Ron Paul: The GOP Candidate to Beat?

[Dos Equis]

Oh really?  You don`t think sub-cultures and cultures have their own mannerisms, norms, values, dress codes etc...?


"No one allowed with Pants on The Ground, Gold teeth, Doo-Rags, Necklaces of any kind, sports Jerseys, Oversized clothes" If I posted that sign, you honestly don`t have a clue who I would be trying to target?

I think, with the exception of gangs, teenagers dress the same, depending on where they live, where they go to school, and what everyone else is wearing.  Some groups will have the "emu" look.  Some will dress like bums.  Some will wear jerseys, etc. 

Quit trying to make the subtle race argument.  I am not impressed.   

[Dos Equis]

What "race" is someone if they are 1/16th Black?   

Whatever race they want to be. 

[The True Adonis]

Whatever race they want to be.  

So you are in effect saying there is no such thing as racism because one can "be whatever race they want to be".   So how do you judge someones race and then claim they were being discriminated against "racially" if you can`t even define what race they are since they are capable of being "whatever race they want to be" as you stated?

 

[Dos Equis]

So you are in effect saying there is no such thing as racism because one can "be whatever race they want to be".   So how do you judge someones race and then claim they were being discriminated against if you can`t even define what race they are?

 

lol.  Really?  Every race is a protected class. 

[The True Adonis]

lol.  Really?  Every race is a protected class. 

How can you give specific protection to something you can`t define?

[Dos Equis]

How can you give specific protection to something you can`t define?

Dude you gotta be kidding me.  Everyone belongs to some racial classification, whether it's white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Hawaiian, "other," etc.  This isn't even good message board material.  lol 

[The True Adonis]

Dude you gotta be kidding me.  Everyone belongs to some racial classification, whether it's white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Hawaiian, "other," etc.  This isn't even good message board material.  lol 

You can`t tell me what race someone who is 1/16th black is and you certainly can`t tell me what race Barack Obama is.  He is just as much white as he is anything, so how would we be able to determine that he was being discriminated against because he was black if he is equally white?  What does race even mean? 

[The True Adonis]

Dude you gotta be kidding me.  Everyone belongs to some racial classification, whether it's white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Hawaiian, "other," etc.  This isn't even good message board material.  lol  

So now you are including place of birth and states, "Hawaii" as a race? So is Barack Obama`s race White, Black or Hawaiian?  

[Dos Equis]

You can`t tell me what race someone who is 1/16th black is and you certainly can`t tell me what race Barack Obama is.  He is just as much white as he is anything, so how would we be able to determine that he was being discriminated against because he was black if he is equally white?  What does race even mean? 

Obama is whatever race he choses to be:  white, black, mixed race, "other."  You need to go Google race discrimination and figure out how it's determined. 

I don't know how to answer your "what does race even mean" question.  It's something that should be discussed in a (useless) philosophy class.   

Although I will say that I think race-based statistics are meaningless given the dilution of races in this country.     

[Dos Equis]

So now you are including place of birth and states, "Hawaii" as a race? So is Barack Obama`s race White, Black or Hawaiian?  

"Hawaiian" is an ethnic group, like Native American.  Not everyone born in Hawaii is "Hawaiian."  Obama is not Hawaiian. 

[tu_holmes]

"Hawaiian" is an ethnic group, like Native American.  Not everyone born in Hawaii is "Hawaiian."  Obama is not Hawaiian. 

I would have thought the ethnic group would be "Pacific Islander".

[Dos Equis]

I would have thought the ethnic group would be "Pacific Islander".

Nope.  Pacific Islander includes Hawaiian, Samoan, Tongan, Tahitian, etc. 

[The True Adonis]

"Hawaiian" is an ethnic group, like Native American.  Not everyone born in Hawaii is "Hawaiian."  Obama is not Hawaiian.  

What do you mean he is not Hawaiian?  He was born there.  How is someone who was born in Hawaii not a Hawaiian?  Native American?  What is that?  You do realize that many Indian tribes in the 1800s were lead by Multi-raced chiefs, such as William Weatherford of The Creeks (Muscogee) who was only 1/8th Indian and was bested by the great Andrew Jackson in the Creek War.  

Again, why would he be considered a Native American Creek Indian if he was only 1/8th Creek?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Weatherford

[The True Adonis]

Nope.  Pacific Islander includes Hawaiian, Samoan, Tongan, Tahitian, etc.  

So now you are saying that Barack Obama is a Pacific Islander also because he is Hawaiian?  

[The True Adonis]

What race is this guy?

[Dos Equis]

What do you mean he is not Hawaiian?  He was born there.  How is someone who was born in Hawaii not a Hawaiian?  Native American?  What is that?  You do realize that many Indian tribes in the 1800s were lead by Multi-raced chiefs, such as William Weatherford of The Creeks (Muscogee) who was only 1/8th Indian and was bested by the great Andrew Jackson in the Creek War.  

Again, why would he be considered a Native American Creek Indian if he was only 1/8th Creek?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Weatherford

He is not Hawaiian because "Hawaiian" is an ethnic group.  He is "from" Hawaii.  Use your friend Google, like you always do.  I really can't explain it more than that.  It's not complicated.  

[Dos Equis]

So now you are saying that Barack Obama is a Pacific Islander also because he is Hawaiian?  

LOL! 

[Dos Equis]

What race is this guy?

I have no idea.  You can't always determine a person's race by looking at them. 

[The True Adonis]

I have no idea.

Why?

[The True Adonis]

I have no idea.  You can't always determine a person's race by looking at them.  

He calls himself Black.
So how do you determine race and how would you prove discrimination if you cant define or determine what you intend to protect?

[Dos Equis]

He calls himself Black.
So how do you determine race and how would you prove discrimination if you cant define or determine what you intend to protect?

Who is "you" in this context? 

[The True Adonis]

Who is "you" in this context?  

I`m addressing you directly and anyone who believes that "race" or "ethnicity" should be a "protected class" from discrimination as you stated.  I personally do not think there should be any protections whatsoever because its impossible, illogical and nonsensical to give special protection to something which cannot be defined.

[The True Adonis]

He is not Hawaiian because "Hawaiian" is an ethnic group.  He is "from" Hawaii.  Use your friend Google, like you always do.  I really can't explain it more than that.  It's not complicated.  

So what are you supposed to call someone who is born in Hawaii then? 

[Dos Equis]

I`m addressing you directly and anyone who believes that "race" or "ethnicity" should be a "protected class" from discrimination as you stated.  I personally do not think there should be any protections whatsoever because its impossible, illogical and nonsensical to give special protection to something cannot be defined.

I determine race by either looking at someone and making an assumption or using whatever classification they want to go by.  But I don't really care about race, other than when it comes to employment decisions.  

Because I hire, manage, and fire employees, I have to be aware of "protected classes" so I don't get into trouble.  I have interviewed a lot of people over the years.  I cannot refuse to hire someone because they are a certain race, or if I think they're a certain race.  You're the only one confused about it.  I think it's funny.  

[Dos Equis]

So what are you supposed to call someone who is born in Hawaii then? 

Whatever they want to be called. 

Unless they want to attend Kamehameha Schools.