I didn't lie, I was done with this thread at that time. Then Beach Bum came on here and said he agreed with you, so I thought obviously I was missing something. So I came back. But I still don't see what I'm missing. That takes care of your first two sentences.
When I said that you said the US is a christian nation, I meant in terms of being founded upon Christianity. That was the definition I was using for "christian nation". You was using "christian nation" to mean a theocracy. I did not lie then, just different operating definitions which you never picked up on. That takes care of the first part of your second sentence.
You did say that all the founding fathers were Christian. You said it in a reply to PIP, and you said it in the thread that Beach Bum posted a link to, and you said it again recently in this thread. You have not admitted that any founding fathers were not christian. When I started to prove you wrong, you started to say "i don't know for sure if they were", then you said you were only showing why people believe they were christian (which of course takes your own perspective out of the discussion). That takes care of the second part of your second sentence.
And your quotes do not mention Jesus. The only ones that mention Jesus was the Revolutionary motto and the Adams and Jay quotes I think (which you will remember that for sake of argument I granted you Adams and Jay for reasons already stated, so their quotes do not matter for this purpose.) That takes part of the last part of the second sentence.
Anything else?
Just out of curiosity, when did I say that
allthe founding fathers were Christian. Please quote me. Use the quote link on the forum.
And as for your claim that my founding father quotes mention only prayer and creation in general:
George WashingtonGeneral Orders, (July 9, 1776) George Washington Papers at the Library of Congress, 1741-1799: Series 3g Varick Transcripts"The Hon. Continental Congress having been pleased to allow a Chaplain to each Regiment, with the pay of Thirty-three Dollars and one third pr month -- The Colonels or commanding officers of each regiment are directed to procure Chaplains accordingly; persons of good Characters and exemplary lives -- To see that all inferior officers and soldiers pay them a suitable respect and attend carefully upon religious exercises. The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger -- The General hopes and trusts, that every officer and man, will endeavour so to live, and act, as becomes a
Christian Soldier defending the dearest Rights and Liberties of his country."
General Orders (May 2, 1778); published in Writings of George Washington (1932), Vol.XI, pp. 342-343"The Commander in Chief directs that divine Service be performed every Sunday at 11 oClock in those Brigades to which there are Chaplains; those which have none to attend the places of worship nearest to them. It is expected that Officers of all Ranks will by their attendence set an Example to their men. While we are zealously performing the duties of good Citizens and soldiers we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of Religion. To the distinguished Character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of
Christian. The signal Instances of providential Goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labours with complete Success, demand from us in a peculiar manner the warmest returns of Gratitude and Piety to the Supreme Author of all Good."
Speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs (May 12, 1779); published in The Writings of George Washington (1932), Vol.XV, p. 55"My ears hear with pleasure the other matters you mention. Congress will be glad to hear them too. You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of
Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do every thing they can to assist you in this wise intention; and to tie the knot of friendship and union so fast, that nothing shall ever be able to loose it."
John AdamsLetter to Thomas Jefferson, 1812"The Ten Commandments and
the Sermon on the Mount contain my religion."
Diary, 26 July 1796:"The
Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity, and humanity."
Thomas JeffersonApril 21, 1803 letter to Doctor Benjamin Rush"To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of
Jesus himself.
I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence"
Note: Thomas Jefferson loved Jesus of Nazareth and the Gospels so much that he took the time and effort to write a compilation of his favorite parts of the Gospels, which was published after his death and came to be known as The Jefferson Bible.Benjamin Franklin1790 letter to Ezra Stiles, president of Yale University"As to
Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see"
John Jay1797 letter to clergyman Jedidiah Morse"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our
Christian nation to select and prefer
Christians for their rulers."
"It is to be regretted, but so I believe the fact to be, that
except the Bible there is not a true history in the world. Whatever may be the virtue, discernment, and industry of the writers, I am persuaded that truth and error (though in different degrees) will imperceptibly become and remain mixed and blended until they shall be separated forever by the great and last refining fire."