Question For gh15 RE: Powerlifters

[abijahmaniaco]

elite sports doesn't exist without drugs... thats the part that all the studies miss
now you still need talent, expert coaching, drive, practically decades of training and all that good stuff
but without the right drug regime all those fine qualities mean nothing
without drugs promising athletes stay promising, and
never ever reach the top
very sad, but also very true 

exactly

[gh15]

If that's the case, why do true naturals bust their balls for years, TRUE NATURALS, and can only bench 275, squat 315, and sit at 9% bf at the absolute lowest?  You know where these young naturals will be after another 10 years of training?  Same bf, most likely fatter, squat will be maybe 40lbs heavier and they'll finally hit 3 plates on the bench.  Coach, you should be banned for posting nonsense like this, idiot.

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very good very good,,

ill just slide away now quietly,, so my pupils can get the stage ,,

gh15 approved

[Hanuman]

athletes and coaches are very creative, especially when it comes to beating testing in
amateur/ olympic sports
now the drugs are minimal compared to bb dosages, which from an athletic point of view
are at insane levels  
but they are there and they are not just the finishing touch lol
that's not to say you can start injecting and become a star
no no, lots of "athletes" try that and fail miserably but
there is so much lying in the sports world it really is disgusting
bodybuilding and sports are closer than most ppl think
after all, the Balco 'project world record' team had Milos on as "nutritionist"  
and tim montgomery, a talented and accomplished sprinter, needed
insulin, EPO, growth hormone, "The Clear" and adrenaline to win the USA's in 2001
gh15 is more right than wrong  

[Hanuman]

Fuck those two drug addict assclowns.  

hahaha, those assclowns are super talented, highly trained athletes
it just turned out that one of them jumped on heavy doses first
and the much more talented one, couldnt stand to see a lesser talent
pass him by.... so he leveled the playing field even further
and kicked his ass... baseball wise that is
hope that helps 

[Fitness4Life]

hahaha, those assclowns are super talented, highly trained athletes
it just turned out that one of them jumped on heavy doses first
and the much more talented one, couldnt stand to see a lesser talent
pass him by.... so he leveled the playing field even further
and kicked his ass... baseball wise that is
hope that helps 

I don't follow baseball too much, but I'm sure those guys were GREAT athletes.  Only problem is that they were so great, that the heat was thrown at them, therefore they got caught.  Granted, everyone in the MLB is on the juice so they were never cheating, it's a level playing field.  These guys reached a great synergy of response to hormones and talent.

[Meso_z]

oh brother

[asbrus]

the reason why the season is shitty is because it is boring shitty game ,, i still havent met one international fella aside from the japs who like this stupid game ,,playing it ...maybe ,,watchin it is complete disaster,,

gh15 approved

WHAT W0ULD Y0U SAY ARE S0ME STRENGTH LIMITS F0R NATURALS?

[The RedMeatKid]

Gh15: the other question: are whites better genetically suited for POWERLIFTING than blacks?

[asbrus]

Gh15: the other question: are whites better genetically suited for POWERLIFTING than blacks?

0BVI0USLY. WHITES ARE STR0NGER IN GENERAL THAN BLACKS. L00K AT WEIGHTLIFTING. H0W MANY BLACK D0 Y0U SEE 0N T0P? P0WERLIFTING IS D0MINATED BY WHITES T00 AND RUSSIA WINS IPF EVERY YEAR WITH HARDLY ANY BLACK GUYS. EASTERN EUR0PEANS ARE THE STR0NGEST PE0PLE 0N EARTH IN TERMS 0F BRUTE STRENGTH.

[dj181]

Dear god, what was this fella on?

[The RedMeatKid]

Let's just wait and see what The Man has to say about this, shall we?

[Hanuman]

0BVI0USLY. WHITES ARE STR0NGER IN GENERAL THAN BLACKS. L00K AT WEIGHTLIFTING. H0W MANY BLACK D0 Y0U SEE 0N T0P? P0WERLIFTING IS D0MINATED BY WHITES T00 AND RUSSIA WINS IPF EVERY YEAR WITH HARDLY ANY BLACK GUYS. EASTERN EUR0PEANS ARE THE STR0NGEST PE0PLE 0N EARTH IN TERMS 0F BRUTE STRENGTH.

there are no genetic differences when it comes to strength or speed
look at the chinese,
before china decided they wanted all those pretty gold medals that olympic weightlifting had to offer
who would have guessed that chinese men were some of the strongest and most explosive athletes on the planet?
they dominate the mid to lower weight classes now
and they did it by bringing over bulgarian coaches first, then russians,
who were desperate for work and the best in the world
then copying their methods and pumping their best athletes full of the right drugs

[Hulkotron]

there are no genetic differences when it comes to strength or speed
look at the chinese,
before china decided they wanted all those pretty gold medals that olympic weightlifting had to offer
who would have guessed that chinese men were some of the strongest and most explosive athletes on the planet?
they dominate the mid to lower weight classes now
and they did it by bringing over bulgarian coaches first, then russians,
who were desperate for work and the best in the world
then copying their methods and pumping their best athletes full of the right drugs

Are you saying the key is to up the dosage?

[Hanuman]

lol no
u need the best coaches, the best athletes
and a government that will fund the whole thing
the rest is easy 

[asbrus]

there are no genetic differences when it comes to strength or speed
look at the chinese,
before china decided they wanted all those pretty gold medals that olympic weightlifting had to offer
who would have guessed that chinese men were some of the strongest and most explosive athletes on the planet?
they dominate the mid to lower weight classes now
and they did it by bringing over bulgarian coaches first, then russians,
who were desperate for work and the best in the world
then copying their methods and pumping their best athletes full of the right drugs

YES THERE IS. GENETICS IS EVERYTHING. JUST LIKE JAMAICANS AND AFRICANS ARE THE BEST SPRINTERS. IT'S GENETICS. WELL 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS M0RE TECHNICAL THAN BRUTE STRENGTH AND THE CHINESE D0MINATE MAINLY THE L0WER WEIGHT CLASSES BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL IN GENERAL. RUSSIANS,BULGARIANS,EASTERN EUR0PEANS ARE BIGGER AND D0MINATE THE HEAVIER WEIGHT CLASSES. SIMPLY PUT CHINESE ARE SMALL PE0PLE IN GENERAL S0 THEY D0MINATE THE L0WER WEIGHT CLASSES.

[Coach is Back!]

If that's the case, why do true naturals bust their balls for years, TRUE NATURALS, and can only bench 275, squat 315, and sit at 9% bf at the absolute lowest?  You know where these young naturals will be after another 10 years of training?  Same bf, most likely fatter, squat will be maybe 40lbs heavier and they'll finally hit 3 plates on the bench.  Coach, you should be banned for posting nonsense like this, idiot.

Now please tell me what the fuck does this have to do with my post? Who said anything about natural?

[dyslexic]

Another thing to consider is that most powerlifters prefer to stay in their weight class. They don't want to be the smallest guy in their weight class, and they don't want to be the biggest, moving on to the next.

As long as they can stay within limits and become stronger, they will win. Winning is $$$$$$$. They don't necessarily want size as much as strength.

Drugs that strengthen are going to be key, not drugs that promote size gains and push them out of their weight class. Tendon and ligament strengthening along with stronger muscles is much different than the objective of a Pro BB'r.

[asbrus]

Another thing to consider is that most powerlifters prefer to stay in their weight class. They don't want to be the smallest guy in their weight class, and they don't want to be the biggest, moving on to the next.

As long as they can stay within limits and become stronger, they will win. Winning is $$$$$$$. They don't necessarily want size as much as strength.

Drugs that strengthen are going to be key, not drugs that promote size gains and push them out of their weight class. Tendon and ligament strengthening along with stronger muscles is much different than the objective of a Pro BB'r.

HUH? SINCE WHEN D0 P0WERLIFTERS MAKE A L0T 0F M0NEY?

[Hanuman]

YES THERE IS. GENETICS IS EVERYTHING. JUST LIKE JAMAICANS AND AFRICANS ARE THE BEST SPRINTERS. IT'S GENETICS. WELL 0LYMPIC WEIGHTLIFTING IS M0RE TECHNICAL THAN BRUTE STRENGTH AND THE CHINESE D0MINATE MAINLY THE L0WER WEIGHT CLASSES BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL IN GENERAL. RUSSIANS,BULGARIANS,EASTERN EUR0PEANS ARE BIGGER AND D0MINATE THE HEAVIER WEIGHT CLASSES. SIMPLY PUT CHINESE ARE SMALL PE0PLE IN GENERAL S0 THEY D0MINATE THE L0WER WEIGHT CLASSES.

no, you see that's where you're wrong and where everyone is
completely confused!
elite sprinting is ALLLLLLL TECHNIQUE
nothing to do with genetics, just better coaching and virtually no real out of competition drug testing in Jamaica, for example
now as for weightlifting,
the chinese dominate the the lower weightclasses because they are better, stronger, more explosive
who dominated the lighter classes before the chinese?
the BULGARIANS AND RUSSIANS... until the chinese beat them at their own game
look at the world records
the change in weightlifting has nothing to do with genetics,  
and everything to do with the wall coming down in '89

[dj181]

Another thing to consider is that most powerlifters prefer to stay in their weight class. They don't want to be the smallest guy in their weight class, and they don't want to be the biggest, moving on to the next.

As long as they can stay within limits and become stronger, they will win. Winning is $$$$$$$. They don't necessarily want size as much as strength.

Drugs that strengthen are going to be key, not drugs that promote size gains and push them out of their weight class. Tendon and ligament strengthening along with stronger muscles is much different than the objective of a Pro BB'r.

And as far as weigh limits are concerned, it's best to weigh as much as possible while staying lean. For example when I used to do bp comps I would normally compete in the 165s, but when I had a bigger meet coming up I'd compete in the 148s. At that time I was 167 @ 8-10%, but then I'd lean out to 158 @ sub-6 and make the 48s by losing 10 pounds in less than 24 hours, no diuretics were used for this 10 pound loss by the way.

[asbrus]

no, you see that's where you're wrong and where everyone is
completely confused!
elite sprinting is ALLLLLLL TECHNIQUE
nothing to do with genetics, just better coaching and virtually no real out of competition drug testing in Jamaica, for example
now as for weightlifting,
the chinese dominate the the lower weightclasses because they are better, stronger, more explosive
who dominated the lighter classes before the chinese?
the BULGARIANS AND RUSSIANS... until the chinese beat them at their own game
look at the world records
the change in weightlifting has nothing to do with genetics,  
and everything to do with the wall coming down in '89

FIRST 0F ALL THE TESTING IS D0NE BY THE 0LYMPIC C0MMITTE N0T JAMAICA. ALL AFRICANS AND BLACKS ALWAYS GET FIRST. THE W0RLD REC0RDS ARE STILL D0MINATED BY THE RUSSIANS AND WHITES AT THE HEAVIER WEIGHT CLASSES. L0L SPRINTING IS ALL TECHNIQUE AND N0 GENETICS. ARE Y0U  FUCKING SERI0US? TECHNIQUE T0 RUN 100 METERS UNDER 10 SEC0NDS. IF Y0U ARE I'M D0NE HERE.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3183119.stm

[Hanuman]

FIRST 0F ALL THE TESTING IS D0NE BY THE 0LYMPIC C0MMITTE N0T JAMAICA. ALL AFRICANS AND BLACKS ALWAYS GET FIRST. THE W0RLD REC0RDS ARE STILL D0MINATED BY THE RUSSIANS AND WHITES AT THE HEAVIER WEIGHT CLASSES. L0L SPRINTING IS ALL TECHNIQUE AND N0 GENETICS. ARE Y0U  FUCKING SERI0US? TECHNIQUE T0 RUN 100 METERS UNDER 10 SEC0NDS. IF Y0U ARE I'M D0NE HERE.

hahah find someone who's run under 10.7 electronically timed
and ask them...or better yet ask a coach   who's developed athletes that have run those sorts of times

drugs, talent, etc. are NOT enough
allllllllllllllll technique,
that's why the general public thinks its genetics
they dont see the years and years of preparation that go into running a good time
easy sport, once you know how its done  

as for the testing, LOL do you think the IOC flies in drug testers from Switzerland to test the Jamaicans?
there's so called random out of competition testing in Jamaica but its done by
local representatives of the IOC and they NEVER EVER catch anyone
and remember, Marion Jones PASSED  over 150 IOC level tests
while drugged up to the max
poor girl, what they did to her was a fucking crime....
i hope that bastard graham rots in hell

[lowkey9]

Dear god, what was this fella on?

a shit ton of dbol

[cephissus]

the reason why the season is shitty is because it is boring shitty game ,, i still havent met one international fella aside from the japs who like this stupid game ,,playing it ...maybe ,,watchin it is complete disaster,,

gh15 approved

hahaha brilliant post

[dyslexic]

HUH? SINCE WHEN D0 P0WERLIFTERS MAKE A L0T 0F M0NEY?

I'm sorry. I read and re-read my post. Did I say "a lot" of money?


I trained an International title holder for years. His trips out of the country, meals, flights and motels were paid for. Expenses. I didn't say shit about "a lot" of money. He held down a regular job.


Google him. His name was Frank Beeler. I said "was"... cool?



Damn. Put words in my mouth. Winning is everything to most folks. Even Pro BB's don't make that much when it's all 'said and done' after you subtract expenses, health insurance, the cost of all the dope, food, etc.


Contracts. Geez.


Are you from this planet?