Question to ex-juicers and naturals

[no one]

every single time he come with this androgel sentence almost like its locked into his getbig sentences and he just attach it lol ,,hward stop with the balonie,, i trained many true naturals ,,they lose muscle like there is no tomorrow the moment they skip on meals and especialy moment they skip the gym for over 5 days lol they lose weight so fast its not even funny,,and if they dont they become soft and fatter,,the ones who fight it do not remain same bodyfat ,,they become skinny fat in record time ,,or just their good ole obese..ya know who im talkin about the 247 lb 5'11 fellas that have 24% bodyfat yet their arms look somewhat toned because they hodl some muscle there lol ,,you know exactly who im talking about ,,,no chest soft chest ,,,delts full of fat ,,,idsection of obese 260 lb woman ,,but the arms look decent and make them look 13% lol you know who they are lol ,,yes they are naturals but look what they look like lol

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i'd say this is true somewhat even for guys who sauce. i find when im dieting, if im not getting all my fats in say for 3-4 days in a row- i like very low carb/ very high fat- it'll be nothing for me to lose fullness and about 3-4 pounds of scale weight. but the loss of fullness from the lack of fats is most noticeable.

[James28]

You're talking a load of shit gh15.

I've had lay-offs longer than 4 weeks where I, at most, dropped 3-4 pounds which would mostly be just water as I come off the creatine as well. I gained everything back within a week. If you want to be taken seriously, stop talking out of your ass. The only thing that's rougher for us would be getting fat due to keeping up the volume of eating we do and NOT training (e.g, lay-offs). But I have an idea that would be the same for the 'users'. If I have breaks away from the gym, I immediately drop my calorie intake and still keep up the light cardio 4 times a week.

You've gone and picked the worst possible examples.

[Ex Coelis]

steroids allow you to look great and have a life

[Bam-bam]

Yeah, I guess you’d feel great while on but at some point you’ll have to come off.. and then you’re f*cked! back in a worse spot than when you began - with the hormonal profile of a girl scout, weeping at sunsets and how life sucks etc.…Not worth it!
I've got nothing against guys that use gear, have no moral issue with it. I've got friends that have gotten big time into it but they all seem to say the same  "when off gear training seems like a waste of time"
The whole scene always sounded in many aspects like Pandora’s box to me. I just question would it make me any happier..I don't think so, then what's the point? If you have aspirations to be a IFBB Pro like Jose then you have to make the decision to go that road..But otherwise I think you're adding way too much value to being temporarily jacked up. Good luck

The best deal is if you already know how to train/rest/eat and have a solid natural base, then you can use "maintance" doses every now and then and look phenomenol the whole year, big and ripped, and as Ex Coelis just said, actually having a life at the same time.  

[no one]

The best deal is if you already know how to train/rest/eat and have a solid natural base, then you can use "maintance" doses every now and then and look phenomenol the whole year, big and ripped, and as Ex Coelis just said, actually having a life at the same time.  

why arent you doing it then if it is so easy?

[James28]

The best deal is if you already know how to train/rest/eat and have a solid natural base, then you can use "maintance" doses every now and then and look phenomenol the whole year, big and ripped, and as Ex Coelis just said, actually having a life at the same time.  

Sorry to butt in, but why do you think natural lifters don't have a life? I train 3 times a week, 30min sessions. H.I.T. 2 warm up sets, one working set to failure and beyond. Smash it hard, get the fuck out. I walk/jog to the gym and back for my cardio. 3 miles in total. I eat healthy anyway so it's not like I'm making major sacrifices there. Mostly I eat 6 times a day, sometimes I can't. Who cares, I'm not an Olympia contender. Your muscles won't shrivel up and die if you don't eat every 3 hours on the dot. I take whey protein, creatine and Glutamine along with some multi's. It takes 2min swallowing it all down. I get on with my life. It may take me 5 years to look good instead of the 1 year it took the guy who shot up tiger juice, but hey, I've done my 5 years already, 3 times over, paid my dues and look solid. No reason to start doing it now.

I have ZERO issues with someone paying their dues first before injecting, I have major issues with newbies and idiots wanting to look for an easy way and inject from day one. It never works out for them anyway. Ever.

[Bam-bam]

why arent you doing it then if it is so easy?

Where did I say it was easy? Also, Im still in the process of building a natural base and figuring out things as far as training schedule and nutrition goes. I used to be from that school of ballloing in offseason and stuff, getting very bloated during bulking cycles. Now Im learning more about trenbolone and short acting test esthers, getting more quality gains without the ballon effect - which is perfect because one thing that was holding me from juicing again is the fact that that off season look would kill me professionally.

I say Im getting close to getting down to business though.

What kind of foods you use for the fats you mentioned earlier?

[Bam-bam]

Sorry to butt in, but why do you think natural lifters don't have a life? I train 3 times a week, 30min sessions. H.I.T. 2 warm up sets, one working set to failure and beyond. Smash it hard, get the fuck out. I walk/jog to the gym and back for my cardio. 3 miles in total. I eat healthy anyway so it's not like I'm making major sacrifices there. Mostly I eat 6 times a day, sometimes I can't. Who cares, I'm not an Olympia contender. Your muscles won't shrivel up and die if you don't eat every 3 hours on the dot. I take whey protein, creatine and Glutamine along with some multi's. It takes 2min swallowing it all down. I get on with my life. It may take me 5 years to look good instead of the 1 year it took the guy who shot up tiger juice, but hey, I've done my 5 years already, 3 times over, paid my dues and look solid. No reason to start doing it now.

I have ZERO issues with someone paying their dues first before injecting, I have major issues with newbies and idiots wanting to look for an easy way and inject from day one. It never works out for them anyway. Ever.

Ok I was kinda of joking about not having a life but I think you get the point. I train 5x per week and I feel it takes a precious part of the time of my day, hours that I could be using for getting the extra edge in my profession. I ageee 100% with your last phrase.

[Nirvana]

no,,naturals lose their gains the fastest moment stop traiing,,natural at 180 with fast metabolizm will lose gains very fast into the 160s2-3 weeks,,

hormonized will lose more gains because he gained more gains...but his loss will be slower  due to blood having still hormones in it at higher levels,,


both will lose,,the homnized lifter will look much lelss impressive though after they lose their gains

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hasn't happened to me yet.

i take a month off every now and then and keep all gains.

[dj181]

hasn't happened to me yet.

i take a month off every now and then and keep all gains.

But are you in a very conditioned state? Meaning sitting at around 6-7% bodyfat.

[gh15]

You're talking a load of shit gh15.

I've had lay-offs longer than 4 weeks where I, at most, dropped 3-4 pounds which would mostly be just water as I come off the creatine as well. I gained everything back within a week. If you want to be taken seriously, stop talking out of your ass. The only thing that's rougher for us would be getting fat due to keeping up the volume of eating we do and NOT training (e.g, lay-offs). But I have an idea that would be the same for the 'users'. If I have breaks away from the gym, I immediately drop my calorie intake and still keep up the light cardio 4 times a week.

You've gone and picked the worst possible examples.

i never pick bad examples,,not when it cxome to bodyuild ,,thats what im make my living off....the reason one wil remain same weight...not size but weight...is due to increase in fat and adipose tissue while off training while truly natural...the reason you dont see big diff in yuro case is because you are not singl digit,,im talkin about conditioned bodybuilders,,CONDITIONED BODYBUILDERS!,,your all way of attitude the wy you write here tell me you are mid doubles,,mid doubles to high doubles look the same wether working out or guy but look the same,,

anyne who does any cardio as natural is chubb chubb as in 15% or so ,,singles digit fellas do not touch cardio,,they may say they do it come to gym couple days do it 3 -4 times and quit,,not enough muscle to hold when natural ,,need to cherish eveyr little bit youi have,,


i never talk about of my ass,, just make sure you read bible insted of arguing with me,,i come off arrogant because im givign you my time here out of generousity ,,so i can come off how ever i feel like,,

appriciate it dont abuse it

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[dj181]

,,singles digit fellas do not touch cardio,,

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Are you talking about naturals here?

[Nirvana]

But are you in a very conditioned state? Meaning sitting at around 6-7% bodyfat.

yes I have high metabolism.  very lean

3 good sized meals a day with all the macros and you should be fine.