Question to ex-juicers and naturals

[James28]

Not fat at all, just not at .5% bodyfat like the rest of getbiggers 

[Ex Coelis]

Not fat at all, just not at .5% bodyfat like the rest of getbiggers 

you're quite the specimen yourself, stud

[James28]

you're quite the specimen yourself, stud

Well, I try. 

[Ursus]

I do not need steroids to make good gains. I have made steady gains since I started so much so that the thought has never crossed my mind.

Would I look better on steroids? Yes. I would likely be 300+ after a few years.

I however have no interest of competing or taking steroids and am more than happy training the way I do. What is the big race to get big fast? Slow and steady wins the race. Also I would much rather be a smaller weaker nattie people respect and admire (to a small extent in a gym enviroment) than an average big bloated juicer who people always talk about drug use behind their back.

Just my thoughts

[James28]

Remember, if you have shitty genetics, steroids won't do much. I've seen people go on 6 week cycles and gaining nothing but water and tits. It's by no means a sure-fire way to grow. I'll admit that I'm too chicken shit to take them as I don't fancy the side effects I see so often from guys in the gym. Besides, I've stopped caring about being huge. Happy being well above average. 

[Natural Man]

I agree, but then why workout just to get fit? There are much more enjoyable activities to getting fit then going to the gym 5 times a week and lifting dem damn weights. I mean, I was into "looking fit" for a very loooong period of my life after toring a delt in the army and do you know how many times I went to a gym then? Zero. Just playing sports, some BJJ and boxing with friends and a little push ups and chins here and there and thats it. But then I decided it was time to get strong again and then there the gym rat was 5 times per week.

BFRS, you should  start  frequenting a real gym, nail your diet and do some oxys just once in your life just to get the taste man, I know this because it makes the same shit to your muscles as the weed do to your soul  

maybe you should get a life and focus on other different, more various things ?

[True]

If you want big results and want to have big ripped muscles, do steroids.

 If you're satisfied with just being fit and keeping a low body weight, stay natural.

 Just depends what you want.

 The problem is that lots of guys are trying to have a bodybuilder's physique naturally. These guys end up bitter and frustrated at their failure to make the gains they want.

 Just gotta be realistic. Too many guys set their goals too high when natural.

I agree. For me Ive always had ethical and moral issues with doing drugs and so I never took them. I just dont belivie in it. Ive seen and heard so many guys get fucked up by that shit too. I belivie in the long and hard way. Ive always been a very patient guy so I never felt a need to get big over night. I just knew that with a lot of hard work over a long time would bring me good results. Honest results. I also love the challenge improving my body naturally. Its always fun to progress in the gym and in your physique. You take more pride and joy over it, knowing that you did it all naturally. And I really dont need to look like a huge guy to feel good about myself either. Just staying fit and in shape is always good enough in my book. You can accomplish a lot naturally only if you have the patience, dicipline and determination to do it.

[Ex Coelis]

I agree. For me Ive always had ethical and moral issues with doing drugs and so I never took them. I just dont belivie in it. Ive seen and heard so many guys get fucked up by that shit too. I belivie in the long and hard way. Ive always been a very patient guy so I never felt a need to get big over night. I just knew that with a lot of hard work over a long time would bring me good results. Honest results. I also love the challenge improving my body naturally. Its always fun to progress in the gym and in your physique. You take more pride and joy over it, knowing that you did it all naturally. And I really dont need to look like a huge guy to feel good about myself either. Just staying fit and in shape is always good enough in my book. You can accomplish a lot naturally only if you have the patience, dicipline and determination to do it.

do not confuse being a pussy with having "morals"

you're wasting your life for nothing

[True]

do not confuse being a pussy with having "morals"

you're wasting your life for nothing

Thats funny.. I feel the same about you.

[Ex Coelis]

Thats funny.. I feel the same about you.

haha

I've given you the truth - do with it what you will

[DK II]

a lot naive little women in this thread wasting their money on noxplode and creakic

gayer than spending a fortune to look like shit because you're too afraid to man-up and do the real thing

had i been spending the money i wasted on supplements on HGH and gear, i'd be Mr Olympia today. 

[wes]

Just started a cycle after quite a number of years.

Doses are  low right now, but I`m gaining like SOB..............recepto rs are as fresh as a daisy. 

[Firemuscle]

I agree. For me Ive always had ethical and moral issues with doing drugs and so I never took them. I just dont belivie in it. Ive seen and heard so many guys get fucked up by that shit too. I belivie in the long and hard way. Ive always been a very patient guy so I never felt a need to get big over night. I just knew that with a lot of hard work over a long time would bring me good results. Honest results. I also love the challenge improving my body naturally. Its always fun to progress in the gym and in your physique. You take more pride and joy over it, knowing that you did it all naturally. And I really dont need to look like a huge guy to feel good about myself either. Just staying fit and in shape is always good enough in my book. You can accomplish a lot naturally only if you have the patience, dicipline and determination to do it.

 That's the only reason why I havn't tried it yet.

 I've seen my buddies get bad gyno, early baldness, awful acne that left scars on the face, high blood pressure and red unhealthy skin. And our own Meso Z went limp from it.

 I don't have any moral issues with it at all.

[leadhead]

Just started a cycle after quite a number of years.

Doses are  low right now, but I`m gaining like SOB..............recepto rs are as fresh as a daisy. 

I've been thinking about this myself after a 5 year span of being clean. My training partner is on 750 of sustanon and growing like a weed. I've been creeping along while clean gaining a few lbs of muscle per year and wondering how fresh my receptors were. Good luck with your cycle

[wes]

Thanks bro.....I`ll increase dosages when I stop responding.

Sustanon alone right now and retaining size while dieting and getting stronger almost daily.

[Bam-bam]

That's the only reason why I havn't tried it yet.

 I've seen my buddies get bad gyno, early baldness, awful acne that left scars on the face, high blood pressure and red unhealthy skin. And our own Meso Z went limp from it.

 I don't have any moral issues with it at all.

sorry man but thats bullshit, these "side effects" your pals had would be coming either way, juicing or not. Take todays all olympia line up, maybe only branch is bald, and these guys are on colossal doses. If you take some test or some oxandrolone your side effects will be ZERO, 100% zero. Steroids like sustanon and deposteron are primarely made for the eldery you know. Also, you are into weed and it kills brain cells and fucks your lunges 10x worse than cigs so there you go. 

[Nirvana]

only 1 issue I have with juice

it's not permanent

I'm not superficial enough.

[Bam-bam]

only 1 issue I have with juice

it's not permanent

I'm not superficial enough.

but muscle isnt permanent either...

[chunkramwell]

I've hit a plateau for the last few years in lifting, but my 5k and 1/2 marathon times continue to go down. I lift now just for maintenance and because I like to move iron, it doesn't feel wasted. I don't really know how to get juice though, sure there are websites but they never look legit. If I could sit down with somebody I trust face to face and get legit quality gear I would do it in a heartbeat, seems like great fun.

[Nirvana]

but muscle isnt permanent either...

you know what I mean

[Bam-bam]

you know what I mean

What is more of a burden, working out 5x per week or doing 1-2 light maintence cycles per year? Only thing permanent is silicone, the real thing, whether consturcted clean or with some extra test, is the last permanent thing there is.

[Nirvana]

you know what I mean

[Firemuscle]

only 1 issue I have with juice

it's not permanent

I'm not superficial enough.

 That's another reason why I don't want to do it.

 I'm not into eating and lifting like a bodybuilders 24/7/365. Sometimes I just like to take breaks from the whole thing.

 If I do gear and make awesome gains i'll probably just lose them later when I travel or relax on my regimen.

 I would only do gear if I was settled down in a situation where I could keep the gains. But if you want to have fun in life, sometimes you gotta break free from the ball and chain for a while and mix it up.

 Building and keeping big muscles takes too much work and energy everyday. For certain lifestyles it just doesn't match.

[no one]

Thanks bro.....I`ll increase dosages when I stop responding.

Sustanon alone right now and retaining size while dieting and getting stronger almost daily.

lol- makes you wonder why the hell you ever stopped in the first place eh?

 

[Bam-bam]

no I dont, really. You should think about juice just as some protein sup that is really 1000% more effective than the others