Author Topic: OK juiceheads........ (Read 14767 times)

_bruce_ · « **Reply #25 on:** September 25, 2011, 11:11:14 AM »

Quote from: dyslexic on September 25, 2011, 09:37:43 AM

I know people with severe depression. They don't function well in society, or anywhere for that matter. They may find meds that work for a time, but nearly everything else is contraindicated.

If they have health issues on top of it, I mean, how do you add misery to an already miserable situation? If there are relationship problems too?

There are treatment centers, but I have yet to see one work effectively. It all depends on the severity.

This is why when my clients ask me about juicing or taking recreational drugs, etc., I have to always inform them that if they are on Anti-depressants, the benefit to risk ratio is not worth it.

The nation's percentage of depressed, manic depressed and anxiety-ridden folks is overwhelming these days.

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dyslexic · « **Reply #26 on:** September 25, 2011, 11:59:50 AM »

Quote from: IrishMuscle84 on September 25, 2011, 09:59:58 AM

ABSOLUTELY.......and yes there are Treatment centers. I myself have been going to bascially An Adult Outpatient Program Center for people with Mental illness. For the past 9 months, have been taking PSR classes there too.

There is nothing better than a qualified support group... if you can find one. I'm sure through trial and error eventually people can find those who suit their needs, but more often than not, it's a crap shoot.

deceiver · « **Reply #27 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:05:27 PM »

Get full hormonal blood work ASAP. What did he take? What was his PCT protocol?

deadz · « **Reply #28 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:30:14 PM »

Your "friend" is a weak minded individual.

deceiver · « **Reply #29 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:42:53 PM »

ROFL @ all those morons bashing this guy for being depressed since it's unmanly to be depressed. You have no fucking idea what depression is, how to treat it and honestly, you guys sound like old, uneducated "tough" idiots'. You have no idea what this guy been through, maybe his family died? Maybe he's got some other problems? Maybe it's due to hormonal imbalance? I wanna see how tough you guys would be with 0 testosterone or after burying your whole family.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:44:22 PM »

There is no doubt in my mind that steroids effect the mind. When on most guys feel confident, aggressive, happy and full of energy. When you go completely off as the drugs leave your system you feel meek, depressed, nervous, and have a feeling of not feeling well as your body goes catabolic.

Hormones affect emotions heavily. Both estrogen and adrogens.

This is one of the reasons I feel that steroids are addictive. Who wants to feel and look like shit when your are off cycle for a couple of months? Start again then you start feeling great. I never really heard anyone say they are addictive but I believe they are.

Of course there is no research. No one is going to study recreational use of bodybuilding drugs by the sub culture of drug using bodybuilders.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #31 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:53:03 PM »

Quote from: chaos on September 25, 2011, 09:50:15 AM

Its not a size issue for him, just the antidepressant/steroid combo was bad news. Its been a couple weeks and he's still feeling it so he asked me...I know jack shit about that stuff so I don't know how long until he should be back to "normal"

So did he feel bad WHILE on steroids too?

If he felt good on the steroids then I would taper down the steroids instead of going cold turkey. Like a cc of test a week and a Proviron a day and then after a number of weeks taper down off that. Maybe higher test at the start of taper if his dosages used to be real high. Huge hormonal fluctuations can really wreck havoc on the mental state.

lots of other things come into play too such as the anti-d, if he just started it or has been on it for a while. If just started it can take quite a while to start working and they can make depression worse initially. The specific anti-d could be wrong for him also, and could be switched.

Stavios · « **Reply #32 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:55:21 PM »

Must be a white guy

negros are never depressed

chaos · « **Reply #33 on:** September 25, 2011, 12:55:46 PM »

Good questions guys, I'll get back with some answers as soon as I can.

no one · « **Reply #34 on:** September 25, 2011, 01:31:07 PM »

Quote from: chaos on September 25, 2011, 09:50:15 AM

Its not a size issue for him, just the antidepressant/steroid combo was bad news. Its been a couple weeks and he's still feeling it so he asked me...I know jack shit about that stuff so I don't know how long until he should be back to "normal"

depends on his system. could be as early a 6 weeks as long as 6 months. a lot of variables come into play- like how long he's been shut down.

chaos · « **Reply #35 on:** September 25, 2011, 01:34:33 PM »

Quote from: no one on September 25, 2011, 01:31:07 PM

depends on his system. could be as early a 6 weeks as long as 6 months. a lot of variables come into play- like how long he's been shut down.

Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #36 on:** September 25, 2011, 01:36:21 PM »

Quote from: chaos on September 25, 2011, 01:34:33 PM

Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.

Let him take care, man. I've guys like him turn into babies...not kidding again.

BiGHer · « **Reply #37 on:** September 25, 2011, 01:36:50 PM »

Why did he come off? LOL... seriosuly though... Juice doesnt make people crazy, but it certainly won't help those who are already nuts.

Nirvana · « **Reply #38 on:** September 25, 2011, 02:31:42 PM »

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #39 on:** September 25, 2011, 02:55:59 PM »

Quote from: chaos on September 25, 2011, 12:55:46 PM

Good questions guys, I'll get back with some answers as soon as I can.

Ask Jason Genova he may know.

CalvinH · « **Reply #40 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:12:45 PM »

Quote from: chaos on September 25, 2011, 01:34:33 PM

Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.

Sounds like he was fucked up already before the juice.

epic_alien · « **Reply #41 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:15:03 PM »

Quote from: chaos on September 25, 2011, 09:21:06 AM

I got a buddy of mine that just got off the juice, here's the problem......dude is whacked out and having a hard time mentally, his doc says things should get better when the steroids metabolize in his system, thing is he is on medication for depression and it's really messin with his head.

Does this sound reasonable to getbig juicers? How long should this take?

get off depression meds immediatly. this will fuck you up more than anything. fuck up your dna, make you fat, lazy, on and on.

dustin · « **Reply #42 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:33:30 PM »

I'd be careful with anti depressants. I'm obviously way more liberal with drugs but anti depressants are one thing I'm heavily opposed to. We don't know enough about these "chemical imbalances". And even with an imbalance there are still cognitive practices that one can exercise to break the cycle.

I've had the best experiences using mushrooms to be honest. The afterglow is amazing and the trips are very introspective if you have the right mind set (watching the LOTR trilogy while munching out on junk food isn't what I'm talking about). Obviously the majority of the trip was me just being stoned off my gourd, but you can really learn a lot from psychedelics.

When you step out of your ego you can really look at things in a way you could never fathom sober - people can scoff at drugs all they want, but this is something unique to psychedelics, you can't reproduce this while sober. How invaluable of a cognitive tool is this??? And those lessons you learn stick with you in the sober world too. You don't need to be a druggy whatsoever. I know a lot of very knowledgeable fellas who exclusively use psychedelics for this purpose and never just to trip (that's just an enjoyable side affect). There are studies about mushrooms and MDMA being a very effective therapeutic tool if used correctly and I strongly agree.

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #43 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:40:47 PM »

Quote from: epic_alien on September 25, 2011, 03:15:03 PM

get off depression meds immediatly. this will fuck you up more than anything. fuck up your dna, make you fat, lazy, on and on.

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dyslexic · « **Reply #44 on:** September 25, 2011, 03:54:26 PM »

One must be very careful coming off of SSRI's... especially coming off exogenous hormones AND SSRI's... there may be so many variables to his situation, but coming off of longly prescribed SSRI's can not only be dangerous, but can also be fatal.

It all depends where his mind truly is and what caused him to get on SSRI's in the first place. There are myriads of research on the subject, but nothing definitive when it comes to individuality.

One man's happiness can easily be another's sorrow and demise.

All I can say is this: Get help from a qualified professional. The mind is such a powerful tool.

The Grim Lifter · « **Reply #45 on:** September 25, 2011, 04:06:54 PM »

Coming off hormones is hard anyway. He needs some time for his system to be right, which takes months.

Personally i felt much better off hormones and looked better facially. I didn't change that much physique wise, mainly just the fluid retention. But no-one will agree with that.

IrishMuscle84 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 25, 2011, 04:11:26 PM »

Quote from: deceiver on September 25, 2011, 12:42:53 PM

ROFL @ all those morons bashing this guy for being depressed since it's unmanly to be depressed. You have no fucking idea what depression is, how to treat it and honestly, you guys sound like old, uneducated "tough" idiots'. You have no idea what this guy been through, maybe his family died? Maybe he's got some other problems? Maybe it's due to hormonal imbalance? I wanna see how tough you guys would be with 0 testosterone or after burying your whole family.

Yup. Alot of People have no idea how bad Depression can get, especially by having a mental illness' or illness' thats causing it. Im not one too wish ANY kind of Terrible affliction on anybody BUT everybody whos talks shit about people with mental illness', i would LOVE/PAY too see them try too live with Not ONE BUT MULITPLE Mental Illness' like i myself have. Life Aint Fair nor is life easy................but neither is living with Mental Illness'. When it comes down too it..........MIND IS EVERYTHING.............. WHEN THE MIND DOESNT WORK PROPERLY, NEITHER WILL THE BODY.........THE BODY FOLLOWS THE MIND AND THE MIND LEADS/CONTROLS THE BODY.

no one · « **Reply #47 on:** September 25, 2011, 04:38:09 PM »

Quote from: chaos on September 25, 2011, 01:34:33 PM

Is that the consensus that he has shut down his own test production? I ask cause I don't think he even did a full cycle, I think he only did a couple weeks and realized what was going on mentally and stopped, not 100% sure, but that was the feeling I got from him.

k cause just coming off anabolics will trigger depression in some.

so if he's all ready battling depression it's a perfect storm.

also the type of compounds he was using could be contributing his condition as well.

in all like I think van b said a lot of variables come into play.

WillGrant · « **Reply #48 on:** September 25, 2011, 04:41:37 PM »

Quote from: Groink on September 25, 2011, 10:01:05 AM

This....

"come off" ??

I don't understand

Disgusted · « **Reply #49 on:** September 25, 2011, 04:48:42 PM »

I know sooooooo many people on these GD no good Fukin anti depressants that are depressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus people need to stop whining and take a hit by life once in a while and stop the blood clot crying. Deal with it instead of looking for a pill to make you feel all warm inside. These pills CAUSE depression among a host of other things including weight gain low sex drive. Next time you feel all whiney dial whine one one.

Author Topic: OK juiceheads........ (Read 14767 times)

Stavios

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