Lol the weight classes system in MMA is a FRAUD

[Bam-bam]

Tell me with a straight face how can this afrcian american fella, who is just plain towering over Andrei Arlovski in this pic, fight at LHW??? Its is simply unfair to say the last, the brother should just man up and fight the dogs of his size at the heavies...

[ryanm5593]

  "towering!" LOL. He's only a couple of inches taller. The black guy has no legs, that is the weight difference.

[polychronopolous]

Tell me with a straight face how can this afrcian american fella, who is just plain towering over Andrei Arlovski in this pic, fight at LHW??? Its is simply unfair to say the last, the brother should just man up and fight the dogs of his size at the heavies...

Because he weighs 205 lbs.

[Bam-bam]

Because he weighs 205 lbs.

no he doesnt, he walks around at the high 220s or even 230s. Lets see your boy make weight in the day of the fight, oh wait he cant!

And what about Antonio Silva cuting 30+ fucking pounds to fight Fedor? This bullshit must stop, otherwise whats the point in making weight **classess** if everyone is cheating on it???

[polychronopolous]

no he doesnt, he walks around at the high 220s or even 230s. Lets see your boy make weight in the day of the fight, oh wait he cant!

And what about Antonio Silva cuting 30+ fucking pounds to fight Fedor? This bullshit must stop, otherwise whats the point in making weight **classess** if everyone is cheating on it???

What he "walks around at" is irrelevant...the only thing that matters is the weight when he steps on the scales the day before the fight.

He could take a cab to Coney Island and bury Joey Chestnut and Kobashi in a hot dog eating contest directly after; come in the next day at 245 and EVEN then it would be irrelevant, legally sanctioned, and totally above the table.

And what about Antonio Silva cutting 30lbs to fight Fedor? He MADE the weight the day before the fight, that is all that matters.

Now if you are talking about creating a Cruiserweight division for the lighter current heavys or a Superheavyweight division for the bigger fellas then that is a whole other discussion in itself.

[Benny B]

no he doesnt, he walks around at the high 220s or even 230s. Lets see your boy make weight in the day of the fight, oh wait he cant!

And what about Antonio Silva cuting 30+ fucking pounds to fight Fedor? This bullshit must stop, otherwise whats the point in making weight **classess** if everyone is cheating on it???

How are they "cheating", you dumb bastard?  You do realize that athletes in all sports that have weight classes cut weight just for the weigh-in, don't you?

[Bam-bam]

ok why make weight in a DIFFERENT day that the fight is happening? the answer is: to give fighters chance to fraud it. hell, make the weight ins one week before fight day, wont change a damn, fighters will still be weighting 30lbs more than the class limit at fight time, lol, what a joke.

whats next, you gonna tell me that olympic lifters dont juice because they are tested?? lol, is all just one big fucking fraud. The whole system is built in suck way to incentive you to cheat and cheat more than than your competitor, plain and simple.

[dustin]

Man, you're really fucking stupid.

[Bam-bam]

Man, you're really fucking stupid.

answer me, fucktard, whats the purpose of the weight classes?

and doesnt a fighter outweighting the other by more than 30 pounds (almost the difference bewteen the LW and HW barriers) totally defy that purpose??

[polychronopolous]

ok why make weight in a DIFFERENT day that the fight is happening? the answer is: to give fighters chance to fraud it. hell, make the weight ins one week before fight day, wont change a damn, fighters will still be weighting 30lbs more than the class limit at fight time, lol, what a joke.

whats next, you gonna tell me that olympic lifters dont juice because they are tested?? lol, is all just one big fucking fraud.

Do you really think this is a new concept? Weigh ins a day before the fight have been happening for OVER A HUNDRED YEARS!

Nobody was bitching when Manny Pacquiao weighed in 3 lbs under the contracted limit and a day later was 15 lbs less than Antonio Margartio...this shit works both ways sometimes.

The only time I have an issue with it is when a guy like Floyd Mayweather Jr. KNOWINGLY steps onto the scale weighing 4 or 5 lbs heavier than the agreed weight and the fight STILL goes on with Floyd obviously having a massive advantage against a lighter fighter like Juan Manuel Marquez.

Btw...Did you just start watching professional fighting about a month ago? I feel like I am explaining a "first down" to a housewife or something.

[Bam-bam]

Do you really think this is a new concept? Weigh ins a day before the fight have been happening for OVER A HUNDRED YEARS!

Nobody was bitching when Manny Pacquiao weighed in 3 lbs under the contracted limit and a day later was 15 lbs less than Antonio Margartio...this shit works both ways sometimes.

The only time I have an issue with it is when a guy like Floyd Mayweather Jr. KNOWINGLY steps onto the scale weighing 4 or 5 lbs heavier than the agreed weight and the fight STILL goes on with Floyd obviously having a massive advantage against a lighter fighter like Juan Manuel Marquez.

no I dont think its a new concept, but since you are puting this light on it, drugs and preparation science are playing a big part on it, I will not be suprised if in some years guys would be cuting as much as 50 pounds efficiently before a fight. Just abolish this weight "classes" bullshit already! It just gives 6'5 pussies chance to fight guys originally 2 weight classes bellow them. Bravo...

[polychronopolous]

no I dont think its a new concept, but since you are puting this light on it, drugs and preparation science are playing a big part on it, I will not be suprised if in some years guys would be cuting as much as 50 pounds efficiently before a fight. Just abolish this weight "classes" bullshit already! It just gives 6'5 pussies chance to fight guys originally 2 weight classes bellow them. Bravo...

Some guys HAVE cut 50 lbs before a fight!

As far as the "why even have weight classes" it's such a silly argument summed up best with Robert DeNiro and Joe Pesci in this clip from Raging Bull @ 11:50 to 13:00.

A great big man will kick the shit out of the great little man almost every single time in a fight. That's just the way it is, from 200 years in the past to 200 years in the future. This is why weight classes exist.

[K-1]

no I dont think its a new concept, but since you are puting this light on it, drugs and preparation science are playing a big part on it, I will not be suprised if in some years guys would be cuting as much as 50 pounds efficiently before a fight. Just abolish this weight "classes" bullshit already! It just gives 6'5 pussies chance to fight guys originally 2 weight classes bellow them. Bravo...

You can take all the drugs and know all the science in the world...it won't replace water which is what that person would be cutting to drop 50 before a fight....not to mention he'd have to be wheelchair'd to the scale and put on IV's afterwards and watered like a damn plant so he wouldn't die in his sleep that night.

[polychronopolous]

You can take all the drugs and know all the science in the world...it won't replace water which is what that person would be cutting to drop 50 before a fight....not to mention he'd have to be wheelchair'd to the scale and put on IV's afterwards and watered like a damn plant so he wouldn't die in his sleep that night.

There has been many examples of the "bigger, heavier" fighter cutting too much before a fight and being at a significant disadvantage to the quicker, smaller fighter because of lack of energy and stamina from the dramatic weight loss.

[BILL ANVIL]

Jon Jones looks damn near 6'5 225lbs+ with a god damn 84.5" reach. Thats f#king unheard of even in the heavyweight division! He beats up on these little 6'0 205-215lb guys who don't even have a hope in hell and spits them out like thumb tacks

Shogun didn't quite look himself but it wouldn't of matted, same thing would of happened. Shogun had nothing for him and most other HW vs LHW fights would go the same way. The freakshow fight factor is what makes me really wanna watch Jon Jones fights, and in this case Jon Jones fights are SKILLED freak shows unlike the fat slobs vs giants matches in Japan. Thought it was funny as hell watching him fold Bader into a pretzel that easy, and poor poor Matt Hamill.  

I honestly think we just saw the biggest size difference in a fight for a long time in the UFC and really, its pretty cruel and unfair to his opponents but at the same time it makes for a fucking ruthless cheating beatdown LOL. I really don't think Jones would be as successful at his natural weight and wouldn't have such a huge advantage but would be really cool to see though. Jones-JDS Velasquez Nelson ect. Same thing with Anderson Silva but to a lesser extent obviously, there isn't such a size difference in his case.

The over sized lanky black man rules and will hold the belt forever.

[BILL ANVIL]

What he "walks around at" is irrelevant...the only thing that matters is the weight when he steps on the scales the day before the fight.

He could take a cab to Coney Island and bury Joey Chestnut and Kobashi in a hot dog eating contest directly after; come in the next day at 245 and EVEN then it would be irrelevant, legally sanctioned, and totally above the table.

And what about Antonio Silva cutting 30lbs to fight Fedor? He MADE the weight the day before the fight, that is all that matters.

Now if you are talking about creating a Cruiserweight division for the lighter current heavys or a Superheavyweight division for the bigger fellas then that is a whole other discussion in itself.

No. What matters is how much they weight when they're in the cage trying to take each others heads off. Size does matter.

[polychronopolous]

No. What matters is how much they weight when they're in the cage trying to take each others heads off. Size does matter.

I just said that about 3 posts up you fucking idiot.

Why don't you actually follow the conversation before you open your fat mouth?

No. Period? lol, get a clue and stay the fuck out of my way, newb.

A great big man will kick the shit out of the great little man almost every single time in a fight. That's just the way it is, from 200 years in the past to 200 years in the future. This is why weight classes exist.

[BILL ANVIL]

I just said that about 3 posts up you fucking idiot.

Why don't you actually follow the conversation before you open your fat mouth?

No. Period? lol, get a clue and stay the fuck out of my way, newb.

A great big man will kick the shit out of the great little man almost every single time in a fight. That's just the way it is, from 200 years in the past to 200 years in the future. This is why weight classes exist.



Mouthy fuck huh..

What he "walks around at" is irrelevant...the only thing that matters is the weight when he steps on the scales the day before the fight.

I took that statement the wrong way, sorry. You are an asshole btw.

[polychronopolous]

It's cool man, we just had a little misunderstanding between us.

I apologize if I was a little abrasive, it is something I am working on and trying to improve in my personal life.

[pellius]

The size difference between Fedor and Big Foot was much bigger.

Shogun can drop down a weight class if he wants to. That's what Faber did knowing he will never beat Aldo. So did BJ though it seems he wants back at 170 where he gives up significant lean muscle size. That's important. He was a bit under 170 when he fought GSP who stepped into the cage near 190. But there's more of a practical real world difference between a pudgy 170 versus a single digit lean 190 than just that 20 lb difference. And don't forget that Randy Couture dropped to LH after losing to Ricco Rodriguez at a heavy weight. Remember he was pushed to retire after that but remade himself became a legend fighting LH. But now he's back to HW.

As long as everybody plays by the same rules it's fair. The rule is that you make weight at the designated weigh in. Everybody knows the rules. You can fight in any weight class you feel you can make weight at.

[GraniteCityDon]

Ive never had a problem with weight classes because if you can make the weight, then you should be able to fight. The weigh in would be best on the morning / afternoon of the fight if people have issues with fighters putting on a subsequent amount of weight to give them a supposed "advantage" but either way i dont see an issue.

People choose to fight in a specific division knowing only too well that if they are at the bottom end of it weight wise then they already have a problem. If you weigh 225 and are fighting a Brock / Bigfoot / Carwin / Rogers - guys who cut to make 265 - and you are scared about the size difference then you would probably be best to drop to 205 and be stronger there (at the same time becoming the Lesnar / Bigfoot etc of the LHW division). Is this deemed unfair?

Open weight GP's have proven many times that its not always the biggest man that wins the fight, anyone can win at any time if they are trained well enough and have a little bit of luck. If Dana was able to stage just one then it would surprise alot of people as to who exactly progresses.

[WeightPSHR]

Tell me with a straight face how can this afrcian american fella, who is just plain towering over Andrei Arlovski in this pic, fight at LHW??? Its is simply unfair to say the last, the brother should just man up and fight the dogs of his size at the heavies...

You my friend do not understand combat sports.  Every fighter has the same advantage and disadvantage of cutting weight.  Everything comes at a price.  If a guy cuts very little or cuts a lot, there's a disadvantage to both.

Hopefully this makes it understandable for you.

[BILL ANVIL]

It's cool man, we just had a little misunderstanding between us.

I apologize if I was a little abrasive, it is something I am working on and trying to improve in my personal life.

My fault. And good luck with the improvement.

[coltrane]

Bottom line is that the weight is made at weigh-in.

If jones walked around with a TON more weight on his bones normally, after his cut, come fight day, he's not gonna perform that great....i.e. the cut was too tough. 

I see a 205 monster with long limbs and great skill.  I see the same thing at 185 as well.

[BILL ANVIL]

Bottom line is that the weight is made at weigh-in.

If jones walked around with a TON more weight on his bones normally, after his cut, come fight day, he's not gonna perform that great....i.e. the cut was too tough. 

I see a 205 monster with long limbs and great skill.  I see the same thing at 185 as well.

Same. GSP to a lesser extent too. He`s always got the reach advantage.