Was Mike Mentzer alone ?

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Yes he was..........built his main bulk on high volume for decades, and lots of gear.

Exactly. I've heard he had a set up in his home and would go to the gym and do a hit style workout in front of people but would then go home and do his real workout with Arnold posters on his wall. Strange dude.

[suckmymuscle]

Exactly. I've heard he had a set up in his home and would go to the gym and do a hit style workout in front of people but would then go home and do his real workout with Arnold posters on his wall. Strange dude.

  This is obviously a lie made up to stain his image. He went home and did his real workout with Arnold posters on the wall? That sounds completely over-the-top and far fetched.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Jadeveon Clowney]

Exactly. I've heard he had a set up in his home and would go to the gym and do a hit style workout in front of people but would then go home and do his real workout with Arnold posters on his wall. Strange dude.

that's what tommywishbone said too.

[funk51]

was he alone when he died?

he lived with his brother ray who died two days later.

[pellius]

  This is obviously a lie made up to stain his image. He went home and did his real workout with Arnold posters on the wall? That sounds completely over-the-top and far fetched.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hate to agree with Sucky but when you're right you're right. This notion that he built his physique on volume and then promoted Heavy Duty (That's what he called it at the time. Not HIT) as a marketing ploy to distinguish him from the crowd and contradict Weider and Arnold is simply made up. Most of you weren't even born or still in diapers when Mentzer came on the scene in the late 1970s. The first article that I read of his where he describes his journey literally spoke to me. He describe how he made great progress when he first started training as a teen using the typical beginner program of doing a full body workout 3x/wk. Then how he progressed (regressed?) to breaking up body parts so he could do more sets per body part and going to a 6 day/wk program like everybody else did. How he spent literally all his free time training doing set after set after set and going nowhere. No matter what he did he couldn't progress. Then he described his meeting up with Casey Viator and from there being introduced to Author Jones. And the rest is history.

The point is you could see the progress that he made under the tutelage of Jones. Mentzer was already a pretty advance young bodybuilder but you see how he thickened up and put on muscle mass over the years after meeting Jones. And I know there are those who say he still did volume if you count the warm up sets. But you don't count those sets. If your work set is 405 lbs on the squat for 10 reps you are not going to jump right on that after just getting out of bed or getting off work. But those warm up sets are not the same as what a typical bodybuilder did at the time. 

[240 is Back]

we all die alone.  even if youre surrounded by family, stacks of money, or drunken whores... it's your own little journey and nobody can do anything but try to make you feel good about it.

[tommywishbone]

that's what tommywishbone said too.

I did indeed know Mike reasonably well in his last few years. Strange cat all the way- but cool IMO. I can not confirm or denied Arnold posters in his home gym. LOL!

[wes]

Hate to agree with Sucky but when you're right you're right. This notion that he built his physique on volume and then promoted Heavy Duty (That's what he called it at the time. Not HIT) as a marketing ploy to distinguish him from the crowd and contradict Weider and Arnold is simply made up. Most of you weren't even born or still in diapers when Mentzer came on the scene in the late 1970s. The first article that I read of his where he describes his journey literally spoke to me. He describe how he made great progress when he first started training as a teen using the typical beginner program of doing a full body workout 3x/wk. Then how he progressed (regressed?) to breaking up body parts so he could do more sets per body part and going to a 6 day/wk program like everybody else did. How he spent literally all his free time training doing set after set after set and going nowhere. No matter what he did he couldn't progress. Then he described his meeting up with Casey Viator and from there being introduced to Author Jones. And the rest is history.

The point is you could see the progress that he made under the tutelage of Jones. Mentzer was already a pretty advance young bodybuilder but you see how he thickened up and put on muscle mass over the years after meeting Jones. And I know there are those who say he still did volume if you count the warm up sets. But you don't count those sets. If your work set is 405 lbs on the squat for 10 reps you are not going to jump right on that after just getting out of bed or getting off work. But those warm up sets are not the same as what a typical bodybuilder did at the time.  

I hate to disagree bro,but Mentzer came on the scene at the AAU Mr. America as early as 1971 and was not a small guy by any stretchh of the imagination............. won or competed as a teen in lots of contests in the late 1960`s- 1970  also.

Sure he progressed under Jones but he would have progressed anyway as he was young,hungry,and a gentic elite on juice!!

Not saying Jones sucked but I don`t give Mike and Ray or Casey all the credit for their builds just because of Jones HIT program.

I use some of Jones` principles in my training..........oddly enough,they are very similar to Girondas ideas as far as intensity and training fast,ie. less rest between sets goes.

Anyway,I still luv ya` my brother............. even if your ideas are skewed!!  LOL  


Just kidding bro,and you better know it!!  

[pellius]

I hate to disagree bro,but Mentzer came on the scene at the AAU Mr. America as early as 1971 and was not a small guy by any stretchh of the imagination............. won or competed as a teen in lots of contests in the late 1960`s- 1970  also.

Sure he progressed under Jones but he would have progressed anyway as he was young,hungry,and a gentic elite on juice!!

Not saying Jones sucked but I don`t give Mike and Ray or Casey all the credit for their builds just because of Jones HIT program.

I use some of Jones` principles in my training..........oddly enough,they are very similar to Girondas ideas as far as intensity and training fast,ie. less rest between sets goes.

Anyway,I still luv ya` my brother............. even if your ideas are skewed!!  LOL  


Just kidding bro,and you better know it!!  

THAT'S IT! One week from today. Internet pose down. Glute shots required!

[Viking11]

He didnt have a home gym- at least in the 90s when I knew him. How do Iknow?  Wel I was at place for a New years Party- wheme he lived in Marina Del Ray (He moved later). It was a cool tri level and I am nosy so I scoped out the whole palce with my wife.  No gym euipment or roid dispensers on the wall.  Beer and wine in fridge. Lots of DVds. Pretty normal overall for a bachelor in LA making bank. Where do people come UP with  some of this shiit I dunno..
PS Tim is right- he used volume for years- but started out three times a week 3 sets each exercise and gained much of his early gains that way- from 95 lbs to 165- age 12 to 15.  He then was doing so well, he INCREASED the volume- 6 days a week 2 hours a day or so and went from 175 to 185 from age 15 to age 19- not bad- but note, a much slower rate of progress.
He went to the 1971 A around this time, and met Casey...

[io856]

we all die alone.  even if youre surrounded by family, stacks of money, or drunken whores... it's your own little journey and nobody can do anything but try to make you feel good about it.

since when where you the fucking poet

nice

[Reeves]

we all die alone.  even if youre surrounded by family, stacks of money, or drunken whores... it's your own little journey and nobody can do anything but try to make you feel good about it.

Not so. My friend is Christian and says that so long as we have memories we will never die alone.  I believe him. 

[tbombz]

we all die alone.  even if youre surrounded by family, stacks of money, or drunken whores... it's your own little journey and nobody can do anything but try to make you feel good about it.

no one is ever alone 

[Doug_Steele]

no one is ever alone 

Yea, porn has gotten me through some rough times. 

[pellius]

He didnt have a home gym- at least in the 90s when I knew him. How do Iknow?  Wel I was at place for a New years Party- wheme he lived in Marina Del Ray (He moved later). It was a cool tri level and I am nosy so I scoped out the whole palce with my wife.  No gym euipment or roid dispensers on the wall.  Beer and wine in fridge. Lots of DVds. Pretty normal overall for a bachelor in LA making bank. Where do people come UP with  some of this shiit I dunno..
PS Tim is right- he used volume for years- but started out three times a week 3 sets each exercise and gained much of his early gains that way- from 95 lbs to 165- age 12 to 15.  He then was doing so well, he INCREASED the volume- 6 days a week 2 hours a day or so and went from 175 to 185 from age 15 to age 19- not bad- but note, a much slower rate of progress.
He went to the 1971 A around this time, and met Casey...

Please continue.

Mike admitted he was at a stand still and was even thinking of hanging it up. It was after to met Casey and Jones when it opened up a whole new world for him. He made considerable progress after meeting up and training with Jones and adopting to the system. Progress that he himself admitted he wouldn't have made since he was stuck doing volume. And he did train as he preached and didn't do volume in "secret." It was verified by those that were there. Even our own Reeves trained at Gold's during Mike's hey day and confirmed his "Heavy Duty." So fuck that noise.   

Intense, I think I remember you from IronAge. Are you on that board?

[wes]

THAT'S IT! One week from today. Internet pose down. Glute shots required!

Immediately starts doing more lunges in preperation for "Old Guy Battle Of The Glutes Champioships"!!

[wes]

He didnt have a home gym- at least in the 90s when I knew him. How do Iknow?  Wel I was at place for a New years Party- wheme he lived in Marina Del Ray (He moved later). It was a cool tri level and I am nosy so I scoped out the whole palce with my wife.  No gym euipment or roid dispensers on the wall.  Beer and wine in fridge. Lots of DVds. Pretty normal overall for a bachelor in LA making bank. Where do people come UP with  some of this shiit I dunno..
PS Tim is right- he used volume for years- but started out three times a week 3 sets each exercise and gained much of his early gains that way- from 95 lbs to 165- age 12 to 15.  He then was doing so well, he INCREASED the volume- 6 days a week 2 hours a day or so and went from 175 to 185 from age 15 to age 19- not bad- but note, a much slower rate of progress.
He went to the 1971 A around this time, and met Casey...

Hey James drop by my board.............got it back up and running again bud!! 

[Tito24]

[Palpatine Q]

Please continue.

Mike admitted he was at a stand still and was even thinking of hanging it up. It was after to met Casey and Jones when it opened up a whole new world for him. He made considerable progress after meeting up and traininqg with Jones and adopting to the system. Progress that he himself admitted he wouldn't have made since he was stuck doing volume. And he did train as he preached and didn't do volume in "secret." It was verified by those that were there. Even our own Reeves trained at Gold's during Mike's hey day and confirmed his "Heavy Duty." So fuck that noise.   

Intense, I think I remember you from IronAge. Are you on that board?

Not to be a dick....but did You ever think he was getting paid to say that?  You know...like every other BBer on the planet that pushes bullshit for money

[dr.chimps]

Immediately starts doing more lunges in preperation for "Old Guy Battle Of The Glutes Champioships"!!

Old guy + glutes = 

/what's the prize? box of depends? prescription for flomax?     

[Tapeworm]

was he alone when he died?

Hard to confirm since no one was there to witness it.

[Dr Dutch]

There have been sightings since his "death". He has been seen doing drop sets of BBcurls with Arthur Jones and Elvis..

[Viking11]

Please continue.

Mike admitted he was at a stand still and was even thinking of hanging it up. It was after to met Casey and Jones when it opened up a whole new world for him. He made considerable progress after meeting up and training with Jones and adopting to the system. Progress that he himself admitted he wouldn't have made since he was stuck doing volume. And he did train as he preached and didn't do volume in "secret." It was verified by those that were there. Even our own Reeves trained at Gold's during Mike's hey day and confirmed his "Heavy Duty." So fuck that noise.  

Intense, I think I remember you from IronAge. Are you on that board?

Yep. still go there, as one of my stops.  
Yeah, he said he was getting pretty frustrated, had gonene ffrom 2 hours a day 6 days a week to 3 hours- even 7 days I think, and his progress had ground to a halt- even for a genetic freak in his prime that is alot. Especially add in that he was working 12 hour days in the Air force and seeing some girl. He reasoned that if he had to go to 4 hours a day to make  more progress, giving up what was left of his free time, then it just was not worth it..

[Viking11]

When Casey told him he was only training three times a week an hour a day it seemed like a breath of fresh air..   that makes sense to me, put yourself in his place, workinglong bours, training long hours , tired and to exhausted to even see your girlfriend, and you can get better results and have alot more free time, why wouldnt that seem good??  I think thats the best apppeal of it, even if the results are the same, if you can do it in less time, and have more of an outside life, that seems like a good deal.  An  hour  day every other day, if you train as hard and heavy as he did, in good form, is Plenty.  I am doing less than that right now, working a graveyard shift, which leave me with sleeping during the day if I can, and feeling like crap, 5 days out of the week, so I cut back to two days- half on my off day off, and the other half a few days later.  Honestly, its enough with that and trying to rebuild us economically.. I DON't need more to do, lol.

[Viking11]

Hey James drop by my board.............got it back up and running again bud!! 

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I will do that !!