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« Reply #525 on: May 05, 2011, 05:39:09 PM »
Obama Hesitated - Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden
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Posted on 05/04/11 | From socyberty.com | Comments (0)

   
"What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound."



Note:This update comes some 24 hours after our longtime Washington D.C. Insider first outlined shocking details of an Obama administration having been "overruled" by senior military and intelligence officials leading up to the successful attack against terrorist Osama Bin Laden. What follows is further clarification of Insider's insights surrounding that event.

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Q: You stated that President Obama was "overruled" by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, "we overruled him." (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president's "persistent hesitation to act." There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president's failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president's already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president's position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?

 A: Nothing changed with the president's opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta's failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a "masterful manipulation" by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden's location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president's inaction would be "...significant to the point of political debilitation." It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates. The following day, and with Panetta's permission, Clinton met in private with Bill Daley and urged him to get the president's full and open approval of the Panetta plan. Daley agreed such approval would be of great benefit to the action, and instructed Clinton to delay proceeding until he had secured that approval. Daley contacted Clinton within hours of their meeting indicating Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval. Daley then informed Clinton that he too would fully support Panetta in his actions, even if it meant disclosing the president's indecision to the American public should that action fail to produce a successful conclusion. Clinton took that message back to Panetta and the CIA director initiated the 48 hour engagement order. At this point, the President of the United States was not informed of the engagement order – it did not originate from him, and for several hours after the order had been given and the special ops forces were preparing for action into Pakistan from their position in Afghanistan, Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.

This insulation ended at some point with an abort order that I believe originated from Valerie Jarrett's office, and was then followed up by President Obama. This abort order was later explained as a delay due to weather conditions, but the actual conditions at that time would have been acceptable for the mission. A storm system had been in the area earlier, but was no longer an issue. Check the data yourself to confirm. Jarrett, having been caught off guard, was now scrambling to determine who had initiated the plan. She was furious, repeating the acronym "CoC" and saying it was not being followed. This is where Bill Daley intervened directly. The particulars of that intervention are not clear to me beyond knowing he did meet with Jarrett in his office and following that meeting, Valerie Jarrett was not seen in the West Wing for some time, and apparently no longer offered up any resistance to the Osama Bin Laden mission. What did follow from there was one or more brief meetings between Bill Daley, Hillary Clinton, a representative from Robert Gates' office, a representative from Leon Panetta's office, and a representative from Jim Clapper's office. I have to assume that these meetings were in essence, detailing the move to proceed with the operation against the Osama Bin Laden compound. I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking "very confused and uncertain." The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already "up to speed" on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day's events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president's role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it "...much more confident. Much more certain of himself." He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president's office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #526 on: May 05, 2011, 06:16:20 PM »
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« Reply #527 on: May 05, 2011, 06:26:13 PM »
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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #529 on: May 05, 2011, 10:42:41 PM »
Good grief.  Appeaser in Chief at it again.   ::)

Obama Defends Bin Laden Sea Burial as 'respectful'
Thursday, 05 May 2011

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama said U.S. forces were "respectful of the body" of Osama bin Laden when they buried his remains at sea, despite criticism from some Muslim clerics that it violated Islamic practice.

"We took more care on this than, obviously, bin Laden took when he killed 3,000 people. He didn't have much regard for how they were treated and desecrated," Obama told CBS's "60 Minutes" program, referring to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that the al Qaeda leader masterminded.

"But that, again, is something that makes us different. And I think we handled it appropriately," Obama said, according to an advance excerpt of an interview that will air in full Sunday.

Questions have multiplied since the White House said bin Laden was unarmed when U.S. helicopter-borne commandos shot and killed him Monday at the fortified villa where he had been hiding in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad.

Bin Laden's swift burial at sea from the deck of a U.S. aircraft carrier in the north Arabian sea has also stirred misgivings, with some Muslims saying it was done contrary to Islamic custom.

U.S. officials have insisted that bin Laden's body was washed and that Islamic prayers were recited in accordance with religious laws. They said there was concern that a grave could have served as a shrine and rallying point for his followers.

"It was a joint decision," Obama said when asked whether he personally made the decision for burial at sea. "We thought it was important to think through ahead of time how we would dispose of the body if he were killed in the compound."

"And I think that what we tried to do was -- consulting with experts in Islamic law and ritual-- to find something that was appropriate, that was, respectful of the body," Obama added.

Saudi Sheikh Abdul Mohsen Al-Obaikan, an adviser to the Saudi Royal Court, said: "That is not the Islamic way. The Islamic way is to bury the person in land (if he has died on land) like all other people." (Reporting by Matt Spetalnick; Editing by Vicki Allen)

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #530 on: May 06, 2011, 05:17:37 AM »
Is the Obama administration setting up to toss the SEALs under the bus?
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That is one way, though surely not the only way, to read this story. The gist: the administration is now admitting that it had no video feed during the most crucial 20-25 minutes of the bin Laden raid. But take note of a detail that’s hanging in the new new new version of events.

A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.

Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.

In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: “Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn’t know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.

“We had some observation of the approach there, but we did not have direct flow of information as to the actual conduct of the operation itself as they were going through the compound.”

Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president. (emphasis mine)

It’s that last line that puts some distance now between the White House and the raid. The WH wasn’t actually watching, and the SEALs made the call to kill. Put that together with the information that came out yesterday about the disposition of the enemy within the compound.

Several other details from the raid support the narrative that bin Laden felt a certain sense of security in his walled compound in northern Pakistan—there were no guards on site, and he was unarmed when the CIA-led Navy SEALs team dropped in Sunday to capture or kill him.

The circumstances surrounding his final minutes are still a bit blurry. A senior U.S. official said that while he was unarmed, he appeared to be reaching for a weapon before being fatally shot.

Other accounts said one of the guards was armed, but the others and bin Laden were not. Of course, we’ll never see the actual order that sent the SEAL team in, so we’ll never know if it truly was a kill order. Most Americans wouldn’t care either way — bin Laden was one of that rare breed of thug who just needs killlin’. But this administration isn’t composed of “most Americans,” it’s composed of people who hold a skeptical view of American power, to say the least. And it’s not as if Obama hasn’t made a habit of throwing anyone and everyone under the bus as soon as they become inconvenient to him. And let’s face it: Obama’s voting base hates the military and has spent the entire war decrying every tactic the military and our intel agencies have used over the course of the war.

The Obama administration would be making a colossal mistake if it goes anywhere near turning on the SEALs who got bin Laden. But they have been making mistake after mistake since the successful raid. So I’m no longer confident they can manage to dodge making this one. And if your agenda of frittering away American power and influence remains in place, it’s not a mistake at all.

Plus: The New York Times Magazine suffers from a case of bad timing…and worse judgment.

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #531 on: May 06, 2011, 05:35:29 AM »
CIA agents lived in spy house near Bin Laden's compound for MONTHS in most intricate operation in agency's history
By Tim Shipman
Last updated at 12:50 PM on 6th May 2011


Pakistan warns of 'disastrous consequences' if there are any more raids

U.S. ordered to reduce presence in the country

The CIA spied on Osama bin Laden for months from its own top-secret safehouse in Abbottabad, it has been revealed.

In one of the most intricate intelligence operations in CIA history, spies moved in to a property next door to Bin Laden's fortified compound to establish his 'pattern of life'. 

The surveillance operation was so extensive that the CIA was forced to go cap in hand to Congress in December to ask for tens of millions of dollars more funding, which was met by creaming money from a variety of other agency budgets.

 Top secret: A Pakistani man leans against a wall in Abbotabad bearing the graffiti 'Osama Bin Town' - but it has emerged the area was also home to a CIA spy-house

U.S officials refused to reveal how many agents were part of the close-quarters surveillance team but were at pains to stress the remarkable levels of care required because Bin Laden would flee the moment suspicions were aroused.

They used every possible means to gather information, including Pakistani informants, satellite images, telephoto lenses and listening devices in an attempt to record Bin Laden and his cohorts.

However, Bin Laden was so adept at hiding that the CIA admit to admiring his commitment, having rejected the suspicious-looking trappings of bodyguards and vehicles.

According to Pakistan security officials, the al Qaeda leader spent the last five years living in the same room of his mansion where he was shot and killed by U.S. forces.

The claims were made by the terrorist leader's wife, who apparently told interrogators that she and her husband had not left the same room for the past half a decade.

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The revelations of Amal al-Sadah, Bin Laden's Yemeni wife, who is now in the custody of Pakistani intelligence, sheds new light on the existence of the world's most wanted man.

But Pakistani authorities who are interrogating her are now threatening to cut their intelligence-sharing arrangement with the U.S. because of the country's anger and embarrassment over the whole operation.

If the country makes good on that threat it would mean the U.S. faces a struggle to act on any new intelligence gleaned from Bin Laden's compound.

'You’ve got to give him credit for his tradecraft,' a former senior CIA official who played a leading role in the manhunt told The Washington Post. 

The CIA safehouse played no part in the actual capture and kill operation and it has now closed down.

While it would have been too dangerous for the team to remain on the ground in the aftermath of the operation, it has served the purpose for which it was created.

 Discreet: The CIA moved into a house near Bin Laden's compound and were able to remain undetected by a mixture of extraordinary skill and the local conditions that helped the terrorist leader hide for so long

'The intelligence work was as complete as it was going to be, and it was the military’s turn to finish the target,' a U.S. official told The Washington Post, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The CIA were able to move into the Abbottabad spy-house for the same reasons that Bin Laden was able to remain in the city undetected.

It was not considered a terrorist stronghold like Quetta or Peshawar, and because it has many holiday homes and refugees from the recent earthquakes it has a transient population.

All those conditions made it easier for the CIA to slip in unnoticed.

But the intelligence gathering work did not stop once the spy-house team had achieved its goals. And with the 'mother lode' of information seized by the Special Forces team during the capture and kill operation, plans for a major terrorist plot have been uncovered.

The swathes of evidence found on computers, DVDs and documents recovered by U.S. Navy SEALs in Sunday's shoot-out show that the terror mastermind was still keen on so-called 'soft targets' like trains and planes.

  Domestic life: The Yemeni wife of Osama bin Laden, Amal al-Sadah, says she lived with her husband in the same room in the Abbottabad compound for the past five years

 Inside the lair: This still image from a video shows a part of the room where it is believed Bin Laden lived and was killed
 Tourist site: A Pakistani family leave after viewing the walled compound in Abbottabad where Bin Laden was caught and killed
 Pride: The under-construction Freedom Tower at 1 World Trade Center was lit up in red white and blue last night

The only plot that looked nearly ready was one to derail a train on the 10th anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks, said the FBI.
 Military strongman: Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is demanding a serious reduction in U.S. troop numbers in Pakistan
As recriminations flew over the assassination of Bin Laden, Pakistan's military strongman demanded cuts in the number of U.S. personnel on Pakistani soil and said it would slash ties altogether if the U.S. launches another anti-terrorist raid on their soil.

Army chief General Ashfaq Kayani, who is seen as more powerful than Pakistan’s civilian leaders, was voicing widespread anger at American claims that the country's intelligence agency the ISI sheltered the terrorist leader for a decade.

He told his colleagues that a decision had been made to reduce the number of U.S. military personnel to the 'minimum essential' levels.

A spokesman said General Kayani 'made it clear that any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military intelligence cooperation with the United States'.

Earlier, the government had warned of 'disastrous consequences' if the U.S. staged a similar attack on its territory.

The UN's independent investigator on extrajudicial killings has called on the U.S. to reveal more details of the raid to allow experts to assess the legality of his killing.

South African law professor Christof Heyns said in a statement today that Washington 'should disclose the supporting facts to allow an assessment in terms of international human rights law standards.'

'It will be particularly important to know if the planning of the mission allowed an effort to capture Bin Laden,' said Heyns.

Although U.S. officials say the raid is legal under U.S. and international law, the Heyn's call echoes similar appeals from other UN officials, human rights groups and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

But as the war of words between Pakistan and the U.S. escalated, a senior British source said the U.S. would ignore the threats and would launch another raid to capture or kill Bin Laden's deputy Ayman Al Zawahiri — the new head of Al Qaeda — if they can locate him in Pakistan.

'He’s next and they'll get him if they can, however many feathers it ruffles,' one official said.

'It has always been likely that he is in Pakistan.'

'The capability they bring to the fight cannot be replicated by man or machine,' he said last year.

The dogs even come armed with their own hi-tech weaponry - titanium fangs.

The modification, which costs around $2,000 per tooth, means the dogs are reputedly capable of biting through protective armoured clothing.

The source said that General Kayani’s comments were 'intended for internal consumption'.

'Whenever there’s an American Predator strike on Al Qaeda you always hear these public complaints but activities of that nature still continue with tacit consent'.

U.S. officials called for the £1.8billion in annual aid that America sends to Pakistan to be blocked until the government in Islamabad explains how Bin Laden lived unmolested just a few hundred yards from the Pakistani Army training school.

Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate subcommittee that allocates foreign aid, said he was certain that some Pakistani military and intelligence officials knew that Bin Laden was hiding 30 miles from Islamabad.

'It's impossible for them not to have some idea he was there.'

Senior Pentagon official Michelle Flournoy said the Pakistanis must now demonstrate visibly and convincingly their commitment to defeating Al Qaeda by helping the U.S. exploit the intelligence hoard seized inside Bin Laden's compound on Monday.
Prime Minister David Cameron has admitted that Bin Laden had an 'extensive support network' in the Pakistani security forces. Tory MPs want a review of the £650million in aid that Britain is sending Pakistan.
But Mr Cameron has insisted that the UK must continue to engage with the country.

That view was echoed yesterday by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

'It is not always an easy relationship,' she said.
'But on the other hand, it is a productive one for both of our countries and we are going to continue to co-operate between our governments, our militaries, our law enforcement agencies.'

The former head of the British Army, General Lord Dannatt, defended the action of the U.S. special forces, saying Bin Laden's killing had been 'unfortunate but necessary'.

He added: 'The special forces troops going in had been briefed, perfectly reasonably, that if Bin Laden was anything other than naked, he could be assumed to be wearing a suicide vest.

'Unless he put his hands straight up and surrendered straightaway they had to assume that he had evil intent.'


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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #532 on: May 06, 2011, 06:14:59 AM »
Major Garrett condemns ‘ham-handed’ way White House told OBL mission story
Daily Caller ^ | 5/6/2011 | Jeff Poor


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The ever-changing “narrative” from the White House about the U.S. mission to kill Osama bin Laden has shed some doubt on the events that took place that historic day, and that’s not the way the government should have handled such a historic moment argues National Journal’s Major Garrett.

In an appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Friday, Garrett explained how the White House went wrong in the days after President Barack Obama’s late Sunday night announcement.

“One quick point about that,” Garrett said. “I believe the administration should be justifiably criticized for the ham-handed nature of telling this story. This is the most serious military operation this administration has engaged in in a decade. It should be told once with precision and clarity for everyone. And they didn’t do that and it’s their fault.”

The former Fox News Channel White House correspondent said if it had taken time to get the story straight for the public, then it should have taken that time and “dispense facts,” not build a narrative.

“That’s not a partisan statement at all,” he said. “This is a responsibility of the government to explain what happened and if it takes time to make that explanation, and if takes time to build a — and not a narrative, I’m sorry. I resent that phrase, entirely. These are facts. Governments dispense facts or should, not narratives. And the time should have been taken to put the facts together and explain them once.”

“Morning Joe” co-host Willie Geist agreed with Garrett’s assessment.

“And it’s not a story that needs embellishing,” Geist said. “That’s the shame of it. Just get the story out there. It’s impressive enough on its own.”

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #533 on: May 06, 2011, 09:04:02 AM »
Obama to Allah:pardon Osama(Did he order Marines to wash his body and saying prayers over him?)
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The Obama administration is in lockdown on the particulars of their disposal of the most hated man in the civilized world. Officials have refused to release photos or video of bin Laden’s capture, corpse or controversial sea burial, instead averring that it was “taken care of in the appropriate way.” “Appropriate” seems to be the administration’s final word on the matter. The answer to whether a Muslim expert was consulted was that “appropriate specialists and experts” were sought out, while a senior defense official at a Pentagon briefing emphasized Osama was handled “using the appropriate procedures and rituals.”

Additional questions on the burial have been decidedly unwelcome—when asked whether American service members were the ones who cleaned the terrorist’s body or why he was given an Islamic funeral, Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell sniffed, “I don’t think we care to get into those details.” John Brennan, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, cut off a reporter asking whether an imam was at the funeral with, “It was done appropriately with the appropriate people there.”

For those wondering just what an “appropriate” Islamic burial entails, “Navy Military Funerals,” created by the Navy to govern laying their dead to rest, is a bit more forthcoming. Their “Service for the committal of a person of the Muslim faith” lays out explicit steps that must be followed in a Muslim sea burial. The body must have been washed and wrapped “as required for the bodies of Muslims,” which refers to ceremonial cleanings that must be done by another Muslim. Those who have gathered to pray at the burial—ostensibly crewmembers since family is not allowed at sea burials—must face Mecca


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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #534 on: May 07, 2011, 08:00:42 AM »
There wasn't ONE time in all those months where they lived next to him that he couldn't be captured alive?
They assumed he was wearing a suicide vest, for ten years, everyday?

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #535 on: May 07, 2011, 08:09:39 AM »
Amazing.  Obama can release the propoganda films and crap they got at the house but not the death or burial video.

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« Reply #536 on: May 07, 2011, 08:13:03 AM »
Amazing.  Obama can release the propoganda films and crap they got at the house but not the death or burial video.

Were those things actually released? Oh boy... ::)

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #537 on: May 07, 2011, 08:14:57 AM »
There wasn't ONE time in all those months where they lived next to him that he couldn't be captured alive?
They assumed he was wearing a suicide vest, for ten years, everyday?

I'm gonna listen to that show soon.

Would you really risk losing 30 DEVGRU and CIA paramilitary in an attempt to capture him?  

They never saw him once before they launched the raid. And given that he had money sewn into all of his clothes along with phone numbers and email addresses I don't think it would have really been a stretch for him to have a bomb vest on him while he was awake at least.

Amazing.  Obama can release the propoganda films and crap they got at the house but not the death or burial video.

Don't worry, Obama and the MSM are too busy rambling on about proper Muslim burials.  ::)

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« Reply #538 on: May 07, 2011, 09:04:23 AM »
Is it completly wrong to believe that Osama was probably just being detained instead of hiding? A vital "clue" will be when the public has a better idea of just how long the west knew he was there. It's already suggested that they knew he was there for months, maybe it was years. There was no mention of a suicide vest on his persosns when they found him. No groups of bodyguards, just some dope with a water pistol that I'm being told could have been the lone armed shooter. One guy put up a 45 minuter shootout against the SEALs? All I know is dead bodies can't speak. Crazier shit has been happening around the world. Werent guns shipped across the Mexico border knowingly? Wasnt the CIA involved in smuggling drugs into the country? The list goes on.

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« Reply #539 on: May 07, 2011, 09:31:16 AM »
perhaps the 14 foot fence with barbed wire was there to keep him IN - not keep others out.

He and his wife had been in that same ROOM for 5 years.  imagine that. Sounds more like house arrest than hiding.

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« Reply #540 on: May 07, 2011, 09:49:01 AM »
Is it completly wrong to believe that Osama was probably just being detained instead of hiding? A vital "clue" will be when the public has a better idea of just how long the west knew he was there. It's already suggested that they knew he was there for months, maybe it was years. There was no mention of a suicide vest on his persosns when they found him. No groups of bodyguards, just some dope with a water pistol that I'm being told could have been the lone armed shooter. One guy put up a 45 minuter shootout against the SEALs? All I know is dead bodies can't speak. Crazier shit has been happening around the world. Werent guns shipped across the Mexico border knowingly? Wasnt the CIA involved in smuggling drugs into the country? The list goes on.

No group of bodyguards isn't a giveaway. It makes sense that he wouldn't have his Black Guard with him as they would have been the most gigantic giveaway that he was there and moving them around with him would have made it a lot easier to track him. It's a lot easier to move one or two people than one guy with a dozen+ bodyguards like he used to have. And if he was being detained then he wouldn't have been leading Al Qaeda from there.

US intelligence has long considered Pakistan's ISI a terrorist organization. They're the same group that organized the Mumbai attacks and made sure that the shooters went around killing anyone who looked foreign. Anyone thinking they had OBL "detained" while, at the same time letting him run AQ from there, is a fucking retard.

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« Reply #541 on: May 07, 2011, 10:11:50 AM »
No group of bodyguards isn't a giveaway. It makes sense that he wouldn't have his Black Guard with him as they would have been the most gigantic giveaway that he was there and moving them around with him would have made it a lot easier to track him. It's a lot easier to move one or two people than one guy with a dozen+ bodyguards like he used to have. And if he was being detained then he wouldn't have been leading Al Qaeda from there.

US intelligence has long considered Pakistan's ISI a terrorist organization. They're the same group that organized the Mumbai attacks and made sure that the shooters went around killing anyone who looked foreign. Anyone thinking they had OBL "detained" while, at the same time letting him run AQ from there, is a fucking retard.

What about all the computers they said he had at the compound with him and the documents, tapes..etc....? He was sewing money into his clothing for a quick get away but he had a whole bunch of computers and documents laying around with sensitive information on them? Sounds like if he was there he felt pretty combfortable about it. i don't know....

Are there any pictures of the blown up helicopter? I cant find any.  

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« Reply #542 on: May 07, 2011, 10:17:15 AM »
Word is that they blew up the inner computer stuff, not the shell. 

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« Reply #543 on: May 07, 2011, 10:39:02 AM »
The army chief of staff, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, "made it very clear that any similar action, violating the sovereignty of Pakistan, will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States," the statement said.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/07/pakistan.bin.laden/index.html?hpt=T1

General Kayani must be on crack. 

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« Reply #544 on: May 07, 2011, 11:44:07 AM »
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« Reply #545 on: May 07, 2011, 12:14:36 PM »
Now here's a little something that you might not like.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/142480/20110507/osama-bin-laden-dead-fury-sparked-among-supporters-photos.htm



Well it's pretty clear that not releasing a picture of dead Osama has placated Muslims.   ::)

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« Reply #546 on: May 07, 2011, 12:16:04 PM »
 :)


In this undated image taken from video provided by the U.S. Department of Defense, Osama bin Laden is shown watching himself on television in a new video released on Saturday. (AP Photo/Department of Defense)



Osama bin Laden is shown In this undated image taken from new video provided by the U.S. Department of Defense.

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« Reply #547 on: May 07, 2011, 12:22:16 PM »
i bet that room smelled like shit.

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« Reply #548 on: May 07, 2011, 12:42:02 PM »
Older commentary about Abu Ghraib.  Obama's positions on releasing information and pictures have been all over the place. 

Obama's Abu Ghraib photo incompetence

First, the Obama Administration was going to surrender to the ACLU and release potentially inflammatory pictures of the treatment of Abu Ghraib detainees. Now, the administration is saying that Obama will oppose the release of the photos because, as the NY Times reports, “Mr. Obama changed his mind after seeing the photographs and getting warnings from top Pentagon officials that the images, taken from the early years of the wars, would ‘further inflame anti-American opinion’ and endanger troops in two war zones.”

Obama elaborated yesterday: “The publication of these photos would not add any additional benefit to our understanding of what was carried out in the past by a small number of individuals,” Mr. Obama told reporters on the South Lawn. “In fact, the most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to further inflame anti-American opinion and to put our troops in greater danger.” That certainly makes it hard to believe (particularly for people predisposed to see the worst in America) that the pictures “are not particularly sensational", as Obama added.

This circus of executive incompetence has already damaged the nation.

The problems with Obama’s logic and the necessity of his flip-flop are so many that it’s hard to know where to start, but let’s take a stab at it:

1.   The Abu Ghraib photos released during the Bush Administration were probably of similar nature to the photos proposed to be released now. What about the prior photos could have made Obama believe that their release would “add any additional benefits to our understanding”? Obama’s explanation of his change of heart therefore represents either a lie or a dangerous combination of stupidity and incompetence.

2.   Obama claims to have been swayed in part by warnings from top generals about the danger of releasing the pictures. However, Obama was not swayed by the protests of 4 prior CIA Directors as well as Obama’s own current CIA director when it came to the release of the probably more damaging “torture memos”. Therefore, Obama’s secondary explanation of his change of heart also rings false.

3.   While I’m pleased that Obama has decided to oppose the release of the photos, his flip-flop and his public explanations of it makes the whole affair quite damaging to the nation even if the pictures are never seen by the public. This is because Obama is now saying, or at least implying, that both his view and the view of top generals is that the pictures depict treatment of prisoners harsh enough to cause a rise in anti-American sentiment or maybe even anti-American attacks. In other words, since Obama implied that the reason he opposes releasing the pictures is because they show treatment of detainees which our enemies (whether Taleban or ACLU) might find objectionable, he leaves it to people’s imaginations to create their own nightmare scenes, with the flames of anger among the American far left and the Arab street fanned by bloggers and anti-American propagandists. Indeed, if the pictures were as tame as Obama tries to imply – at the same time that he’s saying he can’t release them because they’re inflammatory – he should release them and get it over with rather than let Americans and our enemies alike imagine the worst.

Obama should have opposed the release of the pictures from the beginning. However, as the “torture memos” show, his default inclination is to blame America first, so it’s not surprising he would have at first gone along with the ACLU’s calls for releasing the pictures. But if Obama had as much sense as a box of rocks, once he made the decision to oppose the release, he should have given a bland “national security” explanation and leave it at that. Yes, it would have required him to stand up to the far left fringe of liberal activists which is clearly not his strong suit. As it stands, Obama’s explanation of his flip-flop on the release of the pictures is only slightly better than the release of inflammatory pictures might be. It’s just the latest reminder that Americans elected to the presidency a man who is clearly not ready or able to lead without the help of a teleprompter and focus group.

http://rossputin.com/blog/index.php/obama-s-abu-ghraib-photo-incompetence

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« Reply #549 on: May 07, 2011, 01:20:09 PM »
Only when it suits him personally.