DorianYates trains Evan Centopani at his Temple gym,May 2011

[Meso_z]

HAHAHAAHAAAHAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HERE'S "doz"   doing "strict" barbell rows.....LOLOLOLOLOL.  

He's almost standing straight up and down,and moves the bar about ten inches... that's more of a shrug than a row where i come from. You fucking fanboys need to open your eyes. I can that with 315 and I'm natural.  the man's strength is nothing special....considering the amount of anabolic agents coursing through his bloodstream.

The "myth" surrounding Yates' training is just another marketing angle....he's soooooooo intense.   Why, because he's ugly and makes faces when he's straining.....and there is an idiot yelling at him ?

Ronnie laughs his way through Superhuman workouts, he's trying just as hard...he's just not a wimp.

Anyway...here's mr "blood and guts"  

Wasnt Dorian supposed to train with "textbook" form? lol..those "shrows" are not textbook. And then, to get away with that, they simply named it the "Yates row". rofl.

[Nasty Nate]

You guys can't be serious... Dorian, a pussy?   ... any pro's that have trained with him said it was more difficult than their own style of training and that it was humbling. I'm not talking about Ronnie at all in this post, but everyone knows Dorian trained hard.

[Coach is Back!]

 You have just proven yourself to be a complete fucking moron who knows nothing about bodybuilding. Dorian was weak? He was one of the strongest pros ever. Ronnie just happened to be one of the very few pros who was stronger than him. Dorian regularly did sets of decline bench press with 425 lbs for 8 super-strict reps. He barbell rowed 450 lbs for the same number of reps whilst keeping his back straight as an arrow. These are weights not far beneath what Ronnie used. In fact, Ronnie was only truly stronger than Dorian in the squat and deadlift, which is not surprising since Dorian didn't squat due to a knee injury he suffered years ago and he only did stiff-legged deadlift and not regular deadlifts. In the military press, bench press, barbell row, etc, Dorian used weights only about 50 lbs lighter than Ronnie's, and he used much stricter form. When you factor in cheating, Ronnie was probably only slightly stronger than Dorian in these exercises if at all.

  And no, Ronnie wouldn't find Dorian's style of training a breeze. You keep talking about the much heavier weights that Ronnie used, but what you forget is that if Ronnie used strict form and rested only 40 seconds between sets like Dorian, he wouldn't be able to use the same weights he uses. Ronnie was notorious for using shitty form and resting several minutes between sets. Guess what? Dorian would also use heavier weights if he used sloppy form and rested several minutes between sets like Ronnie.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.

2. For both you and Groink...it's fucking bodybuilding not powerlifting so, again........who gives a shit.

[Palpatine Q]

1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.

2. For both you and Groink...it's fucking bodybuilding not powerlifting so, again........who gives a shit.

Decline useless.......remind me never to hire you as a trainer

[the_swami]

  No, because Dorian didn't have Ronnie's strength so he could never lift the poundages that Ronnie could - except on back exercises at which Dorian and Ronnie were roughly as strong. But weights and intensity are two different things. A powerlifter can bench 750 lbs raw for a single after doing 6 light warmup sets where he stops three reps short of failure and rests 6 minutes between sets, and that is not an intense workout. Dorian would take each set past failure with perfect form and rest no more than 40 seconds between sets. Ronnie was stronger, but he probably couldn't handle Dorian's style of training for very long. Ronnie in fact loved to do drop sets and other techniques that allow you to keep training whilst decreasing intensity.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Dorian and ronnie roughly as strong opn back exercises??!!!!

WTF??
get of the crack pipe
DOrian was weak compared to ROnnie

[the_swami]

Dorian trained like a bitch. He was weak for his size. Big fucking deal, he made some faces the last few reps because he was weak. Ronnie would laugh as he was doing 20 reps with the weight Dorian had to kill himself to get 8 with

very true
LEvrone was also much much stronger than dorian

[Coach is Back!]

There is no value what so ever in a decline press exept ego because someone could do a heavy rep with a 4" ROM. Please, tell me the purpose and don't give this "it develops the lower pec" crap.

[Palpatine Q]

There is no value what so ever in a decline press exept ego because someone could do a heavy rep with a 4" ROM. Please, tell me the purpose and don't give this "it develops the lower pec" crap.

It develops the lower pec

[Coach is Back!]

It develops the lower pec

LOL....bullshit. Either you have the genetics for it or you don't.

[suckmymuscle]

  Saying that Dorian Yates was "weak as shit" is so retarded that it boggles my comprehension. I am sorry, but someone who benches 405 lbs for reps with the bar touching the chest is not weak by any standards except that of gorillas. How many pros besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson can bench more than this for 8 strict reps?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Coach is Back!]

 Saying that Dorian Yates was "weak as shit" is so retarded that it boggles my comprehension. I am sorry, but someone who benches 405 lbs for reps with the bar touching the chest is not weak by any standards except that of gorillas. How many pros besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson can bench more than this for 8 strict reps?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I guess you missed the post where i said it's bodybuilding and not powerlifting. It's about muscle development not strength or power.

[Palpatine Q]

 Saying that Dorian Yates was "weak as shit" is so retarded that it boggles my comprehension. I am sorry, but someone who benches 405 lbs for reps with the bar touching the chest is not weak by any standards except that of gorillas. How many pros besides Ronnie and Johnny Jackson can bench more than this for 8 strict reps?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

He didn't bench it for one strict rep...his training partner had his hands on the bar assisting from the first rep.....video don't lie, assbreath

[suckmymuscle]

I guess you missed the post where i said it's bodybuilding and not powerlifting. It's about muscle development not strength or power.

  Absolutely. But I still wanted to comment on his remark that Dorian is "weak as shit" because it is too stupid to let pass.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

He didn't bench it for one strict rep...his training partner had his hands on the bar assisting from the first rep.....video don't lie, assbreath

  Yeah, he got one of the thickest pectorals ever and one of the best side chests mandatories ever by having his training partner lift the bar for him. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? And how can you judge how much his training partner is helping him from this video? He is only touching the bar. I hardly think he is giving Dorian any significant help. If he were, he would be grabbing the bar and not just touching it, and he would be deadlifting it for Dorian and not just standing back comfortably as he is and making no effort. Pay attention, dummy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Palpatine Q]

 Yeah, he got one of the thickest pectorals ever and one of the best side chests mandatories ever by having his training partner lift the bar for him. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? And how can you judge how much his training partner is helping him from this video? He is only touching the bar. I hardly think he is giving Dorian any significant help. If he were, he would be grabbing the bar and not just touching it, and he would be deadlifting it for Dorian and not just standing back comfortably as he is and making no effort. Pay attention, dummy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

He got his pectorals from ingesting massive amounts of steroids.... and you can't judge how much help his partner was giving any more than i can. I can give significant assistance with one finger.

Fact is....his hands are on the bar= not clean reps...Universal law, no disputing it. Maybe if you ever set foot in a gym you would know all of this. But being that you are just some tool with a vivid imagination, I guess that's asking too much  

[suckmymuscle]

He got his pectorals from ingesting massive amounts of steroids.... and you can't judge how much help his partner was giving any more than i can. I can give significant assistance with one finger.

Fact is....his hands are on the bar= not clean reps...Universal law, no disputing it. Maybe if you ever set foot in a gym you would know all of this. But being that you are just some tool with a vivid imagination, I guess that's asking too much  

  You are melting down pretty badly tonight, dude. Seriously. And I can judge very well how much help his training partner is giving him by observing that he is touching the bar with his fingers only and that he is not making much effort in moving the bar up and down. This tells me he is helping Dorian very little. If he were helping a lot, he would be grabbing the bar and not only touching it and making great body movements which would indicate effort. And a strict rep is defined as not using your momentum to move the bar and using a full range of motion. There is nothing saying that a rep where you don't use momentum and use a full range of motion is not a strict rep because you are receiving a little help from a training partner.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Palpatine Q]

 You are melting down pretty badly tonight, dude. Seriously. And I can judge very well how much help his training partner is giving him by observing that he is touching the bar with his fingers only and that he is not making much effort in moving the bar up and down. This tells me he is helping Dorian very little. If he were helping a lot, he would be grabbing the bar and not only touching it and making great body movements which would indicate effort. And a strict rep is defined as not using your momentum to move the bar and using a full range of motion. There is nothing saying that a rep where you don't use momentum and use a full range of motion is not a strict rep because you are receiving a little help from a training partner.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

That's a nice little paragraph of bullshit you put together, but the original point was whether or not he was being helped, and how strong he is. He does strict reps....BFD. He can't do them by himself  

Thank you for conceding that he had help, and that he can't get those reps clean...I guess that makes me the winner of this debate and you the loser.

Also...I've spotted hundreds of people. I'm a big, strong guy....just like Leon there. And i have NEVER made "great body movements that indicate great effort" when i spot someone, i can give PLENTY of help with a fingertip spot. Maybe if you worked out you would know that  

PS....I'm pretty sure they both knew the cameras were rolling 

[Parker]

99.9 % of people would training stupidly like Ronnie does - Dorian trains with correct form stretching and squeezing the muscle how it's meant to be done 

Dorian tore a bicep, then a tricep...strict form or not, he was tearing muscles just like Ronnie...except Ronnie has a torn tricep, and lat and a herniated disc...

[maxer]

That's a nice little paragraph of bullshit you put together, but the original point was whether or not he was being helped, and how strong he is. He does strict reps....BFD. He can't do them by himself  

Thank you for conceding that he had help, and that he can't get those reps clean...I guess that makes me the winner of this debate and you the loser.

Also...I've spotted hundreds of people. I'm a big, strong guy....just like Leon there. And i have NEVER made "great body movements that indicate great effort" when i spot someone, i can give PLENTY of help with a fingertip spot. Maybe if you worked out you would know that  

PS....I'm pretty sure they both knew the cameras were rolling 

we dont need to hear about your personal life....

[mesmorph78]

He got his pectorals from ingesting massive amounts of steroids.... and you can't judge how much help his partner was giving any more than i can. I can give significant assistance with one finger.

Fact is....his hands are on the bar= not clean reps...Universal law, no disputing it. Maybe if you ever set foot in a gym you would know all of this. But being that you are just some tool with a vivid imagination, I guess that's asking too much  

Agree hand on the bar not a clean rep simple

[MB]

1. Decline is one of the most useless exercises ever. So who gives a shit.

2. For both you and Groink...it's fucking bodybuilding not powerlifting so, again........who gives a shit.

Depends on the angle of decline.  Most gyms have a useless decline bench set way too steep, but a slight decline of about 5° is superior to flat bench. 

[Grape Ape]

LOL....bullshit. Either you have the genetics for it or you don't.

x2.   All the declines in the world aren't going to give lower pec development if the insertions are wrong.  Ask Matt C.

[Palpatine Q]

Depends on the angle of decline.  Most gyms have a useless decline bench set way too steep, but a slight decline of about 5° is superior to flat bench. 

This.....Ironically I started doing them after I read an article where Yates suggested them.

What I do is take two 25s and put them under one end of the bench....bingo

[Shockwave]

x2.   All the declines in the world aren't going to give lower pec development if the insertions are wrong.  Ask Matt C.

Dorian claimed that the decline bench uses less shoulder and tricep involvement, and really puts the strain on the pec muscles, he also says that it has nothing to do with lower pec development.

[Grape Ape]

Dorian claimed that the decline bench uses less shoulder and tricep involvement, and really puts the strain on the pec muscles, he also says that it has nothing to do with lower pec development.

Yes.  I was just going to post this.  The superiority is in terms of less injury risk.  Agree with the other guys about the slight decline instead of the steep one.