objectives are muddled while our resolution is in doubt.

When the Pentagon brass and Defense Secretary Robert Gates let President Obama know they opposed his Libyan adventure in multilateralism, Obama sweetened the idea for them by promising that U.S. involvement would be limited.

That says it all, because as a disquieting analysis last Monday by Los Angeles Times reporters David Cloud and Ned Parker put it, "If the alliance's most powerful member isn't willing to escalate, few other members will be eager to do so."

Indeed, prominent members of the British and French governments have publicly opposed what they fear will be a Vietnam-style escalation; France's foreign and defense ministers both made strong statements against deploying ground forces.

Americans, too, are ambivalent about going it alone. A recent IBD/TIPP Poll shows they think it was important to get U.N. approval for action in Libya (see chart).

So what to do now, with Moammar Gadhafi so uncooperative about losing a war with America?

As in eras gone by, the U.S. is expected to lead; the Euro dawdlers just aren't going to fill any responsibility vacuums we leave for them.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #522 on: April 22, 2011, 01:07:51 PM »
DHS Can’t Account for 10 Libyan Men It Caught and Released Inside U.S.
CNS News ^ | 4/22/11 | Penny Starr





(CNSNews.com) - Even as President Barack Obama continued the U.S. military intervention in Libya’s civil war--with armed Predator drones beginning patrols over that North African country on Thursday--U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the division of the Department of Homeland Security responsible for enforcing immigration laws, could not account for 10 Libyan men it had caught and released inside the United States since July 2009.

After two weeks of inquiries about the Libyans from CNSNews.com, ICE finally responded on Thursday afternoon that it had already released to CNSNews.com all the information that was “available” on these Libyans and that the agency had “nothing more to add on the matter.”

ICE describes itself as “the principal investigative arm of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and the second largest investigative agency in the federal government.” It says its “primary mission is to promote homeland security and public safety through the criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws governing border control, customs, trade, and immigration.”


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #523 on: April 23, 2011, 07:23:53 AM »
US confirms first Predator strike in Libya
 Source: BBC


The US military has confirmed the first strike by an unmanned Predator drone aircraft in Libya.

The Pentagon did not provide details of the target, but said that it occurred in the early afternoon local time.

Drones can hit military targets more easily in urban areas, minimising the risk of civilian casualties.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13176645 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #524 on: April 23, 2011, 08:33:01 AM »


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