How to get shredded? Can someone gimme a sample diet?

[Shockwave]

GH15 does not understand - what is this thing called - life without drugs? guys a fucking douchbag of the highest order

Oh, and why would you want to?
(And yes this is slightly sarcastic as I am a recovering rec user, but IMHO, there is almost no reason against using teh juice moderatley.)

[notsureifsrs]

Oh, and why would you want to?
(And yes this is slightly sarcastic as I am a recovering rec user, but IMHO, there is almost no reason against using teh juice moderatley.)

If you are not competing (and don't plan to) and didn't use aas, i see no reason to start using it.
actually i don't see any reason to live bodybuilding lifestyle if it's not your goal

and don't get me wrong eating healthy is one thing, but eating 6 time per day without missing meals and training session it's fucked up at some point.

[tlc]

If you are not competing (and don't plan to) and didn't use aas, i see no reason to start using it.
actually i don't see any reason to live bodybuilding lifestyle if it's not your goal

and don't get me wrong eating healthy is one thing, but eating 6 time per day without missing meals and training session it's fucked up at some point.

Exactly. Eat normally, spend 90 mins at most a week training, inject every few days, and have fun while looking great!

[wes]

Bottom line.....if you truly want to get shredded you have to suffer a little. Have any of you noticed that bodybuilders of 20+ years ago look a damn site better than they do now? Even though (and this debatable) they MIGHT have had a little higher BF than now, but with better separation, more striations and with better shape? Now they might be bigger (and with bigger waists/guts) but for the most part the only thing that's really striated is the glutes. And doesn't mean shit!

You want to get shredded and keep classic lines......you follow something similar to this ^^^ and suffer a little. It's NOT about drugs, it's about diet!!

Thanks Joe,I`m dead into this diet and barely craving anything other than what my diet foods are.

Not many people suffer these days when they diet.......a week into eating semi-clean,they want a fucking cheat meal because they look a little flat....boo hoo !! 

I personally like the rigors of training my ass off and eating like a Spartan,though it`s not for everybody,and it ain`t easy either,but if it was easy,everyone would be walking around huge at 5 % bf!! 

In my opinion,if you feel great during a diet and contest prep training regimen,then you ain`t strict enough on the diet and surely must be training like a wuss.

When you feel like total shit,you are doing everything right!

[Shockwave]

Exactly. Eat normally, spend 90 mins at most a week training, inject every few days, and have fun while looking great!

Exactly. Thats what im saying.
Plus enjoy the benefits of mild AAS, increased libido, mood increase, strength, size, etc. (Not talking about the exotic compounds like tren, etc... just Test)

[makaveli25]

Been on a diet for the last month. Oatmeal, chicken, rice, sweet potato, whey protein, tiny amounts of natural peanutbutter. It's been pretty rough mentally for me. I was use to eating whatever the fuck I wanted. I would eat ice cream cookies all the time. I want to get under 10% bf and then blow it up with hormonas.

[wes]

OK,for the last 3 years after reading on getbig all the time about how some people need to get a life and eat pizza once in a while and that sort of stuff,I did just that.

Reduced my training from my usual 5 days a week to only 3 days a week,ate anything I wanted to eat in moderate quantities.............. .then I went out of control,I would eat one shitty meal a day,and binge on junk constantly for the rest of the day and night.

1 gallon of ice cream in tow days,a whole fucking pie in two days,tons of sandwiches with mayo and shit like that,subs,big bags of M&M`s while watching movies,etc. etc.

I lost my enthusiasm to train but still half heartedly pushed through 3 semi-decent workouts per week.

The result of this is that my waist went from 31",to 36".....then I got on a new med for my depression issues which only after gaining 3 more fucking inches on my waist did I find out from the web that it threw excess weight on just about anybody who used it.

Read tons of testimonials from people who gained 30-40 pounds on this shit in no time flat.

MY FUCKING WAIST WAS 39" FUCKING INCHES AT A BODYWEIGHT OF ONLY AROUND 180-188.

The anti-depressant drug is called Mirtazapine............. flushed that shit down the toilet!!

Now my waist is 31" again and I`m looking to get it down to 29"-30" by the North America in Sept.

At 56 this shit doesn`t get any fucking easier so eat right and take your vitamins kids!!   

[makaveli25]

Are you all natural wes? If not what kind of cycles do you like? How much cardio a week do you prefer?

[JP_RC]

OK,for the last 3 years after reading on getbig all the time about how some people need to get a life and eat pizza once in a while and that sort of stuff,I did just that.

Reduced my training from my usual 5 days a week to only 3 days a week,ate anything I wanted to eat in moderate quantities.............. .then I went out of control,I would eat one shitty meal a day,and binge on junk constantly for the rest of the day and night.

1 gallon of ice cream in tow days,a whole fucking pie in two days,tons of sandwiches with mayo and shit like that,subs,big bags of M&M`s while watching movies,etc. etc.

I lost my enthusiasm to train but still half heartedly pushed through 3 semi-decent workouts per week.

The result of this is that my waist went from 31",to 36".....then I got on a new med for my depression issues which only after gaining 3 more fucking inches on my waist did I find out from the web that it threw excess weight on just about anybody who used it.

Read tons of testimonials from people who gained 30-40 pounds on this shit in no time flat.

MY FUCKING WAIST WAS 39" FUCKING INCHES AT A BODYWEIGHT OF ONLY AROUND 180-188.

The anti-depressant drug is called Mirtazapine............. flushed that shit down the toilet!!

Now my waist is 31" again and I`m looking to get it down to 29"-30" by the North America in Sept.

At 56 this shit doesn`t get any fucking easier so eat right and take your vitamins kids!!   

Actually I think that the reason you started binging on those foods is because you spent most of your life "eating like a bodybuilder" and depriving yourself from them. Once you got the chance, you went all out. Ever wonder why most post contest bbs blow out like balloons? If you had just eaten them moderately in relation to your caloric needs, I doubt you would've gotten fat. Plus you could've still kept training hard.

[wes]

Actually I think that the reason you started binging on those foods is because you spent most of your life "eating like a bodybuilder" and depriving yourself from them. Once you got the chance, you went all out. Ever wonder why most post contest bbs blow out like balloons? If you had just eaten them moderately in relation to your caloric needs, I doubt you would've gotten fat. Plus you could've still kept training hard.

You`re probably right....I would compete all the time and eat clean.........off-season I lightened up a bit on the diet,but I never went overboard like this before.plus no matter what I always enjoyed training.

Years ago,when I lost my enthusiasm to train,I would go on drinking binges and call it taking some well deserved "time off".................7 years in a drunken stupor was the longest "time off" in a row that I ever took!! LOL 

I think food replaced the booze his time around,gotta` admit I was really burnt out as far as training, eating right,and especially competing was concerned.

[wes]

Are you all natural wes? If not what kind of cycles do you like? How much cardio a week do you prefer?

Have used roids off and on in the past.........never anything extreme dosage wise.

I might have built up gradually to say 750 mgs of Sustanon,with some pink D-bols.........possibly 30 mgs. per day.

One time,with the Anadrol I mentioned in another thread,I peaked at 1600 and honestly looked Ok but nothing special.

Most of the time I did gear,was for a contest as opposed to off-season which is stupid as I never really got big at all.

This might change later this year though.

In regards to your question if whether I`m natty or not:

Does Macys tell Gimbells  ? LOL   

[JP_RC]

You`re probably right....I would compete all the time and eat clean.........off-season I lightened up a bit on the diet,but I never went overboard like this before.plus no matter what I always enjoyed training.

Years ago,when I lost my enthusiasm to train,I would go on drinking binges and call it taking some well deserved "time off".................7 years in a drunken stupor was the longest "time off" in a row that I ever took!! LOL 

I think food replaced the booze his time around,gotta` admit I was really burnt out as far as training, eating right,and especially competing was concerned.

7 years? talk about some "time off"  lol
I think your will power/drive is admirable, especially for someone your age. Almost no one at this age, could even do something to lose some weight, let alone do what is necessary to compete.
I do think your attitude towards food and dieting is a bit extreme though. 

[tbombz]

1gram protein pr lb lean bodyweight + calorie defect.

[The True Adonis]

1gram protein pr lb lean bodyweight + calorie defect.

Wow, dipshit is finally almost taking my advice. Protein does not need to be that high.  I am sure in a few months you will be parroting this as well.

[no one]

OK,for the last 3 years after reading on getbig all the time about how some people need to get a life and eat pizza once in a while and that sort of stuff,I did just that.

Reduced my training from my usual 5 days a week to only 3 days a week,ate anything I wanted to eat in moderate quantities.............. .then I went out of control,I would eat one shitty meal a day,and binge on junk constantly for the rest of the day and night.

1 gallon of ice cream in tow days,a whole fucking pie in two days,tons of sandwiches with mayo and shit like that,subs,big bags of M&M`s while watching movies,etc. etc.

I lost my enthusiasm to train but still half heartedly pushed through 3 semi-decent workouts per week.

The result of this is that my waist went from 31",to 36".....then I got on a new med for my depression issues which only after gaining 3 more fucking inches on my waist did I find out from the web that it threw excess weight on just about anybody who used it.

Read tons of testimonials from people who gained 30-40 pounds on this shit in no time flat.

MY FUCKING WAIST WAS 39" FUCKING INCHES AT A BODYWEIGHT OF ONLY AROUND 180-188.

The anti-depressant drug is called Mirtazapine............. flushed that shit down the toilet!!

Now my waist is 31" again and I`m looking to get it down to 29"-30" by the North America in Sept.

At 56 this shit doesn`t get any fucking easier so eat right and take your vitamins kids!!    

dude! you are not alone.

i feel so much better when i eat 'clean' food sources and stay away from sugars and refined foods- and im running a shit load of gear too.

my body looks better and my whole mental outlook is better as well. eating shit food may make you feel good at the time - actually for me it doesnt even feel good most of the times, its almost like an addiction to eat it without really enjoying it- but  for me eating whole clean food sources are way better for your mental state and physical well being and look.

all these 'getbig gurus' crying a calorie is a calorie have no clue what they are talking about, or have never been truly ripped. even GH15 says to lose that 2% you have to clean it up and hes right. and that 2% is a bitch. getting to 6 is a joke. go to 4% on your calorie is a calorie dream diet without looking like a swimmer and i'll be impressed.

[JP_RC]

Wow, dipshit is finally almost taking my advice. Protein does not need to be that high.  I am sure in a few months you will be parroting this as well.

You know, I remember reading your food/training log last year and thinking less than 1 gr of protein was not good, but you were correct all along. Since dropping my protein I feel and look better than before, these days I eat less than 1 gr/lb and I'm doing just fine. Although I may get to the 1 gram/lb if I'd count the incomplete protein coming from carbs, etc. Do you count those?

I know that diet for a user may be different, but for a natural protein is so overrated.

[Army of One]

1gram protein pr lb lean bodyweight + calorie defect.

This, how fucking complicated does it need to be, work out your BMR, add the amount of calories on top of that you burn a day through activities, then make sure you burn 500 calories a day less than that for 1 pound a week, 1000 calories for roughly 2 pounds, get 1gram protein per pound of bodyweight.Doesnt matter how many meals you have, the "30 grams of protein at one time" thing is bullshit, eat as much crap as you want apart from the protein just make sure you eat\burn a deficit.

[James28]

Army of One is correct. I've slowly been dropping BF for my upcoming holiday to Greece. Started in April at around 15-16%, now at 12, maybe 11. Should be good to go in two weeks when I'm off. Sure, I won't be at 2% there fore obviously 'fat' by Getbig standards, but I'm more than happy enough with my body. I do cardio every single day for an hour and then obviously my weight training. I eat cookies, ice cream, the odd fizzy drink (don't really like them though) and basically whatever I want. Always in moderate quantities and always at a calorie deficit. It's not science.

[no one]

Army of One is correct. I've slowly been dropping BF for my upcoming holiday to Greece. Started in April at around 15-16%, now at 12, maybe 11. Should be good to go in two weeks when I'm off. Sure, I won't be at 2% there fore obviously 'fat' by Getbig standards, but I'm more than happy enough with my body. I do cardio every single day for an hour and then obviously my weight training. I eat cookies, ice cream, the odd fizzy drink (don't really like them though) and basically whatever I want. Always in moderate quantities and always at a calorie deficit. It's not science.

how are you achieving what you want?

you want to walk around at 12% embarrassed to take your t shirt off?

you say your achieving what you want because you lack the discipline to diet and get in good shape. and yeah it isnt 'science' to get to 12%. people are that bf% around the world who dont even train. start to pat yourself on the back when you actually accomplish something.

sell your bullshit somewhere else.

[James28]

how are you achieving what you want?

you want to walk around at 12% embarrassed to take your t shirt off?

you say your achieving what you want because you lack the discipline to diet and get in good shape. and yeah it isnt 'science' to get to 12%. people are that bf% around the world who dont even train. start to pat yourself on the back when you actually accomplish something.

sell your bullshit somewhere else.

sure, but then they also walk around at 240lbs with obvious muscles and 15 years of training behind them, right? 'I' am happy with myself. 'I' know what I look like. On a forum where 5% or less of the guys actually train, you truly have to pardon me if I don't give a fuck what people here think nor listen to advice. Fuck me, even Goodrum looks better than 90% of the people on here. I'm not gunning for the Mr O title so why would I deprave myself. Easy does it.  I don't give a fuck whether people think I'm huge, fat, lean, small, big or whatever. As long as 'I'm' happy with myself, the world can go fuck itself. 

[dyslexic]

How are you looking these days Wes? I remember the shredded to fuck pics you posted from your last diet. Are you headed in that direction?

I'd love to see since we are both around the same age. (I think)

[no one]

sure, but then they also walk around at 240lbs with obvious muscles and 15 years of training behind them, right? 'I' am happy with myself. 'I' know what I look like. On a forum where 5% or less of the #### actually train, you truly have to pardon me if I don't give a fuck what people here think nor listen to advice. Fuck me, even Goodrum looks better than 90% of the people on here. I'm not gunning for the Mr O title so why would I deprave myself. Easy does it.  I don't give a fuck whether people think I'm huge, fat, lean, small, big or whatever. As long as 'I'm' happy with myself, the world can go fuck itself.  

no. your not happy with yourself. thats why your busting your hump an hour a day on a treadmill. nobody likes being on a treadmill an hour a day. its easier for you to say 'im happpy like this' than to admit you lack the willpower to manifest any serious fat loss, cause you are certainly putting in the effort. your diet is sabotaging you. just stop doing the treadmill and stuff yourself if you're so happy with who you are.

again, sell your bullshit somewhere else.

[tlc]

how are you achieving what you want?

you want to walk around at 12% embarrassed to take your t shirt off?

you say your achieving what you want because you lack the discipline to diet and get in good shape. and yeah it isnt 'science' to get to 12%. people are that bf% around the world who dont even train. start to pat yourself on the back when you actually accomplish something.

sell your bullshit somewhere else.

no. your not happy with yourself. thats why your busting your hump an hour a day on a treadmill. nobody likes being on a treadmill an hour a day. its easier for you to say 'im happpy like this' than to admit you lack the willpower to manifest any serious fat loss, cause you are certainly putting in the effort. your diet is sabotaging you. just stop doing the treadmill and stuff yourself if you're so happy with who you are.

again, sell your bullshit somewhere else.

Crikey, who pissed on your cornflakes?

[wes]

7 years? talk about some "time off"  lol
I think your will power/drive is admirable, especially for someone your age. Almost no one at this age, could even do something to lose some weight, let alone do what is necessary to compete.
I do think your attitude towards food and dieting is a bit extreme though. 

Yeah a 7 year rest = one tired mofo!!  LOL 

Thanks for the kind words, and I do realize that the diet I follow is to the extreme........I also train regular people looking to get into shape, and while I design the diet for them it`s tough,but far from the way I do it.

You have to remember one thing,I`m not just trying to lose weight or get in shape.I`m always in pretty good training shape/condition, because I love to train fast and hard,but I`m training to compete in the biggest national contest in the USA for guys over 40,50,60,and 70 years old......NPC Masters Nationals.

If you think my opponents are eating fucking donuts,let me assure they aren`t.......some really good older guys in this contest......in fact,the best in the country.

Another reason to eat extreme is that you will be standing on stage in what amounts to a fucking pair of panties in front of hundreds of people.................. you better look lean ,`cause fatasses do not look good in panties!! 

You have to be extreme,or why even bother showing up?

I may place dead last but it won`t be because I didn`t give it all I had.

[no one]

Crikey, who pissed on your cornflakes?

LOL

i just like to bust balls.

i could care less if hes 12% bf or 20% bf.

its his life.