Was Mike Mentzer alone ?

[JP_RC]

I think people here are confusing what Menzter advised in training when he retired with how he actually trained in his competitive days. I have no problem believing his gains came from his variation of HIT and not traditional volume, because his actual training was pretty good actually..2 day split, training 4 days a week, body parts hit 2x week, more volume than just one set per bp, etc.
Now, what he recommended in his latter days, the whole one set per body part once every full moon and the such was just bullshit.

[Viking11]

I think people here are confusing what Menzter advised in training when he retired with how he actually trained in his competitive days. I have no problem believing his gains came from his variation of HIT and not traditional volume, because his actual training was pretty good actually..2 day split, training 4 days a week, body parts hit 2x week, more volume than just one set per bp, etc.
Now, what he recommended in his latter days, the whole one set per body part once every full moon and the such was just bullshit.

Exactly. I tried that and lost conditioning and strength didn't go up faster either. Some guys had strength gains, but few looked more muscular. Worked great for guys with no recovery ability.

[pellius]

Not to be a dick....but did You ever think he was getting paid to say that?  You know...like every other BBer on the planet that pushes bullshit for money

He WAS getting paid to say that as he was a writer for Weider and published his courses and books. But you don't want to put the cart before the horse. It's not like Weider came to Mike and asked him start preaching some alternative theory to Arnold and him to promote controversy and sell more mags and give him a cut. No, Mentzer first started winning shows as a competitive bodybuilder and that got the bodybuilding public and writers of magazines (which was really the only venue at the time) interested in him. It was then that Mike related his experience with Author Jones. And remember, Jones didn't just work with bodybuilders. Before he started inviting guys like Sergio, Arnold, Franco...., he was doing studies on students at West Point using the type of training protocol he preached and had Mentzer and Viator do.

And I really don't think Weider would want to do anything to directly or indirectly contribute to the success of Jones. At the time they lambasted his Nautilus machines and, along with Arnold, preach the efficacy of good old fashion free weights. Weider detested Jones and admittedly, from everything I've ever heard and read, Jones was not the easiest person to get along with. He was an eccentric, no nonsense, hard ass that didn't suffer fools -- or anybody really. But he did like young girls and always had one on hand.

Does this look like a face that gave a crap?




 
 

[The Italian Lifter]

Dude looks creepy

[funk51]

jones was defintely a eccentric character, really someone you won't want to mess with. made what's probably the worst movie ever voodoo swamp starring bill pearl.

[loco]

[Jadeveon Clowney]

jones and mentzer - both head-cases.

[apply85]

Nothing that a juice head says about sets or reps is going to make much sense to a natural bodybuilder. When you're not on the juice, you need rest between sets, otherwise you won't be doing very many sets at all I'm afraid. And Mentzer was as full of it as anyone, you think he broke his plateau by doing less sets? How about injecting more anabolics? That sounds better actually.

[gcb]

As far as Arnold and Weider, they would stoop to anything to sell products and magazines. In truth Arnold could not have achieved his look without steroids, Mentzer's training philosophy was perhaps more appropriate for the natural.

[Meso_z]

jones and mentzer - both head-cases.

Like everyone else in the "sport". 

[The Italian Lifter]

why in every photo he has a gun or is near wild animals?





















I'm impotent too but there's no need to sit on a croc to feel better.........

[funk51]

why in every photo he has a gun or is near wild animals?

jones said a gun is like a tornegette, you don't often need one but when you do, you really need it. pearl said during the filming of the movie voodoo swamp he had to stop jones from shooting one of the locals.



















I'm impotent too but there's no need to sit on a croc to feel better.........

[The Italian Lifter]

What is a tornegette?

[maxkane69]

I think people here are confusing what Menzter advised in training when he retired with how he actually trained in his competitive days. I have no problem believing his gains came from his variation of HIT and not traditional volume, because his actual training was pretty good actually..2 day split, training 4 days a week, body parts hit 2x week, more volume than just one set per bp, etc.
Now, what he recommended in his latter days, the whole one set per body part once every full moon and the such was just bullshit.

YOU ARE 100% RIGHT!
BELOW I POSTED 3 VIDEO OF THE GREAT PROGRAM THAT MENTZER WAS ADVISING WHEN HE WAS COMPETING AND SANE IN MIND , THEY ARE VERY GOOOD HEAVY DUTY WORKOUT ESPECIALLY FOR A NATURAL, SINCE THE RECOVERY IS LIMITATED FOR NATURALS!

[maxkane69]

BELOW I POSTED THE VIDEO OF THE  WORKOUT THAT MIKE MENTZER WAS ADVISING IN LATER YEARS AFTER HE STOPPED COMPETING!
THIS ARE ROUTINE THAT WILL UNDERTRAIN EVEN A NATURAL AND NOT HAVE ENOUGHT VOLUME AND FREQUENCY FOR OPTIMAL GROWT!

[maxkane69]

I REALLY LIKE MIKE MENTZER! BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT KNEW HIM, THE GENERAL CONSENSE  IS THAT HE WAS NOT  STABLE MENTALLY AT THE END OF HIS LIFE AND THE WORKOUT HE PRESRIBED IN LATER YEARS DID NOT GIVE THE RESULT HE WAS SUGGESTING!
THAT IS THE REASON WHY I POSTED THE 2 SEPARATED SERIES OF VIDEO OF THE WORKOUTS THAT HE WAS PRESRIBING TO HIS STUDENT DURING 2 DIFFERENT TIME OF HIS LIFE!
MENTZER OFTEN SAID THAT HEAVY DUTY 2 WAS A BETTER PROGRAM THAN THE ONE HE WAS PRESCRIBING WHEN HE WAS COMPETING AT HIS PEAK, BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF THE HEAVY DUTY 2 HE WAS NOT MENTALLY SANE!
I NEVER HAD THE CHANCE AND THE PRIVILEGE TO MEET HIM IN PERSON BUT PEOPLE THAT I KNOW USED TO KNOW HIM PERSONALLY  THEY TOLD ME THAT.
ANYWAY I LIKE TO REMEMBER HIM FOR WHAT HE WAS AT THE TIME OF COMPETITION DAYS WHEN HE HAD A ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL PHYSIQUE OF ALL TIME!
 R.I.P. MIKE  MENTZER !
(A TRUE GREAT BODYBUILDER THAT WENT TROUGH SAME HARDSHIP LATER IN LIFE)

[The Abdominal Snoman]

why in every photo he has a gun or is near wild animals?





















I'm impotent too but there's no need to sit on a croc to feel better.........

lolz

[pellius]

I REALLY LIKE MIKE MENTZER! BUT FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT KNEW HIM, THE GENERAL CONSENSE  IS THAT HE WAS NOT  STABLE MENTALLY AT THE END OF HIS LIFE AND THE WORKOUT HE PRESRIBED IN LATER YEARS DID NOT GIVE THE RESULT HE WAS SUGGESTING!
THAT IS THE REASON WHY I POSTED THE 2 SEPARATED SERIES OF VIDEO OF THE WORKOUTS THAT HE WAS PRESRIBING TO HIS STUDENT DURING 2 DIFFERENT TIME OF HIS LIFE!
MENTZER OFTEN SAID THAT HEAVY DUTY 2 WAS A BETTER PROGRAM THAN THE ONE HE WAS PRESCRIBING WHEN HE WAS COMPETING AT HIS PEAK, BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF THE HEAVY DUTY 2 HE WAS NOT MENTALLY SANE!
I NEVER HAD THE CHANCE AND THE PRIVILEGE TO MEET HIM IN PERSON BUT PEOPLE THAT I KNOW USED TO KNOW HIM PERSONALLY  THEY TOLD ME THAT.
ANYWAY I LIKE TO REMEMBER HIM FOR WHAT HE WAS AT THE TIME OF COMPETITION DAYS WHEN HE HAD A ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL PHYSIQUE OF ALL TIME!
 R.I.P. MIKE  MENTZER !
(A TRUE GREAT BODYBUILDER THAT WENT TROUGH SAME HARDSHIP LATER IN LIFE)

I think you're exactly right. Mentzer used some some rec drugs and amps that had life changing effects. He was not the same person after he had his break down.

[CalvinH]

I think you're exactly right. Mentzer used some some rec drugs and amps that had life changing effects. He was not the same person after he had his break down.

GB broke you down when you first joined.


.....but you recovered into an owning machine when needed

[andreisdaman]

This is a good thread..fascinating

[The Grim Lifter]

It would even better if a close up of the screen showed him as gh15

'Don't lie about juicing Coach or I will cut off your supply!'

[pellius]

GB broke you down when you first joined.


.....but you recovered into an owning machine when needed

I was just a young pup naive to the harsh realities of GetBig.

[pellius]

Nothing that a juice head says about sets or reps is going to make much sense to a natural bodybuilder. When you're not on the juice, you need rest between sets, otherwise you won't be doing very many sets at all I'm afraid. And Mentzer was as full of it as anyone, you think he broke his plateau by doing less sets? How about injecting more anabolics? That sounds better actually.

Perhaps. So if it's just a matter of drugs, meaning no matter how you train (within reason), progress only comes to an advance bodybuilder from drugs, then his training will still be more efficient since it requires less time and frequency and more time for guest posing and dancing naked on the freeway (Sorry Mike, still shocked and stunned that you did this).

[pellius]

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[slaver]

mentzer was awesome

I wonder who joe got to off him

body by science poves 1 weight workout a week is all anyone needs for fountainof youth