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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #600 on: April 26, 2011, 05:26:24 PM »
an article?  so when some NYT d-bag talks about it, you'll buy into it?

Your grasping at straws now, face it, the whole operation is a cluster fuck. The rebels aren't going to win because they are incompetent at best, and killing Gadhafi ain't so easy. So how long do we keep at it? When all is said and done we will have another ME country that the US will have to foot the bill to rebuild.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #601 on: April 26, 2011, 05:36:02 PM »
Your grasping at straws now, face it, the whole operation is a cluster fuck. The rebels aren't going to win because they are incompetent at best, and killing Gadhafi ain't so easy. So how long do we keep at it? When all is said and done we will have another ME country that the US will have to foot the bill to rebuild.

The funniest part of this whole thing is that you barely even hear about this WAR in the MSM. When Bush invades a Muslim country = impeach and try for war crimes and when Obama does it = nary a peep from the hypocrites on the left.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #602 on: April 26, 2011, 05:42:20 PM »
The funniest part of this whole thing is that you barely even hear about this WAR in the MSM. When Bush invades a Muslim country = impeach and try for war crimes and when Obama does it = nary a peep from the hypocrites on the left.

It's because of the narrative floated out there of protecting civilians, but then ignore the shit going on is Syria. Kinda shoots that argument all to hell doesn't it. If Obama is the most brilliant POTUS we have ever had, why the fuck does everybody and their brother have to make excuses and cover for him? Oh thats right, we are all to stupid to understand the nuances of his decision making ::)
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #603 on: April 26, 2011, 05:44:59 PM »
It's because of the narrative floated out there of protecting civilians, but then ignore the shit going on is Syria. Kinda shoots that argument all to hell doesn't it. If Obama is the most brilliant POTUS we have ever had, why the fuck does everybody and their brother have to make excuses and cover for him? Oh thats right, we are all to stupid to understand the nuances of his decision making ::)

Rest assured, Syria is going to be punished. For example, it was confirmed today that they're all but guaranteed a spot on the UN Human Rights council when the vote happens in a few months as there's no one to run against them. I'm going to start a thread with the article in a hot minute.

Talk about punishment! They'll only be dictating human rights for the world now. Let the USA/Israel bashing that is the sole purpose of the HRC commence again!

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #604 on: April 26, 2011, 05:52:52 PM »
Did you guys see my article on saudi arabia and obama? 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #605 on: April 26, 2011, 05:54:34 PM »
Did you guys see my article on saudi arabia and obama? 

I did. Remember Batchelor talking about that 2 months ago?

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #606 on: April 26, 2011, 09:06:08 PM »
I'll ask again seeing as you've yet to provide a single modicum of evidence to support this "brilliant" strategy; can you substantiate this conspiracy theory of yours?  ::)

I'm hoping you're kind enough to swallow for Obama. No one likes a woman that lets spunk spill out of her mouth and onto the sheets.

I know....you do this to me all the time and I hate it :D

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #607 on: April 27, 2011, 11:08:49 AM »
Gadhafi's Five-Front War
Townhall.com ^ | April 27, 2011 | Austin Bay




For almost seven weeks, Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi's loyalists and mercenary soldiers have besieged the city of Misrata. Rebel fighters and Misrata's citizenry have suffered brutal assault after assault, but with the aid of NATO and coalition air power, they have denied Gadhafi's regime a key military and political goal: complete control of western Libya's coastal cities and towns.

Reports began to circulate on April 25 that Gadhafi's forces, after a bloody fight in a key neighborhood, had retreated to the outskirts of Misrata. The city, however, remains surrounded.

Gadhafi hasn't quit the battle, and the truth is, he can't afford to quit. Located about 130 miles east of Tripoli on the road to Sirte, Misrata is an island of rebel resistance lying deep within territory Gadhafi's regime must secure if it is to survive politically.

That's because Gadhafi is now fighting a war to retain control of western Libya, also known as Tripolitania. Libyans understand the importance of Misrata. Agence France-Presse quoted Col. Ahmed Omar Bani, a spokesman for the Libyan rebel Transitional National Council, as saying: "Misrata is the key to Tripoli. If he (Gadhafi) lets go of Misrata, he will let go of Tripoli. He is not crazy enough to do that."

For a little over two millennia, the classical Roman provincial designations of Tripolitania and Cyrenaica have lingered as popular names for Libya's western and eastern regions. Numerous commentators have suggested that Libya's civil war will stalemate and end with a 21st century resurrection of Tripolitania and Cyrenaica. Gadhafi would retain a rump state in the west, and the rebels would make Benghazi the capital of a New Cyrenaica.

However, the revolt against Gadhafi pits oppressed outsiders against privileged regime insiders. Misrata demonstrates that the war isn't a matter of east-west geography and a neat two-way division. So does continued resistance in the Nafusa Mountains south and west of Gadhafi's stronghold of Tripoli.

The Nafusa range is a desert escarpment and a predominantly ethnic Berber region. With a few exceptions, for four decades the Berbers have received short economic and cultural shrift from Gadhafi.

Early on, Gadhafi understood the Berbers presented a geographic threat and ethnic challenge. Regime forces began attacking the Berbers in late February. In mid-April, Berber rebels seized the Libya-Tunisia border crossing between Wazin, Libya, and Dehiba, Tunisia. This opened a supply line to Tunisia. NATO aircraft are now providing air support to the Berbers. Gadhafi's attempts to secure his southern desert flank, by bribes, harassment and outright attack, have been stymied.

In March, Gadhafi suppressed uprisings in the western cities of Zuwara and Zawiya (near the coast, between Tripoli and the Tunisian border). However, opposition simmers in the region.

Stalemate? Possibly, but go back to the map -- Gadhafi faces war on four fronts. To the east, the Cyrenaica front. To the south, the Berbers. Misrata, though surrounded, hasn't cracked. The western front (Zuwara) may be quiet, but the area requires a garrison that Gadhafi might otherwise use elsewhere.

The dictator also faces a fifth front -- what might be called a 21st century fifth column, to use the Spanish Civil War term. The London Times quoted British Defense Secretary Liam Fox as saying: "All parts of command and control are legitimate targets so long as they are attacking civilians." On April 25, an air attack hit Gadhafi's headquarters. The coalition targeted a building, but in a dictatorship, the tyrant exercises supreme control.

The coalition will soon be operating Predators. The drones represent a tiny increase in strike and reconnaissance capability. As political and psychological warfare, however, they add punch.

Last week, Gadhafi was tooling around Tripoli in a convertible and shaking his fist. Now he must cast a wary eye to the sky.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #608 on: April 27, 2011, 12:53:57 PM »

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #609 on: April 27, 2011, 04:17:11 PM »
British Defense Secretary Says Ground Troops in Libya a Possibility

(Telegraph) — Britain “may have to look at” deploying ground troops in the Libya campaign in order to establish safe havens for civilians, Liam Fox has said.

Fears of a humanitarian crisis have grown as food imports into Libya’s rebel-held east have been hit while the National Transitional Council struggles to establish lines of credit and foreign traders fear they will not be paid.

Dr Fox, the defence secretary, was asked if soldiers would be needed for humanitarian purposes or to protect safe havens in Libya or its borders and if this would require a new United Nations mandate.

In response to the question by Jeffrey Donaldson, the DUP MP, Dr Fox accepted that it was “something we may have to look at”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8478432/Libya-Liam-Fox-under-pressure-over-deploying-troops-to-Libya.html



In other news, NATO just killed 12 Libyan rebels in a bombing. Hahahaha!

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #610 on: April 27, 2011, 04:22:31 PM »
Was just a matter of time, the humanitarian crisis cited yet again.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #611 on: April 27, 2011, 04:33:45 PM »
Was just a matter of time, the humanitarian crisis cited yet again.

Yup.

Bomb Gadhafi's compound = killing communications so his troops can't rally for a "massacre".
Put troops on the ground to win the war kinetic action = again prevent a massacre.

What's next?  ::)

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #612 on: April 27, 2011, 05:10:47 PM »
Yup.

Bomb Gadhafi's compound = killing communications so his troops can't rally for a "massacre".
Put troops on the ground to win the war kinetic action = again prevent a massacre.

What's next?  ::)

I guess the civilians in Libya are more important than those in Syria or Darfur, or maybe they just didn't pitch their tent on land with oil under it.
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #613 on: April 27, 2011, 05:14:10 PM »
I guess the civilians in Libya are more important than those in Syria or Darfur, or maybe they just didn't pitch their tent on land with oil under it.

More civilians have died in Syria this week alone than have died in Libya since the beginning of this civil war. Funny, though. The best the pussy of a God-King can muster is some talk about sanctions.

As for Darfur, remember that genocide was a foreign Arab Muslim-perpetrated massacre of hundreds of thousands of native black Sudanese and, given that Muslims get a free pass to kill at will, it's not surprising it went ignored.  ::)

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #614 on: April 27, 2011, 05:17:20 PM »
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden: Gaddafi Was Actually a Good Partner Against al-Qaeda

NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland (AFP) — The former chief of the CIA on Tuesday praised Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi’s past cooperation and said his downfall could complicate US interests in the short term.

Retired general Michael Hayden, who led the Central Intelligence Agency from 2006 to 2009 under president George W. Bush, said that restive Syria also helped US intelligence but only in selective areas.

Speaking at a conference of the Marine Corps University, Hayden said the CIA had worked well with Kadhafi and Mussa Kussa, the foreign minister who defected last month as Libyan forces moved against rebels.

“Whatever you think of Kadhafi and Mussa Kussa . . . they were good and they were good counter-terrorism partners,” Hayden told the conference near Washington.

Hayden said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was “pretty good” at fighting Sunni Muslim militants but supported Shiite radicals. Assad belongs to the Alawite sect, a Shiite offshoot despised by Sunni extremists such as Al-Qaeda.

“In both cases, you have real near-term turbulence that could — that will — make the closer fight in the immediate time-frame much more difficult,” Hayden said.

Kadhafi, a longtime international pariah due to the 1988 Lockerbie bombing and other attacks blamed on Libyan spies, started to reconcile with the United States in 2003 and found common interests in fighting Al-Qaeda.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hI5s6mw6nLWcIu9QkvMaylslcz9g?docId=CNG.17e3806625fad53ce9d38b16c2d5c8a2.d41



So we went from working with a reformed terrorist who was turning over Al Qaeda to arming, training, funding and fighting alongside them. The logic that only the God-King understands strikes again!  ::)

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #615 on: April 27, 2011, 05:19:32 PM »
Former CIA Director Michael Hayden: Gaddafi Was Actually a Good Partner Against al-Qaeda

NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland (AFP) — The former chief of the CIA on Tuesday praised Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi’s past cooperation and said his downfall could complicate US interests in the short term.

Retired general Michael Hayden, who led the Central Intelligence Agency from 2006 to 2009 under president George W. Bush, said that restive Syria also helped US intelligence but only in selective areas.

Speaking at a conference of the Marine Corps University, Hayden said the CIA had worked well with Kadhafi and Mussa Kussa, the foreign minister who defected last month as Libyan forces moved against rebels.

“Whatever you think of Kadhafi and Mussa Kussa . . . they were good and they were good counter-terrorism partners,” Hayden told the conference near Washington.

Hayden said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was “pretty good” at fighting Sunni Muslim militants but supported Shiite radicals. Assad belongs to the Alawite sect, a Shiite offshoot despised by Sunni extremists such as Al-Qaeda.

“In both cases, you have real near-term turbulence that could — that will — make the closer fight in the immediate time-frame much more difficult,” Hayden said.

Kadhafi, a longtime international pariah due to the 1988 Lockerbie bombing and other attacks blamed on Libyan spies, started to reconcile with the United States in 2003 and found common interests in fighting Al-Qaeda.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hI5s6mw6nLWcIu9QkvMaylslcz9g?docId=CNG.17e3806625fad53ce9d38b16c2d5c8a2.d41



So we went from working with a reformed terrorist who was turning over Al Qaeda to arming, training, funding and fighting alongside them. The logic that only the God-King understands strikes again!  ::)

It would seem most of the ME dictators would be against AQ since they want to over throw all of them
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #616 on: April 27, 2011, 09:21:46 PM »
So we went from working with a reformed terrorist who was turning over Al Qaeda to arming, training, funding and fighting alongside them. The logic that only the God-King understands strikes again!  ::)

Mccain loves the rebels.  They are his heroes.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #617 on: April 27, 2011, 10:04:20 PM »
More civilians have died in Syria this week alone than have died in Libya since the beginning of this civil war. Funny, though. The best the pussy of a God-King can muster is some talk about sanctions.

As for Darfur, remember that genocide was a foreign Arab Muslim-perpetrated massacre of hundreds of thousands of native black Sudanese and, given that Muslims get a free pass to kill at will, it's not surprising it went ignored.  ::)


you know..underneath all the stupid BS you do have some points...but it gets lost in the anti-Obama rhetoric

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #618 on: April 29, 2011, 12:58:48 PM »
Libya: pro-Gaddafi forces cross into Tunisia
The Telegraph ^ | 4/29/2011 | Unattributed




Pro-Gaddafi forces fired shells into the town of Dehiba, damaging buildings and injuring at least one resident, and a group of them drove into the town in a truck, local people and a Reuters photographer in the town said.

The Libyan government troops were pursuing anti-Gaddafi rebels from the restive Western Mountains region of Libya who fled into Tunisia in the past few days after Gaddafi forces overran the border post the rebels had earlier seized.

"There were lots of clashes in the town this morning. Lots of gunshots. The Tunisian military clashed with Gaddafi's forces ... Some of Gaddafi's people were killed," said Reuters photographer Zoubeir Souissi from the town.

"There are a lot of Gaddafi's people who were injured. They are in the hospital in Dehiba," he said.

Two residents also told Reuters that shells had fallen on the town from pro-Gaddafi positions across the border in Libya.


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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #619 on: April 29, 2011, 01:01:44 PM »
Going well for the Rebels ::)
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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #620 on: April 29, 2011, 03:40:38 PM »
Going well for the Rebels ::)

didn't go too well at first for the minutemen in the revolutionary war either.....yet we  were able to win eventually

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #621 on: April 29, 2011, 04:12:49 PM »
didn't go too well at first for the minutemen in the revolutionary war either.....yet we  were able to win eventually

You really take the piss for being the most uninformed douche bag on this board. Go ahead and keep comparing these Libyan rebels to the people who fought in the revolutionary war. You're just embarrassing yourself...not that this is new to you given that you're fast approaching Samson/Blacken laughing stock territory.

You truly are pathetically embarrassing. Give it a rest.

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #622 on: April 29, 2011, 08:53:33 PM »
It's because of the narrative floated out there of protecting civilians, but then ignore the shit going on is Syria. Kinda shoots that argument all to hell doesn't it. If Obama is the most brilliant POTUS we have ever had, why the fuck does everybody and their brother have to make excuses and cover for him? Oh thats right, we are all to stupid to understand the nuances of his decision making ::)

YES BASICALLY

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #623 on: April 29, 2011, 08:56:58 PM »
Lmfao.   Bama is the dumbest hack ever to hold office and you think said stupidity is 15th dimensional chess.   Ha ha ha ha. 

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Re: Obama's illegal war
« Reply #624 on: April 29, 2011, 08:57:42 PM »
More civilians have died in Syria this week alone than have died in Libya since the beginning of this civil war. Funny, though. The best the pussy of a God-King can muster is some talk about sanctions.

As for Darfur, remember that genocide was a foreign Arab Muslim-perpetrated massacre of hundreds of thousands of native black Sudanese and, given that Muslims get a free pass to kill at will, it's not surprising it went ignored.  ::)

you know..instead of just bashing Obama why don't you say EXACTLY what you want him to do?.....you guys don't do that because then you would actually have to leave the peanut gallery and take a stand..and if Obama does what you say then you lose the ability to criticize him

so okay genius...answer me EXACTLY what Obama should do.....don't talk about anything else until you answer my question..what exactly should Obama do in terms of Syria, Darfur, etc?