Was Mike Mentzer alone ?

[BILL ANVIL]

[wild willie]

hahahhaha

is that all you got?
fuk me that is lame. You come out saying "DONT EVER SAY FUCK YOU TO ME"

and when i tell you and all ur family to go fuk urselves, this is your answer???

oh lordy lordy

just leave man

get an attitude adjustment......man

[Ronnie Rep]

No, Mike Mentzer was not alone.  There were also Arthur Jones, Casey Viator, Sergio Oliva and Dorian Yates.  

That picture of Sergio is the greatest Bodybuilding shot ever!

[oldtimer1]

No, Mike Mentzer was not alone.  There were also Arthur Jones, Casey Viator, Sergio Oliva and Dorian Yates.  

Viator in his best condition ever was the Olympia where Dickerson won. He was doing 15 sets per body part. Sergio trained for a couple of weeks in Florida with Jones and every HIT guy says he is the result of HIT. He trained with conventional equipment and plenty of volume prior to visiting Jones and after. Don't believe the propaganda.

[Griffith]

Good thread.

[Heywood]

These are all opinions.  Was Casey better back in the early 1970's under Jones or years later when he made him comeback.  I'd say he was better when he was taking the bodybuilding world by storm in 1970.

Did Mentzer make tremendous progress using HIT?  Yes, absolutely.

They both used drugs.  Their results were dependent on that fact, just as Arnold, Columbu, etc, all made great results with high volume.

[NelsonMuntz]

Exactly,and everyone who went against his dogma was wrong no matter how great they looked.

I have found by both observation and personal experience that a good debate of ideas can be educational, enlightening and respectful, and that someone who spends their time trying to prove everyone else wrong leaves a person bitter, alone(except with negative minded folk who share your pessimism)and limiting as to fulfilling potential because of the closed minded thinking.

I am certain from other people here who have known Mike that he was a nice guy, but that he also was probably the second category of the type I pointed out above.

I recall seeing that YOUTUBE vid here a while back where he is sitting around with a couple of people, they were filming those training videos of his at the time, and the scene reminded me of those blithering idiot old drunks you see at a shady bar who chain smoke and ramble on like the know it alls they think they are. To me that was pretty sad to see one of the people I looked up to in weight training, especially a man who had success and smarts like Mike did,to be carrying on like that. Never mind the fact that he preached a weight training theory that had people in the gym less frequently, preached about how it gave you more time to enjoy life yet the guy himself could not even find the 30 minutes a few times a week to workout like he preached the last what 10-20 years of his life. Not pissing on his grave, just saying how I see it.

I don't know just me, but real intelligence comes from an open mind, and one side of that you have the too smart for there own good(see most political/race threads for an example), and on the other side you have the retard who cares about learning everything, being everything, takes/gives loads of advice and never follows it(think your average Jason Genova video.)

To me Mike was too smart for his own good and had he kept a more open mind rather than being dogmatic I suspect he would have made millions, kept those millions, and would probably be still alive today and not self medicating himself to death with first speed and later jack daniels.

[arce1988]

  great thread

[drmarkp]

I have found by both observation and personal experience that a good debate of ideas can be educational, enlightening and respectful, and that someone who spends their time trying to prove everyone else wrong leaves a person bitter, alone(except with negative minded folk who share your pessimism)and limiting as to fulfilling potential because of the closed minded thinking.

I am certain from other people here who have known Mike that he was a nice guy, but that he also was probably the second category of the type I pointed out above.

I recall seeing that YOUTUBE vid here a while back where he is sitting around with a couple of people, they were filming those training videos of his at the time, and the scene reminded me of those blithering idiot old drunks you see at a shady bar who chain smoke and ramble on like the know it alls they think they are. To me that was pretty sad to see one of the people I looked up to in weight training, especially a man who had success and smarts like Mike did,to be carrying on like that. Never mind the fact that he preached a weight training theory that had people in the gym less frequently, preached about how it gave you more time to enjoy life yet the guy himself could not even find the 30 minutes a few times a week to workout like he preached the last what 10-20 years of his life. Not pissing on his grave, just saying how I see it.

I don't know just me, but real intelligence comes from an open mind, and one side of that you have the too smart for there own good(see most political/race threads for an example), and on the other side you have the retard who cares about learning everything, being everything, takes/gives loads of advice and never follows it(think your average Jason Genova video.)

To me Mike was too smart for his own good and had he kept a more open mind rather than being dogmatic I suspect he would have made millions, kept those millions, and would probably be still alive today and not self medicating himself to death with first speed and later jack daniels.

X2 (times two).. At the end of the day, there is really no wrong way to train provided that muscles are thoroughly stimulated..

[drmarkp]

These are all opinions.  Was Casey better back in the early 1970's under Jones or years later when he made him comeback.  I'd say he was better when he was taking the bodybuilding world by storm in 1970.

Did Mentzer make tremendous progress using HIT?  Yes, absolutely.

They both used drugs.  Their results were dependent on that fact, just as Arnold, Columbu, etc, all made great results with high volume.

.. Had Casey Viator under Art Jones, and Mike Mentzer- swapped workout regiments with Arnold & Franco; they would have probably all achieved the same results with the same physiques ..

[hardgainerj]

mentzer is a whore, did he use HIT to build his competition physique

[Figo]

I have found by both observation and personal experience that a good debate of ideas can be educational, enlightening and respectful, and that someone who spends their time trying to prove everyone else wrong leaves a person bitter, alone(except with negative minded folk who share your pessimism)and limiting as to fulfilling potential because of the closed minded thinking.

I am certain from other people here who have known Mike that he was a nice guy, but that he also was probably the second category of the type I pointed out above.

I recall seeing that YOUTUBE vid here a while back where he is sitting around with a couple of people, they were filming those training videos of his at the time, and the scene reminded me of those blithering idiot old drunks you see at a shady bar who chain smoke and ramble on like the know it alls they think they are. To me that was pretty sad to see one of the people I looked up to in weight training, especially a man who had success and smarts like Mike did,to be carrying on like that. Never mind the fact that he preached a weight training theory that had people in the gym less frequently, preached about how it gave you more time to enjoy life yet the guy himself could not even find the 30 minutes a few times a week to workout like he preached the last what 10-20 years of his life. Not pissing on his grave, just saying how I see it.

I don't know just me, but real intelligence comes from an open mind, and one side of that you have the too smart for there own good(see most political/race threads for an example), and on the other side you have the retard who cares about learning everything, being everything, takes/gives loads of advice and never follows it(think your average Jason Genova video.)

To me Mike was too smart for his own good and had he kept a more open mind rather than being dogmatic I suspect he would have made millions, kept those millions, and would probably be still alive today and not self medicating himself to death with first speed and later jack daniels.

He was obviously bitter and fed up with bbing initially, and then life's problems compounded with depression, drugs, alcohol contributed to his mental demise

Never mind HIT vs volume, he needed mental help and care and assistance

[Figo]

Viator in his best condition ever was the Olympia where Dickerson won. He was doing 15 sets per body part. Sergio trained for a couple of weeks in Florida with Jones and every HIT guy says he is the result of HIT. He trained with conventional equipment and plenty of volume prior to visiting Jones and after. Don't believe the propaganda.

Viator was involved in "colorado experiment", he got paid to get out of shape, stop steroid use, and then resumed steroid use after "before" pics. Some staged nautilus pics, and "after" pics

Sergio was there for a couple weeks, few pics while there and with nautilus machines, and automatically he's a Jones disciple. Also got paid. Sergio was huge then, massive bloat around face, really huge. Not fat, huge

[Figo]

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[V Man]

High Intensity Training or HIT, is passe.......I have since moved on to Super High Intensity Training....or SHIT. 

[oldtimer1]

Viator was involved in "colorado experiment", he got paid to get out of shape, stop steroid use, and then resumed steroid use after "before" pics. Some staged nautilus pics, and "after" pics

Sergio was there for a couple weeks, few pics while there and with nautilus machines, and automatically he's a Jones disciple. Also got paid. Sergio was huge then, massive bloat around face, really huge. Not fat, huge

I heard he also had a bad infection from having a finger severed prior to that "experiment."  That and not being on juice could have been the before pictures. Some suggested that they knew he did more than the Nautilus workouts too.

[Danjo]

High Intensity Training or HIT, is passe.......I have since moved on to Super High Intensity Training....or SHIT. 

LMAO!

[erics]

Mentzer claimed to be logical and scientific but his approach demonstrated that he understood little of how science actually works.

What he relied on was not science but instead, the logic of language.

What's more, he could only get away with it because an audience made up of teenagers and bodybuilders isn't exactly the most intellectually discriminating one.

[hardgainerj]

Mentzer claimed to be logical and scientific but his approach demonstrated that he understood little of how science actually works.

What he relied on was not science but instead, the logic of language.

What's more, he could only get away with it because an audience made up of teenagers and bodybuilders isn't exactly the most intellectually discriminating one.

its called broscience

[Viking11]

I think he referred to the studies obliquely in a few of his articles, but didn't use MLA or APA style footnoting etc.

[oldtimer1]

These are all opinions.  Was Casey better back in the early 1970's under Jones or years later when he made him comeback.  I'd say he was better when he was taking the bodybuilding world by storm in 1970.

Did Mentzer make tremendous progress using HIT?  Yes, absolutely.

They both used drugs.  Their results were dependent on that fact, just as Arnold, Columbu, etc, all made great results with high volume.

His all time best condition was at the London Olympia where Dickerson won. It's so drastic the change in his physique from the 70's where he was big but was not ripped. In London he was big and insanely ripped. David Young said he trained in the same gym as Viator and he said he used 15 sets per body part.

[Figo]

His all time best condition was at the London Olympia where Dickerson won. It's so drastic the change in his physique from the 70's where he was big but was not ripped. In London he was big and insanely ripped. David Young said he trained in the same gym as Viator and he said he used 15 sets per body part.

Crazy big at 19 yrs old!

[Disgusted]

His all time best condition was at the London Olympia where Dickerson won. It's so drastic the change in his physique from the 70's where he was big but was not ripped. In London he was big and insanely ripped. David Young said he trained in the same gym as Viator and he said he used 15 sets per body part.

I remember reading an interview with Casey just before the show and he mentioned that he had been on a 1500 calorie diet for a while.

[drmarkp]

I remember reading an interview with Casey just before the show and he mentioned that he had been on a 1500 calorie diet for a while.

Which is entirely possible when you are using amphetamines as a diet aid..

[Figo]

Which is entirely possible when you are using amphetamines as a diet aid..

Which Casey is known for being a heavy user of. Along with the Mentzer bros