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« on: August 25, 2011, 06:22:41 AM »

I have been using this since the beginning of the month. The first week I gained 1.5lbs, and then over the last  3 weeks I have lost 5 lbs. I had to quit using the aspirin after a couple of days because it was tearing up my stomach. I do 45 minutes of cardio 3x a week first thing in the morning before I eat, and work out the other 3 days a week. I try to drink alot of water, I cut back on calories and carbs.
I don't have a food diary yet, but I try to eat clean. I don't use gear, just whey protein after the weightlifting. Am I being impatient, or unrealistic with my expectations because I am comparing myself to guys who use gear?
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 06:24:59 AM »

I have been using this since the beginning of the month. The first week I gained 1.5lbs, and then over the last  3 weeks I have lost 5 lbs. I had to quit using the aspirin after a couple of days because it was tearing up my stomach. I do 45 minutes of cardio 3x a week first thing in the morning before I eat, and work out the other 3 days a week. I try to drink alot of water, I cut back on calories and carbs.
I don't have a food diary yet, but I try to eat clean. I don't use gear, just whey protein after the weightlifting. Am I being impatient, or unrealistic with my expectations because I am comparing myself to guys who use gear?
Diet hard and do cardio. No need for eca if you follow a strict diet and do cardio.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2011, 08:28:51 AM »

Diet hard and do cardio. No need for eca if you follow a strict diet and do cardio.

any suggestions for diet???
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 02:15:53 PM »

I have been using this since the beginning of the month. The first week I gained 1.5lbs, and then over the last  3 weeks I have lost 5 lbs. I had to quit using the aspirin after a couple of days because it was tearing up my stomach. I do 45 minutes of cardio 3x a week first thing in the morning before I eat, and work out the other 3 days a week. I try to drink alot of water, I cut back on calories and carbs.
I don't have a food diary yet, but I try to eat clean. I don't use gear, just whey protein after the weightlifting. Am I being impatient, or unrealistic with my expectations because I am comparing myself to guys who use gear?


I don't know what you're using for your ephedrine source, but IMO (and I have nothing clinical to support this), today's "E" products pale in comparison to the old ephedra for fat-loss.
Most people today are using either ephedrine-based bronchodilators, or weak ephedra plant alkaloids.
From my own experience with products like Bronkaid, I'm sorely disappointed in the results; however, some folks swear by its effectiveness.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 03:34:45 PM »

From my own experience with products like Bronkaid, I'm sorely disappointed in the results; however, some folks swear by its effectiveness.

I take one 25mg Bronkaid tablet with  one 100mg tablet of No Doz brand caffeine. The first dose in the morning, and the second in the afternoon for 6 days out of the week. When I first started I felt the energy rush, but it didn't take long for my body to get used to it. I don't plan on moving up to a 3rd dose or increased quantities. I don't want to be another person in the news giving ephedrine a bad name.  Wink
It is good to hear that I am not the only one who is somewhat disappointed with the results. However, I will stick with this regimen until the end of the month. When I try again in the spring, I will be sure to give it more time like starting in February or March in order to be ready for spring/summer.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 03:56:07 PM »

I take one 25mg Bronkaid tablet with  one 100mg tablet of No Doz brand caffeine. The first dose in the morning, and the second in the afternoon for 6 days out of the week. When I first started I felt the energy rush, but it didn't take long for my body to get used to it. I don't plan on moving up to a 3rd dose or increased quantities. I don't want to be another person in the news giving ephedrine a bad name.  Wink
It is good to hear that I am not the only one who is somewhat disappointed with the results. However, I will stick with this regimen until the end of the month. When I try again in the spring, I will be sure to give it more time like starting in February or March in order to be ready for spring/summer.


Sensitivity, response, etc… individual biochemistry will yield slightly different results for everyone.

I wouldn’t concern myself with the aspirin. I don’t think it’s as “crucial” or even as effective as once thought.
If you want to thin your blood, take some garlic capsules. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2011, 11:17:20 PM »

Maybe its too early to notice anything from dieting...since youre doing it for a month now..

Hows your diet?
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 10:18:10 AM »


Hows your diet?

Not super strict but it is a major improvement from before. I don't compete, I just wanted to have visible abs. I don't have a food diary yet so I don't have an exact answer for you.
Generally,
  • breakfast - 2-3 egg whites, some oatmeal or whole wheat toast
  • snack - almonds, triscuits
  • lunch - 6" sandwich at subway (flatbread, chicken breast, marinara sauce, provolone, spinach leaves) or
    Jimmy Johns - slim (turkey & bread)
  • snack - protein bar or a Clif energy bar
  • dinner - varies, but it is generally low fat.

After weightlifting I have a whey protein shake using 2% milk. This is 3 x  a week.
I generally drink water throughout the day or I drink sweet tea when I eat out.

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 02:13:14 AM »

I take one 25mg Bronkaid tablet with  one 100mg tablet of No Doz brand caffeine. The first dose in the morning, and the second in the afternoon for 6 days out of the week. When I first started I felt the energy rush, but it didn't take long for my body to get used to it. I don't plan on moving up to a 3rd dose or increased quantities. I don't want to be another person in the news giving ephedrine a bad name.  Wink
It is good to hear that I am not the only one who is somewhat disappointed with the results. However, I will stick with this regimen until the end of the month. When I try again in the spring, I will be sure to give it more time like starting in February or March in order to be ready for spring/summer.

Post some updates that first week off this, if at all possible regarding state of mind.
Also how much coffee are you drinking coffee on top of this?
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2011, 05:19:01 AM »

I don't drink coffee. I will let you know if I have any withdrawal symptoms.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2011, 10:28:44 AM »

Not super strict but it is a major improvement from before. I don't compete, I just wanted to have visible abs. I don't have a food diary yet so I don't have an exact answer for you.
Generally,
  • breakfast - 2-3 egg whites, some oatmeal or whole wheat toast
7-11g of protein
  • snack - almonds, triscuits
Junk carb
  • lunch - 6" sandwich at subway (flatbread, chicken breast, marinara sauce, provolone, spinach leaves) or
    Jimmy Johns - slim (turkey & bread)
Processed meat & junk bread
  • snack - protein bar or a Clif energy bar
Junk food source
  • dinner - varies, but it is generally low fat.

After weightlifting I have a whey protein shake using 2% milk. This is 3 x  a week.
I generally drink water throughout the day or I drink sweet tea when I eat out. LOADED with sugar


I try to eat clean.

Read, read read the "archives".  You have a lot to learn about eating clean.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2011, 01:48:13 PM »

Princess L, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. At this point I just don't have to appetite to consume the calories suggested in the sample cutting diet. Maybe it's due to the EC and all of the water I drink throughout the day?!
Regardless, I will read through the archives here and keep trying to improve. Keep in mind, my dietary changes so far are a very big & positive improvement over my past history. Heck, when eating at McDonalds, getting to the 2,000 calorie mark was easy! Shocked
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2011, 02:58:39 PM »

Princess L, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. At this point I just don't have to appetite to consume the calories suggested in the sample cutting diet. Maybe it's due to the EC and all of the water I drink throughout the day?!
Regardless, I will read through the archives here and keep trying to improve. Keep in mind, my dietary changes so far are a very big & positive improvement over my past history. Heck, when eating at McDonalds, getting to the 2,000 calorie mark was easy! Shocked

Even if you can't get all the calories you need at this time, you can still start eating cleaner.  6 egg whites for breakfast should be doable and don't be afraid of a yolk.  Oatmeal (in addition to the eggs) is good, but not that sugary stuff in the packets.  Avoid the bread unless you're getting the whole grain high fiber stuff. Cut back on the fast food.  Subway & Jimmy Johns is still fast food. Add some vegetables in there and some fruit.   Planning and advance preparation takes some effort, but it's worth it.  Sweet tea is no better than any other soft drink.  AVOID it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2011, 03:30:37 PM »


Even if you can't get all the calories you need at this time, you can still start eating cleaner.  6 egg whites for breakfast should be doable and don't be afraid of a yolk.  Oatmeal (in addition to the eggs) is good, but not that sugary stuff in the packets.  Avoid the bread unless you're getting the whole grain high fiber stuff. Cut back on the fast food.  Subway & Jimmy Johns is still fast food. Add some vegetables in there and some fruit.   Planning and advance preparation takes some effort, but it's worth it.  Sweet tea is no better than any other soft drink.  AVOID it.



All good points.
Also, sometimes I think that sugar-sweetened tea is actually worse than sodas because tea tends to go down a lot easier - hence, the amounts are easier to get out of hand.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 01:15:06 PM »

Research has shown that Aspirin is not as effective as people think. If you want to continue using it, pick up one that is "enteric coded", will cut down on your stomach getting torn up.
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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2011, 04:15:10 PM »

I have personally found that the best thing an ECA stack does for me is that it helps me work out more intensely.  I take a stack a few minutes before my workouts (2x/day).
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2011, 08:03:12 AM »

Post some updates that first week off this, if at all possible regarding state of mind.
Also how much coffee are you drinking coffee on top of this?

It's been over a week that I have stopped taking EC & I have had no negative side effects. My appetite is coming back though, not sure if this is a good thing or not. I miss the energy and the feeling of having very clear breathing. When I was using EC and doing cardio I felt invincible like Lance Armstrong!
No headaches, depression or anything like that. Keep in mind I was taking minimal doses and I tried to limit the extra caffeine in the form of tea or an occasional soda. I am going to try to keep up with the clean eating improvements figure out what to do until early spring. Should I switch to a bulking diet and try again later or just keep going on the current path? I am 5' 10" and around 212 lbs as I write this. I say "around" because my scale at home is not as good as the digital one I use at work.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2011, 05:49:10 PM »

the old ECA stack in hydroxycut was amazing...I could lose 30 pounds in two months......now when I take fat burners I get nauseous
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2011, 07:31:56 PM »

the old ECA stack in hydroxycut was amazing...I could lose 30 pounds in two months......now when I take fat burners I get nauseous

Too much Kool Aide. 

BTW - when we meeting up at NYSC
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2011, 09:00:25 PM »

lets try for two weeks from now...approximately end of the month
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2011, 03:13:27 PM »

Clen shits on ECA stack in terms of bf loss / lbm retention.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2011, 02:19:25 AM »

Meal # 1 :
8 eggwhites,1 whole egg (scrambled in non-fat cooking spray)
1/2 cup oats ( no milk,use artificial sweetener)
12 oz. water

Meal # 2 :
1 can water packed tuna (plain)
lg. green salad (with fat-free dressing......... should only contain 3 gms. of sugar or less)
12 oz. water

Meal # 3 :
5 oz. boneless skinless chicken breast
1 baked potato (use "I Can`t Believe It`s Not Butter" spray)
1-2 cups green beans
12 oz. water

Meal # 4 :
5 oz. boneless skinless chicken breast
1 baked potato (use "I Can`t Believe It`s Not Butter" spray)
1-2 cups green beans
12 oz. water


Meal # 5 :(Pre-Workout)
1 scoop whey in H2O

Meal # 6 :(Post-Workout)
1 scoop whey in H2O
1/4 to 1/2 cup plain oats


Meals 5 + 6 should be placed pre and post workout respectively

Do 30-45 minutes of cardio 5-6 days a week after training and on off days (use an inclined treadmill.............si mply walk at a good pace varying the speed and the level of incline throughout the 30-45 minutes)

Save the money you were spending on the ECA..............thank me later !!  Smiley
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