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« Reply #450 on: April 11, 2013, 01:09:57 PM »

TBol..........
explain, i dont know this one
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« Reply #451 on: April 11, 2013, 01:19:20 PM »

explain, i dont know this one

TBol=Oral Turinabol.

No dht, no aromatisation,
Androgenic value = zero

In Holland Tbol is not famous because it must be harsh on the liver and the results are not so big. I don't know it.

Below some information about TBoll.
The change for hairloss is very small Grin



Oral-Turinabol

Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's.

Oral-Turinabol has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect of Oral-Turinabol is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milligram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Testosterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concentration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
mg / tablet


An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.

Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fat burning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy looking muscle system. If Oral-Turinabol were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

Oral-Turinabol enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reliable source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the compound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestos terone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.
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« Reply #452 on: April 12, 2013, 11:11:53 AM »

Forgot to mention something to the members of Team No Hairloss.  Here's the kicker with me and hairloss.  Even before I started thinning badly I had bald patches from alopecia areata. These bald patches would come and go.  Little did I know it was only a prelude to the main event. I'll post a pic later.
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« Reply #453 on: June 08, 2013, 10:29:13 PM »

Its available over the counter in Canada. About $14 a bottle.

2 120ml bottles for $18 @ Costco
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« Reply #454 on: June 08, 2013, 11:29:36 PM »

I was just thinking about the mechanisms of action that causes hair loss, and obviously DHT is the culprit, we all know this. But if DHT is the culprit, why do people experience hair loss from things like Tren? A 19 nor like deca, just more androgenic...?

I have been thinking of doing an experiment when my next cycle starts. I'll run test e at 125 mg per week, and tren at around 400 mg. This is my first time using tren and my prediction is I shouldn't experience much if any hair loss because the test dose is low enough to not have very much convert to DHT, yet high enough to shut down endo production. If I lose significant amounts of hair then DHT is not the sole cause of hair loss.

I kind of did that "experiment" myself, albeit for a different reason than hair loss (but came to the conclusion you were hypothesizing IMHO), which was to prevent estrogen related sides. Experienced no hair loss nor any sides either as reported by many tren users.

Also used low test w/ tren, eq, and dbol. Again no problems. Presently, upped the Sus from 500mg to 750mg the last few weeks, scalp feeling a little itchy and seems to be shedding a little.

NOTE - that up until now i have done various cycle with tren, eq, dbol, var, and test combos -- with test limited to 500mg (Max total dosage 1500 last year once w/ 20mg dbol for 7 weeks). Anymore than 500mg test, i think i am asking for trouble. To curtail the problem -- may up the deca to a 1000mg wkly from 750mg or and Eq 500mg and reduce deca to 500mg -- 500mg each of test/deca/eq. Not sure what the better option is?

Anyways ...

Only cautionary methodology being used presently - started 2-3 months back, because of the fear of shedding on Winny is Nizoral. After reading this thread now leaving it on for 2 days at a time before washing it out. At first it was itchy, now normalized.

P.S. Looking to add 40mg var - safer than dbol 20mg ed for 8 weeks?
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« Reply #455 on: June 10, 2013, 01:23:59 PM »

2 120ml bottles for $18 @ Costco

FYI

That's brand name Nizoral
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« Reply #456 on: June 10, 2013, 01:26:59 PM »

is test + finasteride safe?
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« Reply #457 on: June 10, 2013, 02:17:47 PM »

is test + finasteride safe?

yes
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« Reply #458 on: June 10, 2013, 02:18:59 PM »

yes
should i consider adding nizoral?

have been doing finasteride 2.5mg with test enanthate 300mg

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« Reply #459 on: June 10, 2013, 07:10:37 PM »

is test + finasteride safe?

If you don't mind risking impotency, it is safe.
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« Reply #460 on: June 10, 2013, 10:19:01 PM »

If you don't mind risking impotency, it is safe.
i mean safe for your hair when prone to hairloss

i dont care about impotence, there is always cialis
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« Reply #461 on: June 11, 2013, 09:04:07 AM »

i mean safe for your hair when prone to hairloss

i dont care about impotence, there is always cialis

Interesting. Most men probably care more about being impotent then having hair on their heads. Most women would rather the man in their life be sexually potent too. BTW, Cialis doesn't work for everyone.
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« Reply #462 on: June 11, 2013, 09:52:43 AM »

Interesting. Most men probably care more about being impotent then having hair on their heads. Most women would rather the man in their life be sexually potent too. BTW, Cialis doesn't work for everyone.
the irrational fear of impotence as seen in those who are balding but dont want to try finasteride is "interesting" too...

doesnt make any sense
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« Reply #463 on: June 11, 2013, 09:54:48 AM »

If you don't mind risking impotency, it is safe.

Risk of impotency is extremely low
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« Reply #464 on: June 12, 2013, 12:01:58 AM »

Risk of impotency is extremely low

I could not agree more with you. I took a finasteride for many years because of an enlarged prostrate. I experience impotency which my urologist never suggested was a risk. Maybe he did not think it was worth mentioning. I think it was because I spent a lot of energy thinking my impotency was something I had magically caused by being bisexual, but I could kill him for not mentioning this as a possible side effect.

He retired and I have a new urologist. I no longer take finasteride because I no longer have a prostate.
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« Reply #465 on: June 19, 2013, 09:09:09 AM »

anybody know where to acquirre nizoral 2% in europe? is there a good site to order from? tnx
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« Reply #466 on: June 19, 2013, 09:52:46 AM »

so if you have MPB but you take 2.5mg finasteride, can you take 300mg testosterone and not go bald?

this fella suggests yes, but what is the getbig verdict

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV--jyqWQ50" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV--jyqWQ50</a>
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« Reply #467 on: June 19, 2013, 09:56:07 AM »

anybody know where to acquirre nizoral 2% in europe? is there a good site to order from? tnx

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/

I've ordered niz and fin here.  I have a script now.
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« Reply #468 on: June 19, 2013, 10:47:24 AM »

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/

I've ordered niz and fin here.  I have a script now.

thnx Smiley
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« Reply #469 on: June 19, 2013, 11:27:39 AM »

thnx Smiley
i used to order online

but i got a script now

do you really want to take a chance when your hair is on the line?
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« Reply #470 on: August 04, 2013, 11:08:57 AM »

THE MOST IMPORTANT POST ON HAIRLOSS THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN IN MY OPINION. IT IS FROM MY MENTOR AND INSPIRATION TO USE STEROIDS.


Finasteride has the same effectiveness regardless of testosterone dose or even for that reason androgen increase in general. The only reason that
many take 2.5mgs instead of the recommended 1mgs for hairloss is because  you want to inhibit that 57-60% of total DHT which essentially equals to 
100% inhibition of the 5AR2 enzyme inhibition which is the active DHT that causes attributes to hair loss. Therefore if with 0.5 mgs you inhibit 50% of DHT by 5AR2 inhibition and by injecting 1 gram of test would have still had that 5-10% 5AR2 DHT and therefore as an overall total mgs due to higher testosterone reduced in essence you still run the danger of excess 5AR2 DHT. Now above 5mgs a day of finasteride which is the dose used for prostate anyway, is a waste.

2.5mgs per day sufficient in any case regardell of how much testosterone you wish to take. The hair will only be dependent from the direct stimulation of testosterone on the androgen receptor since the same receptor is used by DHT in the first place. Finasteride only works after being on it at least 0.5mgs ED for a year straight and it is for life. No off periods can be taken. if you are stabilised at 2.5mgs ED you can inject as much testosterone as you like. In fact many times I am on 1400mgs proviron alone. AAS are irrelevant once finasteride halts hair loss. AAS do not cause alopecia only attribute to it by being reduced to DHT or by direct stimulation of the androgen receptor but that to a very lesser degree. In other words you might decide to take 3 grams of test for 16 weeks it will make no difference to hair loss but your hair will appear to be thinner from direct androgen receptor stimulation.
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« Reply #471 on: August 04, 2013, 09:15:54 PM »

I lost most of my hair this morning when I shaved my head.  Grin

Now I don't have to worry about combing it anymore.
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« Reply #472 on: August 06, 2013, 01:04:13 PM »

I lost most of my hair this morning when I shaved my head.  Grin

Now I don't have to worry about combing it anymore.
do people actually comb their norwood 17 toilet seat then Huh
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« Reply #473 on: August 14, 2013, 01:38:08 PM »

What about gyno through finasteride?

Thet say that the herb Red Maca lowers the DHT level generally in the body
Any experiences wit Red Maca
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« Reply #474 on: August 14, 2013, 01:47:02 PM »

What about gyno through finasteride?

Thet say that the herb Red Maca lowers the DHT level generally in the body
Any experiences wit Red Maca
why would you look for other things that lower dht

when there are drugs proven to do so effectively
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