I think most peole could figure out that you should´nt do pro doses when starting up with gear. When I started tren, eq and gh and prop I did tren 50 mg eod, eq 300 mg, gh 2 iu and prop 50 mg eod... actually I tried out even smaller to check if the gear was legit. After 3 months or so on I add some more, Cycle some orals in and out. I am not a newbie either I´ve been bodybuilding and competing since 1995. I am a newbie on tren and gh though. Now i´m at 100 mg tren eod, 400 mg eq, 100 mg prop eod, 3 iu gh. Good shit. I´m gonna stay on this for 1-2 years straight and see if I can get better than before. I used to compete with sustanon 1g week, dbol 50 mg ed and winstrol 50 mg ed. LOL