Who wins? Dorian '96 German GP or Ronnie '00 English GP?

[Hulkster]

the black & white photo is Dorian precontest 1995 Kevin Horton said this was the best he's ever seen Dorian he's 283lbs , even better than the famous B&W pics from 1993

and many on this board believe his waist has also been digitally chopped, creating a quad sweep/flair to waist ratio that he never had in real life..

recall, this pic caused a storm of controversy when it first came to light.

and no, I didn't start any of it..

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't care what Ronnie says on the topic of who's better. He could say King Kamali is a better bodybuilder and I still wouldn't listen to him

mind you, he also believes he won the 06 Mr. Olympia which he lost. Do you believe Ronnie to be a credible authority on judging contests?

The difference dummy is I was taking what Ronnie said for what it's worth , an opinion on a subjective subject , you on the other hand are trying to offer up Joe as proof and he's not a judge BTW 

[NeoSeminole]

The difference dummy is I was taking what Ronnie said for what it's worth , an opinion on a subjective subject , you on the other hand are trying to offer up Joe as proof and he's not a judge BTW

do you believe Ronnie to be a credible authority on judging contests?

[Nirvana]

I never said the judges were perfect , fallacy #1

Oh boy lol , it's an opinion that 12 individuals are come to the exact same conclusion on. their opinion is knowledge , informed and unbiased , everything yours is NOT which is exactly why you come to some of your wacky conclusion , ignorance. You don't even know what it takes to judge at the Olympia level and how judges are chosen and you don't care , you've made up your mind and nothing is gonna change it

Their opinions are FACTS and the fact is their opinion made Heath Mr Olympia and Jay second and Wolf not even close , the general bodybuilding population do NOT judge contest so their opinion on the subject means fuck-all in the scheme of things and the general bodybuilding population are all like you , clueless on how the game is even played , yet you think your opinion matters , your opinion is just as you projected on the judges , bias , ignorant and flawed.

go learn how contests are judged and then you'll have a clue , if not keep bitching on the internets it's working out great for thus far.

backpedal please

[NarcissisticDeity]

and his waist has also been digitally chopped, creating a quad sweep/flair to waist ratio that he never had in real life..

recall, this pic caused a storm of controversy when it first came to light.

and no, I didn't start any of it..

LMFAO Hulkster you cried PHOTOSHOPPED the moment it was posted and Kevin Horton addressed you directly and said it was untouched , he said maybe if you posted it ,we'd need to worry about it's authenticity because you were after all BUSTED using worked photos 

[NeoSeminole]

The difference dummy is I was taking what Ronnie said for what it's worth , an opinion on a subjective subject , you on the other hand are trying to offer up Joe as proof and he's not a judge BTW

are you honestly comparing Joe Weider and Ronnie Coleman when it comes to bodybuilding knowledge and expertise? lmao

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie coleman does not judge shows and therefor knows fuckall about how contests are judged

Neither do you , Neo or anyone else

Dorian is a judge and he said outright he's better conditioned than Ronnie and has better balance , but I'm sure you agree because he is a judge.

[NeoSeminole]

Neither do you , Neo or anyone else

Dorian is a judge and he said outright he's better conditioned than Ronnie and has better balance , but I'm sure you agree because he is a judge.

Dorian also admitted that Ronnie at his prime would probably beat him

Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

[NarcissisticDeity]

are you honestly comparing Joe Weider and Ronnie Coleman when it comes to bodybuilding knowledge? lmao

Neither are judges and their opinion on the subjective topic is just that an opinion. see the difference? 

[Nirvana]

Neither do you , Neo or anyone else

Dorian is a judge and he said outright he's better conditioned than Ronnie and has better balance , but I'm sure you agree because he is a judge.

i've went on record multiple times saying i don't use the judges decisions in my arguments.  you've already forgotten.

i just used your logic to prove you wrong.

[Nirvana]

and many on this board believe his waist has also been digitally chopped, creating a quad sweep/flair to waist ratio that he never had in real life..

recall, this pic caused a storm of controversy when it first came to light.

and no, I didn't start any of it..

doesn't matter, ronnie still rapes him in the photoshop round

[NeoSeminole]

Neither are judges and their opinion on the subjective topic is just that an opinion. see the difference?

Joe Weider founded the IFBB. He established the judging criteria that is used. He probably knows it better than anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if he used to train judges when he was younger and the IFBB was starting up

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian also admitted the judges would pick Ronnie over him

Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview

"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."

Oppppssss forgot a part , willful deception.

I don't know  It's a very hard question for me to answer

tampering with quotes wont work kid , you'll need more

if you concede Dorian knows what he's talking about than you concede he's right when he says , he has better balance AND proportion ( two separate this BTW ) and better density & dryness , and what else is there? muscular bulk? and posing , Dorian beats him there too

so Dorian wins by arm bar

[NarcissisticDeity]

Joe Weider founded the IFBB. He established the judging criteria that is used. He probably knows it better than anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if he used to train judges when he was younger and the IFBB was starting up

LMFAO he established the judging criteria , LMMFAO kid go learn about bodybuilding please you're embarrassing yourself

Kid please learn the basics it's beyond ridiculous LMFAO I do look forward to these moments when you commit to massively ignorant statements lol this is why I continue to engage you to make you look stupid. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

i've went on record multiple times saying i don't use the judges decisions in my arguments.  you've already forgotten.

i just used your logic to prove you wrong.

You also don't use common sense , logic , facts , or the basics just nonsense , at least you can admit the obvious.

[Nirvana]

I never said the judges were perfect , fallacy #1

Oh boy lol , it's an opinion that 12 individuals are come to the exact same conclusion on. their opinion is knowledge , informed and unbiased , everything yours is NOT which is exactly why you come to some of your wacky conclusion , ignorance. You don't even know what it takes to judge at the Olympia level and how judges are chosen and you don't care , you've made up your mind and nothing is gonna change it

Their opinions are FACTS and the fact is their opinion made Heath Mr Olympia and Jay second and Wolf not even close , the general bodybuilding population do NOT judge contest so their opinion on the subject means fuck-all in the scheme of things and the general bodybuilding population are all like you , clueless on how the game is even played , yet you think your opinion matters , your opinion is just as you projected on the judges , bias , ignorant and flawed.

go learn how contests are judged and then you'll have a clue , if not keep bitching on the internets it's working out great for thus far.

waiting on an explanation that doesn't involve word play and backpedaling

[berblexer]

So this is the new truce thread?

[Nirvana]

You also don't use common sense , logic , facts , or the basics just nonsense , at least you can admit the obvious.

i beat you with my logic.  you refused it.  so then i used your logic. 

and this post is all you have to say about it.  saying "im right your wrong" doesn't make it true

[Nirvana]

So this is the new truce thread?

another Nd gang rape thread.  pick a hole and stick it

[Nirvana]

waiting on an explanation that doesn't involve word play and backpedaling

let me guess, you never actually used the word "perfect" so it's therefore like all the pitures of ronnie raping dorian


it doesn't count   

[NarcissisticDeity]

waiting on an explanation that doesn't involve word play and backpedaling

I don't see the word perfect do you?  no backpedaling ,show me where I said they were perfect , I'll be waiting.

[NarcissisticDeity]

i beat you with my logic.  you refused it.  so then i used your logic. 

and this post is all you have to say about it.  saying "im right your wrong" doesn't make it true

You have no logic besides retard logic , the moment you declare '  i don't use the judges decisions in my arguments ' is the moment taking your opinion seriously ends , you don't use the judging criteria ( I don't blame you because you'd have to know it first ) you don't use common sense or logic , you troll that's what you do , you state your opinion as fact and run for cover when pushed on your lame statements , you fear a debate because you know like Neo and Hulkster before you , you will get crushed under the weight of your own stupidity.

saying "im right your wrong" doesn't make it true

lmfao oh the irony of this statement , that only applies to me huh?  kid go back to the drawing board and learn how to formulate an argument.

[NarcissisticDeity]

and many on this board believe his waist has also been digitally chopped, creating a quad sweep/flair to waist ratio that he never had in real life..

recall, this pic caused a storm of controversy when it first came to light.

and no, I didn't start any of it..

What's the point of posting 93 compared to 95?  he's much heavier in the top pic

and here is YOU crying about how that pic was ' morphed ' and Kevin Horton owning you into oblivion 

[NeoSeminole]

damn, ND got owned hard in this thread!

[NarcissisticDeity]

damn, ND got owned hard in this thread!

explain to me again how Joe Weider established the judging criteria  because there were NO contests before the IFBB