You are wrong if you say protein powder is garbage.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

No, but you neither need to spend money on casein...

oh yea I know. I guess I just go with the broscience anyway. I figure why take another scoop of whey when I can just take casein instead? The price isn't that much more expensive. I know I don't need it though. Sometimes I'll skip a bedtime shake if I ate too much that day.

[kh300]

Are protein powders convenient?....sure

But if you dont have the time or energy to prepare real meals. Then this is not the sport for you. The best results do not come from short cuts and bodybuilding is no exception.

[aesthetics]

Are protein powders convenient?....sure

But if you dont have the time or energy to prepare real meals. Then this is not the sport for you. The best results do not come from short cuts and bodybuilding is no exception.

 

this is exactly what those "naturals" selling supplements and workout equipment say about steroids

[closeline]

this is exactly what those "naturals" selling supplements and workout equipment say about steroids

exactly

good observation

[theEsquire]

WHY

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EGG WHITES IN WALMART?



drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,

what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need

gh15 approved

1-2 of my meals every day come in liquid form.  It's by necessity as I have to sit in court all morning and sometimes until early afternoon.  I've had no problems with 1/2 egg white, 1/2 whey, pineapple juice shakes.  However, because I am a true believer in The Bible, I cut out the whey for awhile and started drinking all egg white and pineapple juice shakes.  The egg whites wreaked havoc on my digestive system.  Major indigestion and diarrhea.  I even tried taking digestive enzymes but that didn't solve the problem.  I'd love to not rely on whey protein but the discomfort from the egg whites isn't worth it.  I don't know if anyone else has had this problem.

[wes]

Do you thinkwhey is shit Wes??

PT

No I don`t,but I would rather eat whole food as a rule.

[pillowtalk]

No I don`t,but I would rather eat whole food as a rule.

Why would you would rather eat whole food as a rule?? Don't get me wrong, I do, Whey is PWO & when I am stuck in the office (I have cold storage for my shakes).
I eat more Chicken/Eggs, because I can not get MPI over here (there is only 1 import licence in Delhi, & he only just got it).
If I could get MPI here I would mix it 50/50 with the WPC80 & be happy doing 3 shakes & 3 meals a day, as I have in the past with good result.
TBH, I hate chewing & swallowing x6 meals a day 

PT

[wes]

Why would you would rather eat whole food as a rule?? Don't get me wrong, I do, Whey is PWO & when I am stuck in the office (I have cold storage for my shakes).
I eat more Chicken/Eggs, because I can not get MPI over here (there is only 1 import licence in Delhi, & he only just got it).
If I could get MPI here I would mix it 50/50 with the WPC80 & be happy doing 3 shakes & 3 meals a day, as I have in the past with good result.
TBH, I hate chewing & swallowing x6 meals a day 

PT

Because after 30 minutes or so,I`m hugry again after taking whey mixed in water.

Not very satisfying at all as far as making you feel satiated.

[notsureifsrs]

Are protein powders convenient?....sure

But if you dont have the time or energy to prepare real meals. Then this is not the sport for you. The best results do not come from short cuts and bodybuilding is no exception.

Since when bodybuilding became a sport?

[pillowtalk]

Since when bodybuilding became a sport?

Did you not hear about the 2012 Olympics classic in London   

PT

[pillowtalk]

Because after 30 minutes or so,I`m hugry again after taking whey mixed in water.

Not very satisfying at all as far as making you feel satiated.

I mix it with maltodextrine/oats & flavours, seems to last for 3hrs before I want to eat again.
You having it on it's own in water??

PT

[wes]

I mix it with maltodextrine/oats & flavours, seems to last for 3hrs before I want to eat again.
You having it on it's own in water??

PT

Usually just water but at times I`ll mix it with oats at post-workout.

[closeline]

from the e-mail chad sent to ronnie coleman regarding diet in prep until competition

does anybody belive its fake  ?

3 whey isolate shakes of 90 gramms each per day !!

[closeline]

the funny thing is

it was not a BSN Product he used, bsn products he actually took just for the camera, LOL

same thing when he was with weider the years before LOL

[Shockwave]

Usually just water but at times I`ll mix it with oats at post-workout.

Question - do you mix it with dry, blended oats, or do you cook the oatmeal and then mix it?

I cant stand the texture of dry blended oats in my shake.

[MrBigandCut]

lol.... a couple of yars of peanut butter? good luck with that 
so you think that right after eating fat , it will allready be in your blood??? it will be in your stomach and guts... and be slowely synthesized... fat slows down metabolism quite a bit...
nuts and egg yolks are great... no need to panic....

blood thickens on steroids because of more red blood cells.... nothing to do with dietery fats...
fats are good... high fat diets are healthy...
diets high in carbs especially simple carbs are what brought the Western diseases.... Type 2 diabetics..
a high total cholesterol level is no problem! as long as the ratio between hdl and ldl is correct...
please do some research before you go and say stuff... use google as i am to lazy now....
egg
fish oil
olive oil
lean meat
nuts
fish
all healthy.... just go easy on red meats
combine these foods with a little complex carbs around training... and you have a very healthy diet.
but like all diets you will not be able to do it forever as it gets boring eating the same stuff.... lol...

Ah right your one of them! lol! I have to admit I have been there myself many years ago and I was a big believer in all this high fats and its really good for you shit! The secret ! ha ha !!!  Unfortuately I came to realise that this thinking is total bullshit for bodybuilding and will leave you just flat and small. Keto and all the other varieties are just total pugwash!!!

Many years wasted my friend! Bodybuilders need to have lots of carbs to keep muscles big and full, protein for optimum growth and a few healthy fats for vital body functions. This is the wheel of bodybuilding and it is round don't try and reinvent the wheel it is already round just roll with it! and if your taking gear the CARBS are even more important than the fats for results! This is just how it is! Name a Pro in the top 10 at the moment that does Keto?

[wes]

Question - do you mix it with dry, blended oats, or do you cook the oatmeal and then mix it?

I cant stand the texture of dry blended oats in my shake.

I use dry oats but they suck up a lot of the water.

[wes]

Ah right your one of them! lol! I have to admit I have been there myself many years ago and I was a big believer in all this high fats and its really good for you shit! The secret ! ha ha !!!  Unfortuately I came to realise that this thinking is total bullshit for bodybuilding and will leave you just flat and small. Keto and all the other varieties are just total pugwash!!!

Many years wasted my friend! Bodybuilders need to have lots of carbs to keep muscles big and full, protein for optimum growth and a few healthy fats for vital body functions. This is the wheel of bodybuilding and it is round don't try and reinvent the wheel it is already round just roll with it! and if your taking gear the CARBS are even more important than the fats for results! This is just how it is! Name a Pro in the top 10 at the moment that does Keto?

I`ve been telling people for years now that they`ll get enough trace fats in their diets...no need to add more.

[MrBigandCut]

I`ve been telling people fro years now that they`ll get enough trace fats in their diets...no need to add more.

Your right Wes! This fat thing went out with the Arc! but people keep reinventing it, and people keep bloody buying it!! time and time again!!!! Like I said the bodybuilding wheel is round don't fight it just roll with it!! lol   

[pillowtalk]

I`ve been telling people fro years now that they`ll get enough trace fats in their diets...no need to add more.

110kg = how amny grams of fat a day in your opinion Wes.

PT

[wes]

110kg = how amny grams of fat a day in your opinion Wes.

PT

I wouldn`t bother adding them up,just be aware that you get fats from egg yolks,fish,peanut butter,cottage cheese,beef,salmon,etc. etc.

More than enough already.

I had a guy asking me to critique his pre-contest diet and he was eating 10 Tbsp. of olive oil trying to get cut along with high carbs........that 1000 calories just from the olive oil alone.............too calorie dense.

Most people have to lose weight/fat to get cut up,this guy actually argued with me when I told him to drop all of that oil.......idiot!!

[wes]

Your right Wes! This fat thing went out with the Arc! but people keep reinventing it, and people keep bloody buying it!! time and time again!!!! Like I said the bodybuilding wheel is round don't fight it just roll with it!! lol   

^THIS^

[OptimusPrime1980]

Ah right your one of them! lol! I have to admit I have been there myself many years ago and I was a big believer in all this high fats and its really good for you shit! The secret ! ha ha !!!  Unfortuately I came to realise that this thinking is total bullshit for bodybuilding and will leave you just flat and small. Keto and all the other varieties are just total pugwash!!!

Many years wasted my friend! Bodybuilders need to have lots of carbs to keep muscles big and full, protein for optimum growth and a few healthy fats for vital body functions. This is the wheel of bodybuilding and it is round don't try and reinvent the wheel it is already round just roll with it! and if your taking gear the CARBS are even more important than the fats for results! This is just how it is! Name a Pro in the top 10 at the moment that does Keto?

you do not need to tell me what bodybuilders need my friend...
and YOU need to learn how to read.. where did i mention KETO?
i even metioned complex carbs should be eaten.... how is that KETO???
keto = crap.....  
and i was talking about health... not bodybuilding...
talking about reinventing the wheel.... lol.. how that???
if you know me a little and read my posts you know i do not even diet... lol!
eat what i want , i just keep it healthy...
but when i need to get in topshape... i do eat a high fat diet.... that is what gets me in shape..
we are not all the same you know??
i agree you can not bodybuild without carbs.... but not everybody needs the same amount... i can go days without carbs and feel and look fine.
a lot of guys eat waaaaay to much carbs and to little healthy fats.
also to little sat fats.. as they are very important as well!
furthermore i am not ONE OF THOSE... i am my own self made man... i tried every diet and no what works for me...have field experience.... not stupid theoretic stuff that looks good on paper... but doen't work!
also helped a lot of guys get in shape...
some on many carbs some on low carbs... but always the fats were there...
this whole fat scare thing is silly!

and one more thing.... it's the drugs that do 90% of the work.... diet only assist in the process....
with the right drugs ALL diets work.... just one bodybuild needs less carbs other needs more.... whatever...
fats should always be there!!! they are essential you know.... ever heard of essential carbs?
fats + protein builds the muscle and carbs are the fuel.... and not every car need the same amount of fuel...
all 3 should be there....
but cut out fats to much and you ruin the process....

[AlphaMaleDawg]

from the e-mail chad sent to ronnie coleman regarding diet in prep until competition

does anybody belive its fake  ?

3 whey isolate shakes of 90 gramms each per day !!

I dont know if it is real or fake, but why do you have trouble believing he would drink those shakes? Pros drink shakes too, believe it or not.

You know why? Because whey protein does EXACTLY the same thing to your body that solid protein does. How the hell does your body know whether you are drinking protein or eating it??? It doesn't give a shit how and what you consume, as long as it's protein

[Morsprincipium]

Question for you guys on insulin:

You don't use shakes immediately post-workout or intraworkout to get carbs?

Would be pretty hard IMO to get them without shakes...