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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #100 on: June 05, 2011, 09:56:35 PM »
I do not tuck tail and run, especially when I know I am fucking right.

If you haters really need to see an example, I will fucking give you one.

I just had the best workout in the last 5 years, fueled by hatred of the ignorance and stupidity I have been seeing on this forum.

I only have myself to blame that I cannot show you all a better clean physique, and admit that I am a disgrace with respect to what I have been given.

I aim to take some pictures tomorrow at the gym, I haven't really figured out how to take good pictures but I am sure I can get the hang of it. I always look great in the mirror but shitty in pictures, and cannot figure out why. Have to check around for respectable lighting...

I am going to log off for the night by saying this- I will crush all of your pessimistic expectations. All of the crap I keep reading just motivates me to no end, and if that is what it takes to get my ass in the gym then so be it! Whatever it takes!



Not knocking your character or integrity, just reminding you that this is the thunderdome.

What you say is true, just to a much lesser degree. Drugs play way more than what you give credit for. You attribute training and diet as being way more I important than they really are. Get lean, blast drugs and blow up lean. No more bulking and cutting once you have a foundation, just growing lagging parts and leaning back out when you get too bloofy. No wasting time being hyper analytical and shit like liar Nortrom preaches.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2011, 10:13:47 PM »
I am really starting to wonder about getbig...

I get it, steroids cause all muscle gain, without them gains are impossible, if you will not post pictures it is because you are a liar, and if you have been training a long time, you MUST be huge, because no one in their right mind ever has changing goals in life.

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« Reply #102 on: June 05, 2011, 10:34:08 PM »
You're a good dude MM, but try as you may, and even "willling" yourself into it, won't make it so, if you get my drift? I've been spouting off lately about how I will have a 16 inch lean and conditioned arm at 165 @ 8% Well man, in all honesty it most likely ain't gonna happen, even though I was really trying to "will" myself into believing that it was so... Here is a pic of me from some years back with 14.5 inch conditoned arms, and in this photo I weighed 158 @ 8% Yeah fellas I know, brutual left quad :P But I can thank 2 basketball knee injuries and surgeries for my mangeled left quad :'(

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #103 on: June 05, 2011, 10:37:25 PM »
You're a good dude MM, but try as you may, and even "willling" yourself into it, won't make it so, if you get my drift? I've been spouting off lately about how I will have a 16 inch lean and conditioned arm at 165 @ 8% Well man, in all honesty it most likely ain't gonna happen, even though I was really trying to "will" myself into believing that it was so... Here is a pic of me from some years back with 14.5 inch conditoned arms, and in this photo I weighed 158 @ 8% Yeah fellas I know, brutual left quad :P But I can thank 2 basketball knee injuries and surgeries for my mangeled left quad :'(
Thats not Robert Powell in Jesus of Nazareth.  ;D

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #104 on: June 05, 2011, 10:57:00 PM »
Thats not Robert Powell in Jesus of Nazareth.  ;D

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #105 on: June 05, 2011, 10:58:17 PM »
You're a good dude MM, but try as you may, and even "willling" yourself into it, won't make it so, if you get my drift? I've been spouting off lately about how I will have a 16 inch lean and conditioned arm at 165 @ 8% Well man, in all honesty it most likely ain't gonna happen, even though I was really trying to "will" myself into believing that it was so... Here is a pic of me from some years back with 14.5 inch conditoned arms, and in this photo I weighed 158 @ 8% Yeah fellas I know, brutual left quad :P But I can thank 2 basketball knee injuries and surgeries for my mangeled left quad :'(

Our genetics are nothing alike. I am sorry, but your body is nothing like mine.

Not long ago I was 195@ 8% and I am 5ft9. I suppose saying all this is just moot without pictures to back it up, and I hate taking pictures, so it's a bit of a conundrum.

I will deal with it.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #106 on: June 05, 2011, 11:03:49 PM »
You're a good dude MM, but try as you may, and even "willling" yourself into it, won't make it so, if you get my drift? I've been spouting off lately about how I will have a 16 inch lean and conditioned arm at 165 @ 8% Well man, in all honesty it most likely ain't gonna happen, even though I was really trying to "will" myself into believing that it was so... Here is a pic of me from some years back with 14.5 inch conditoned arms, and in this photo I weighed 158 @ 8% Yeah fellas I know, brutual left quad :P But I can thank 2 basketball knee injuries and surgeries for my mangeled left quad :'(

see if you could blew up from this picture...you would never hear now day anyone laugh at you ,,if you could get on the right hormones then...you would be sitting now winnign a local show or maybe even regional on your way to place 15th in national show or who knows maybe better,,you needed years of training but you were at the level of leaness to blow up,, this is truly natural by the way ,,it can be little better with little more thickness truly naturaly but we talking few lbs of muscle,,over all you got the abs going with the sucked in pehomenon that is very goo dfor natural ,,and from this to blow up is very easy ,,this thing is 180lb 5-6% in no time,,im talking 3-4 weeks on the right legit hormones


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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #107 on: June 06, 2011, 01:04:36 AM »
Our genetics are nothing alike. I am sorry, but your body is nothing like mine.

Not long ago I was 195@ 8% and I am 5ft9. I suppose saying all this is just moot without pictures to back it up, and I hate taking pictures, so it's a bit of a conundrum.

I will deal with it.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #108 on: June 06, 2011, 03:21:36 AM »
You do lose SOME muscle when you stop lifting. I'm not claiming you keep all of it.

 But I do think most people keep about 80-90% of it.

 Lost of people here talk as though you will lose most of it or almost all of it. I think this is simply bullshit.

 Almost all my American buddies lift weights and the naturals always look about the same size. The only ones i've seen shrink way down are the guys who blew up on gear and then went off.
No, you don't keep 90% of your muscle... that is ridiculous... Problem here, about plateau, is that most guys don't even reach their natural plateaus, training light and no intensity, starting drugs very soon... Reaching natural plateau is a good thing, it means that you are ready to take the next step, it means that you have good foundations to get in the "highway"...
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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #109 on: June 06, 2011, 03:32:21 AM »
No, you don't keep 90% of your muscle... that is ridiculous... Problem here, about plateau, is that most guys don't even reach their natural plateaus, training light and no intensity, starting drugs very soon... Reaching natural plateau is a good thing, it means that you are ready to take the next step, it means that you have good foundations to get in the "highway"...

Yes, it's much much better to break a few plateaus (strength/size-wise) before hitting the gear.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #110 on: June 06, 2011, 04:19:13 AM »
Obviously I do not look like a pro bodybuilder nor goodrum...What the fuck standards are those? I even admitted recently I took 2 months off, and have just gotten back to training. I am 30 years old, and a full time student. What exactly are you expecting?

Typical backpedaling bullshitter......from "I crush plateaus ...you guys don't know shit"....to..."I'm just getting back into it after a long layoff"   fucking people should learn how to STFU around here....but everyone has to be an authority

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #111 on: June 06, 2011, 04:24:55 AM »
Typical backpedaling bullshitter......from "I crush plateaus ...you guys don't know shit"....to..."I'm just getting back into it after a long layoff"   fucking people should learn how to STFU around here....but everyone has to be an authority

Guy's an alcoholic that admitted he cannot stay away from booze for more than a few weeks, then goes on a drinking spree and probably wakes up in his own puke for weeks.


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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #112 on: June 06, 2011, 04:38:41 AM »
Great post man.

Uh....aren't you the guy who said "strength=bigger muscles" ?  do you even understand his post?

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #113 on: June 06, 2011, 04:59:56 AM »
Guy's an alcoholic that admitted he cannot stay away from booze for more than a few weeks, then goes on a drinking spree and probably wakes up in his own puke for weeks.


And makes posts on here that flip flop all over the place.

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« Reply #114 on: June 06, 2011, 05:00:59 AM »
Uh....aren't you the guy who said "strength=bigger muscles" ?  do you even understand his post?


Yeah I understood it, and I'll admit that I was wrong with my "strength=bigger muscles" mantra.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2011, 05:13:31 AM »
lol. just to recap.

1. A month ago he was on way to being a natural.
2. A few days ago he starts a thread about getting back into after a couple of months off.
3. He crushed plateaus.
4. Once you stop taking "gear" you will not lose the muscles, even though the hormones generated the muscle. His body defies logic.
5. He won't post pic because the batteries are dead or because "it will prove nothing"
6. If you want proof come and work out with him.


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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2011, 08:31:13 PM »
You most definitely can make appreciable gains without steroids.

You will never look remotely like a Pro BB without them.


If you have spent a lifetime of working out and you have the right genetics and education (knowledge base)- you will be able to build a physique that would elicit page upon page of arguments here on Getbig.


Some of us just don't want to defend ourselves. No point. People will believe what they are going to believe.


It IS MOST DEFINITELY POSSIBLE TO BUILD A HEAD-TURNING PHYSIQUE WITHOUT STEROIDS!



Believe it or not. The arguement should be in your work ethic and committment (basically the same thing)



Me? I swam AAU and USA up to Far Westerns and Nationals for over 13 years. Then I started bodybuilding, but I already had a good solid build with low bodyfat. I had an "edge"

When I was a kid, my dad had me chopping Almond wood every weekend for months on end with an axe. I had a six pack (eight pack) at 10 years old.


You have to add up all the contributing factors. My mom made home-cooked healthy meals for a lifetime. No junkfood. My dad was a dentist so sugary foods were tabboo in my house.

It all makes a difference.


I would love to add Test and HGH my physique, but I am nearly 50 and I don't compete. I have other things to spend money on that won't hurt me physically (hopefully)


So many variables in this game.


The most popular topics here these days are: "Is this guy, dude, chick, whatever... NATURAL????" or "Can you build a physique like this naturally?"


Who do you think knows the true answer to those questions? Gh15? Ron? Chick? Me?


How about the guy who built the physique?


Then all of a sudden the topic changes its ugly face to "liars"



No closure or resolution here in this forum.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2011, 08:37:48 PM »
Maybe some people here don't want to work out for 30 years to get a "head-turning physique" that gets owned by ANY dude training for three years and doing one cycle of steroids?


Head-turning physique on your sunday excursion to the church's parking lot sale, but no one will tunr their heads when you step a foot into the gym.

And that's the truth, and nothing to argue about it.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #118 on: June 06, 2011, 09:36:59 PM »
Yeah I understood it, and I'll admit that I was wrong with my "strength=bigger muscles" mantra.

Good man. I gave you such a hard time because I use to be where you were at. A die hard Mentzer disciple. The stronger you get the bigger you get. I use to criticize other's training program because it wasn't progressive. That they weren't improving. Getting stronger, getting bigger. Until I realize that neither was I. Force reps, drop sets, negatives, partials up the ass until it brought tears to my eyes. I remember getting off a series of 3 drop sets that included force reps and negatives (they had a handle attached so you could help yourself raise the weight) along with some rest pause. When I got off the machine to head for the Nautilus leg press my legs buckled under me and I collapse to the ground. It was kind of embarrassing but after about 30 seconds I could walk again and hit the leg press. Same thing, did force reps by pushing on my knees followed by rest pause. Just this one super set for quads but if this wasn't growth stimulating I don't know what is. I had the next couple of days off which was great because I could barely walk the next day. So I just spent that weekend sitting around the house eating like a pig and measuring my quads. As Mentzer said, if the the work out stimulates growth the adaptive response should be quick and dramatic.

LOL! Nothing. Always nothing. But I still kept at it. Bad genetics so it would just take longer. The theory sounded so logical and fool proof. If the training was sound the only difference between a natural and enhance trainee was that it took the natural longer to achieve the same results. That's what I always thought steroids did. Speed up recovery. A natural just can't train as much and needs more recovery but he will get there if he is determined and patient. And I could see the proof with my own eyes. Some incredible natural physiques were built using Mentzer/Jones' principles. Casey was one of them. Except they were lying. They were all lying. Even Mentzer lied as when Brian Johnson said years after Mentzer's death that he was with Mentzer at Gold's as Mentzer was planning his come back. Not stage come back but just to get back in shape and show proof of his Heavy Duty system to boost his training business. As they were walking in the parking lot Mentzer saw his "friend" and immediately made a bee line to him. This was Mentzer's friend and everybody's friend. The friend with the gym bag that everybody loved. And it wasn't the friend they loved. It was the gym bag.

And I was already in my forties when I read that incident by Brain Johnson and I was still a bit shocked and surprised. That even Mentzer lied. My teenage hero lied just like everybody else.
I felt like such a sucker.

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #119 on: June 06, 2011, 09:54:02 PM »
You most definitely can make appreciable gains without steroids.

You will never look remotely like a Pro BB without them.


If you have spent a lifetime of working out and you have the right genetics and education (knowledge base)- you will be able to build a physique that would elicit page upon page of arguments here on Getbig.


Some of us just don't want to defend ourselves. No point. People will believe what they are going to believe.


It IS MOST DEFINITELY POSSIBLE TO BUILD A HEAD-TURNING PHYSIQUE WITHOUT STEROIDS!



Believe it or not. The arguement should be in your work ethic and committment (basically the same thing)



Me? I swam AAU and USA up to Far Westerns and Nationals for over 13 years. Then I started bodybuilding, but I already had a good solid build with low bodyfat. I had an "edge"

When I was a kid, my dad had me chopping Almond wood every weekend for months on end with an axe. I had a six pack (eight pack) at 10 years old.


You have to add up all the contributing factors. My mom made home-cooked healthy meals for a lifetime. No junkfood. My dad was a dentist so sugary foods were tabboo in my house.

It all makes a difference.


I would love to add Test and HGH my physique, but I am nearly 50 and I don't compete. I have other things to spend money on that won't hurt me physically (hopefully)


So many variables in this game.


The most popular topics here these days are: "Is this guy, dude, chick, whatever... NATURAL????" or "Can you build a physique like this naturally?"


Who do you think knows the true answer to those questions? Gh15? Ron? Chick? Me?


How about the guy who built the physique?


Then all of a sudden the topic changes its ugly face to "liars"



No closure or resolution here in this forum.

yes ,,you can build quite gfood physiqwe with out hormones,,yes!,,it will not be thick physiqe,,it wil nto be big physiqe ,, it wil be in conditioned physiqe that will give the illusion of more size than it truly is ,,USUALY 15 LB ILLUSION,, yes you will have to have some ingredients that will have to be there inorder to do it,,

1. tann ,,you will have to be on the beach a lot of finish the air spray bottles like a chica in heat,,
2. you will have to never skop a meal ,,you will have no life,,your only work wil be able to be in the gym in the counter,,or maybe bouncer for few hours at night ,,and by bouncer i mean looking at ids...or somethign easy that doewsnt take lots of effort,,
3. you will not be able to ever skip training,, moment you wil do you will not be fogivven like with hormones,,you will just suffer with your look
4. you will have window of opportuinity to take your shirt off and show your nice physiqe with some impressivness ,,,that window of opportuinity will be  5-8 min at the end of your work out when you are pumped...if lean enough ,,with the pump you will look very good,,after that 8 min you are back to flat fella that look like he doesnt work out or look fit and strong or look like he play sports...
5.   you will have to always be caqreful to not look too flat,,yet no matter how much you wil be caqrefull you will ALWAYS LOOK FLAT
6. you will look impressive with your condition yet moment you turn dise ways you will dissapear,,there wil be no thickness to the physiq,, the thickness wil be from temporqry pump and thats it!
7. you will have to take halodrol inorder to get to the next level ,,and halodrol is a drug ,,so you become hormone user...that is still natural
8. the usage of creatine will put such a hole in your pocket and for what? only god knows.. since no matter how good you lok at 180 something ...you still dont look thick ,,you look athletic you look dense if in condition ,,you look muscular and built and ripped...yet not thick lean ,,the impressivness talked about on this boardings we all on none stop is impressivness that has to do with BEING THICK AND LEAN AT THE SAME TIME,, it is nto achivable with out hormones,, and the ones who say they are thick and lean with out hormones LIE,,they may be clean but they are not NATURAL
9. you will be very strong naturaly ,,many naturlas are strong with good physiqe ,,but while you pull down 4 plates each side of the hammer...the210lb fella pull down 3 plates each side and look 20lb of lean tissue bigger and thicker than you ... with same bodyfat...so what exactly oyu achieve ? you look good btu he looks better! this is bodybuildign,,if you are same bodyfat....and you goto 20lb on someone then youre way bigger than that someone ...simple even if his arms are almost the size of yours when he is pumped and you are not ...bodyparrts means nothing,,the over all picture is whos body hold more lean muscle,,and what bodypart mesuere when in the same condition aka not pumped !
10. many years of training mean foundation yes,,but it also mean vry little progress if truly natural ,, it is very hard to get the human body off his wanting to be in status quo and return to it ,, the human body want to have only functional muscle,,if you arre natural ,,truly natural ,,and you dont have exact no life no partying no narcotics type of lie...you wil not advance even a little bit,,true naturals have no life,,they cant have life ,,they lose muscle from any little stress,, they cant be strssed,,they cant do many things that hormonized bodybuilders do ,,its just not worth it and very very few do it truly naturally ,,they usually dont compete ,,and the ones who do compete do it locally and lose befor they learn how to cheat the system with bunk urine test of a friend...inorder to pass as fake natural ,,alwyas been this way ,,always wil be this way ,,

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2011, 10:14:31 PM »
Allright, I have a question here. Is "spot gaining" really possible? I know that "spot loss" is a myth, but what about "spot gaining"? As some here already know, I'm trying to "spot gain" only on my arms and delts.

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« Reply #121 on: June 06, 2011, 10:19:29 PM »
Allright, I have a question here. Is "spot gaining" really possible? I know that "spot loss" is a myth, but what about "spot gaining"? As some here already know, I'm trying to "spot gain" only on my arms and delts.

no,,there is no such a thing as spot gaining ,,UNLESS you inject seo with aas into that spot,, the other option is to inject igf1 not lr3 but igf1 directly into the spot,, but since you talk about natural ,,there is no such a thing as spot gaining,,even hormonized fellas only gain spot gain from the 2 methods i mentiond,,

its is like the rumor you can have spot reduction bf from usage of growth hormone which is complete and utter lie,, you can not have spot reduction of fat with hgh ,,only over all body compsition ,,same as we profesionals prefer it into the muscle and not SQ,, yes some do it sq and some do it IV but we prefer hgh INTO THE MUSCLE ,,atleast the sucesful bodybuild im aware of including myself

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2011, 10:21:15 PM »
really only point to stay natural the first 5 years or so your lifting then get into hormones, no real reason to lift natural your whole life, just is like running on a hamster wheel.


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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #123 on: June 06, 2011, 11:02:17 PM »
here's what I want to know: can your workouts still feel the same, as a natural, for years and years?  can you still get good pumps, a little soreness, and work up a good sweat in the gym -- even if you don't gain any size?

i ask because i'm almost content with my body, but during the last few years my workouts have really sucked.  it seems like no matter what i do, i can't even feel like i've worked hard.  it's like my body is revolting against me!  no pumps, no soreness -- is this my miserable fate?  i'm always experimenting with new things, and i think a couple of injuries / form problems may be the cause, but i'd like to hear what other people think.

can working out still feel as good as it did when i was gaining?  or at least similar, if less so?

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Re: breaking platue /bible index
« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2011, 11:07:21 PM »
really only point to stay natural the first 5 years or so your lifting then get into hormones, no real reason to lift natural your whole life, just is like running on a hamster wheel.


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