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« Reply #125 on: February 24, 2012, 04:45:07 PM »

How does that answer my question at all?  Lack of interest in woman's bodybuilding has zero to do with the question of what motivates female bodybuilders (as well as fitness and figure competitors) to take up the "sport"

Funny Bay is dodging this question too, because using the faulty logic he applies to male bodybuilders he would have to find a sexual motivation for female bodybuilders/fitness/and figure competitors to gain more muscle than what most men find sexually attractive.  And guess what - there is none. 


Why do bulldyke's do everything possible to look more masculine and butch, when 99% of people are attracted to femininity?

The angle is that female bodybuilders find it gratifying to be physically powerful and to recieve attention from a certain group of fans, however small that may be.

Your personality dictates this, however popularistic it may or may not be.

Male bodybuilders are the same, they derive pleasure from the perception of power that being muscular grants them and enjoy the adulation from the fanbase. That would be indicative of a flexible sexuality at the least.

Bearing in mind sexuality isn't as straight forward as penetration or dom/sub. Lot's of dfferent variance's out there.
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« Reply #126 on: February 24, 2012, 05:09:22 PM »


Why do bulldyke's do everything possible to look more masculine and butch, when 99% of people are attracted to femininity?

The angle is that female bodybuilders find it gratifying to be physically powerful and to recieve attention from a certain group of fans, however small that may be.

Your personality dictates this, however popularistic it may or may not be.

Male bodybuilders are the same, they derive pleasure from the perception of power that being muscular grants them and enjoy the adulation from the fanbase. That would be indicative of a flexible sexuality at the least.


Your post was correct until you hit the part I bolded.  Attention does motivate bodybuilders, but does not need to be sexual, in fact most of the times the attention is non-sexual.  For example, straight bodybuilders who feel good inside even at hearing "negative attention" like others calling them freaks, too big, too vascular, unattractive, etc.  Lots of non-sexual motivation.
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« Reply #127 on: February 24, 2012, 05:50:12 PM »

Your post was correct until you hit the part I bolded.  Attention does motivate bodybuilders, but does not need to be sexual, in fact most of the times the attention is non-sexual.  For example, straight bodybuilders who feel good inside even at hearing "negative attention" like others calling them freaks, too big, too vascular, unattractive, etc.  Lots of non-sexual motivation.


Well, that's correct too. Smiley It's why i disagree with Bay. Gay guys are generally hypersexual, this is how Bay sees the world, he sexualises everything.

I see it more as them being amoral, they just don't give a fuck, anything to get ahead. In a similar vein to Actors, popstars, models and the like.
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« Reply #128 on: February 24, 2012, 06:21:26 PM »


Well, that's correct too. Smiley It's why i disagree with Bay. Gay guys are generally hypersexual, this is how Bay sees the world, he sexualises everything.

I see it more as them being amoral, they just don't give a fuck, anything to get ahead. In a similar vein to Actors, popstars, models and the like.

ah I misunderstood you, my bad.

Yes just like ND said there are some gays among competitive bb's as well as in the crowd, but to say all or even most are gay is just ridiculous.
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« Reply #129 on: February 27, 2012, 05:27:30 PM »

Here is a link to Bower's book on Google Books:  http://snurl.com/fullservice.  Did a search in the book for Reeves and don't get any hits.  Unfortunately, can't see page 189, the page that supposedly says Bowers tricked out Reeves to Cukor. 

I think the LA times reviewer hits it on the head...says that the book should be called "Forrest Hump", since Bowers name drops just about every Hollywood star from the 40's, 50's and 60's.  (Bower even claims to have met J. Edgar Hoover and John Holmes.)  http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/14/entertainment/la-et-0214-book-20120214  Sounds like someone making up a fictitious story of tabloid trash than an actual non-fiction, autobiographical account. 
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« Reply #130 on: February 27, 2012, 08:59:08 PM »

Here is a link to Bower's book on Google Books:  http://snurl.com/fullservice.  Did a search in the book for Reeves and don't get any hits.  Unfortunately, can't see page 189, the page that supposedly says Bowers tricked out Reeves to Cukor. 

I think the LA times reviewer hits it on the head...says that the book should be called "Forrest Hump", since Bowers name drops just about every Hollywood star from the 40's, 50's and 60's.  (Bower even claims to have met J. Edgar Hoover and John Holmes.)  http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/14/entertainment/la-et-0214-book-20120214  Sounds like someone making up a fictitious story of tabloid trash than an actual non-fiction, autobiographical account. 
so he says he was a pimped?
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« Reply #131 on: July 02, 2012, 02:43:27 PM »

Took a gander at Scotty Bowers' just released memoir, 'Full Service,' detailing his many years as a Hollywood fixer/pimp. There was no index, so I couldn't look up actors and page nos, so I rifled the pics. Well, I find a pic of Steve Reeves, who Bowers notes like many BBers, wasn't gay, but frequently rented himself out for money. Bowers specifically mentions tricking out Reeves to George Cukor. And away we go.....  

Just read this book, he specifically mentions reeves as you said, not being gay but tricking himself to George Cukor because he was short of money....

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« Reply #132 on: July 02, 2012, 02:44:43 PM »

Here is a link to Bower's book on Google Books:  http://snurl.com/fullservice.  Did a search in the book for Reeves and don't get any hits.  Unfortunately, can't see page 189, the page that supposedly says Bowers tricked out Reeves to Cukor. 

I think the LA times reviewer hits it on the head...says that the book should be called "Forrest Hump", since Bowers name drops just about every Hollywood star from the 40's, 50's and 60's.  (Bower even claims to have met J. Edgar Hoover and John Holmes.)  http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/14/entertainment/la-et-0214-book-20120214  Sounds like someone making up a fictitious story of tabloid trash than an actual non-fiction, autobiographical account. 

I thought this, did my research, everyone who is still alive backs up what Bowers said, also saying Bowers is one of the most honest people they met, and if he said it, then they had no doubt its true, Gore Vidal being among them.
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« Reply #133 on: July 02, 2012, 02:50:11 PM »

Here is a link to Bower's book on Google Books:  http://snurl.com/fullservice.  Did a search in the book for Reeves and don't get any hits.  Unfortunately, can't see page 189, the page that supposedly says Bowers tricked out Reeves to Cukor.  

I think the LA times reviewer hits it on the head...says that the book should be called "Forrest Hump", since Bowers name drops just about every Hollywood star from the 40's, 50's and 60's.  (Bower even claims to have met J. Edgar Hoover and John Holmes.)  http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/14/entertainment/la-et-0214-book-20120214  Sounds like someone making up a fictitious story of tabloid trash than an actual non-fiction, autobiographical account.  

Ill type up the passage...

"One of the better known bodybuilders at the time was Steve Reeves, but there were many others.I once sent Steve Reeves over to George Cukor as a trick.Steve was a little hard up at the time and did it purely for the cash"

He then talks about how the gay guys would watch the musclemen in Venice beach while jerking off before going on to talk about how Mae West fell for Paul Novak, became massively possesive of him and essentially ruined his life.
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« Reply #134 on: July 02, 2012, 02:55:58 PM »

  What people do for money
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« Reply #135 on: July 02, 2012, 03:09:27 PM »

Some other funny bits, Hunchback of Notre Dame star like to have men shit in a bowl, then he would spread it in a sandwich and eat it.Tyrone Power like to piss and shit and be shit on by men and women.Perry Mason like the cock, as did James Dean, Montogomery Clift and hundreds of others.Kathrine Hepburn was a lesbian and he set her up with over 150 women.Spencer Tracey liked long nights of passionate sex with men.
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« Reply #136 on: July 02, 2012, 03:42:25 PM »

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« Reply #137 on: July 02, 2012, 06:09:30 PM »

There are some persons in this world, who, unable to give better proof of being wise, take a strange delight in showing what they think they have sagaciously read in mankind by uncharitable suspicions of them.  -  Herman Melville

Steve Reeves loved women and rest assured that women loved Steve Reeves. 

There is no real, undeniable proof on these boards of Reeves being homosexual or even that of having homosexual relations for monetary gain save that of the apparently resident Dairy Queen on these boards aka, "Bay" shouting from the flophouse rooftops that Steve Reeves was homosexual.  Now if we couple that sordid proof with the smega filled book by Bowers we are expected to believe that Reeves (and by association any man with a good build) is homosexual and willing to sell himself to other more affluent homosexuals. 

If that is proof of anything it is most assuredly proof that a pathetic little man-child, aka, "Bay", wants everyone to be as pathetic as he.

There are homosexul men that are men of good character but this quisling to decency is not among them.

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« Reply #138 on: July 02, 2012, 07:47:42 PM »

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« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2012, 09:14:29 PM »

Reeves was a muscular saint, that would never have done such ungodly things, he had too much character

Plus it was pre-information age, so no proof, so it never happenned



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« Reply #140 on: July 02, 2012, 10:53:21 PM »

There are some persons in this world, who, unable to give better proof of being wise, take a strange delight in showing what they think they have sagaciously read in mankind by uncharitable suspicions of them.  -  Herman Melville

Steve Reeves loved women and rest assured that women loved Steve Reeves. 

There is no real, undeniable proof on these boards of Reeves being homosexual or even that of having homosexual relations for monetary gain save that of the apparently resident Dairy Queen on these boards aka, "Bay" shouting from the flophouse rooftops that Steve Reeves was homosexual.  Now if we couple that sordid proof with the smega filled book by Bowers we are expected to believe that Reeves (and by association any man with a good build) is homosexual and willing to sell himself to other more affluent homosexuals. 

If that is proof of anything it is most assuredly proof that a pathetic little man-child, aka, "Bay", wants everyone to be as pathetic as he.

There are homosexul men that are men of good character but this quisling to decency is not among them.


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« Reply #141 on: July 02, 2012, 10:55:34 PM »

The training, eating, drugs etc. is not soley in order to flex to an audience.  It's a preferred look the individual has and is willing to do a lot to obtain it.  Not everything we do has sexual motives.  Sometimes I wear clothes for example that my wife doesn't like or I know women in general don't like, but it's just a look I prefer so I do it...not everything we do is in order to attract someone sexually.

As for the second part, competing, most do it just out of a sense of competitiveness, to see where they stand against others who are pursuing a muscular physique, or in extreme cases as in the top few in the world it's done even to earn an income.  Again, doesn't have to be sexual in any way.  I bet less than 10% of competitive boybuilders are motivated to compete in order to impress any gender or get laid.

You really find it difficult thinking outside of the sexual-box huh?  Undecided

This.

I don't lift weights for anyone...man or woman. I do it for me. and if I were to compete, i would do that for myself as well.To see what i can accomplish with my physique.  Who was in the fucking audience wouldn't enter my mind...WINNING would enter my mind.
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« Reply #142 on: July 02, 2012, 11:07:10 PM »

Yeah,but Reeves had movie star good looks as well as a great physique....it`s not impossible that someone spotted him and wanted him in their flicks based on this alone.

I`m not naieve` and maybe he was gay/bi or put out for the roles he got,but I`d need more proof than this book to convince me of that.


Reeves is from a time when there really was a gay cabal in Hollywood...all of the guys from that time in the 50's were gay...Rock Hudson...Cary Grant....Tyrone Powell..... and that guy who was in "Rebel without a Cause"..I read a book by a powerful agent who found Rock Hudson and he stated that during that time, the emphasis was on finding actors and that actresses were basically marginalized due to the gay activity going on at the studios....the heads of the movie studios used the casting couch for male actors just as they had done in the past with female actresses

its not inconceivable that Reeves put out for these movie moguls....not saying he was a bottom.....and a lot of guys who did that sort of thing were not gay...they gritted their teeth and did what they had to do..unlike Bay, who wants everyone to be gay, I believe that guys will suck it up (literally) and do what they have to do for the paycheck and fame....doesn't mean they are gay...just like the guys in prison who engage in sex are mostly not gay..just horny and want to get off
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« Reply #143 on: July 03, 2012, 12:36:21 AM »

Probably because the whole purpose of bodybuilding is to show off your body--to other men.  Men who view this as a worthwhile hobby/profession and the men who want to watch the results of this endeavor tend to be men who like men.  They may not self identify as gay, but...

The quote has probably more truth than what is comfortable for Getbiggers to accept. The general public, family, and friends all consider competitive bodybuilding suspect. It is narcissistic, maybe gay, makes you musclebound, and is probably practiced by dumbbells. Those of us who fancy women and never men would be oblivious of our motivation to show off on stage in front of a largely male audience. We cut photos of champions out and put them up on walls to motivate us. Never was there any hint that this might be a gay thing. We felt otherwise, that it was how one became a he-man. If you looked big and strong then you were a super man. Back in the day homosexuality was considered a mental illness so there was a stigma then that lingers today. It was believed that gay guys were produced by single mothers who coddled their sons. Effeminate boys became gay men. That isn't exactly what the reality was but that is what psychologists more of less believed. Today we know that all kinds and types of men can be homosexual, not just the feminine types. We learn that gayness is an innate wiring and upbringing has little to do with the orientation.

No one knows what lies in our brains at the unconscious level. What we do know is that Getbiggers fear gayness more than anything else. They accuse others of being gay and this is a huge putdown to most. We would rather die than be gay! From this thread it appears that most of the Flotsam here are not at all gay or sympathetic to them.
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« Reply #144 on: July 03, 2012, 12:53:11 AM »

You are wrong, there are also a lot of women at bodybuilding shows but for some reason you choose to ignore that, gay guys also go to mma and boxing show because those guys are showing off their bodies also, does that make it a gay sport no, so being a bodybuilder or mma fighter or boxer is a heterosexual ambition like anything else.
Fact: 90% of mma fighters make GAY PORN. The purses that are said to be paid to them....not even close. You all are in denial, and it is so sad.....
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« Reply #145 on: July 03, 2012, 01:10:59 AM »

The general public, family, and friends all consider competitive bodybuilding suspect. It is narcissistic, maybe gay, makes you musclebound, and is probably practiced by dumbbells. Those of us who fancy women and never men would be oblivious of our motivation to show off on stage in front of a largely male audience. We cut photos of champions out and put them up on walls to motivate us. Never was there any hint that this might be a gay thing. We felt otherwise, that it was how one became a he-man. If you looked big and strong then you were a super man.

That's a view I share (no homo)

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« Reply #146 on: July 03, 2012, 01:13:44 AM »

Took a gander at Scotty Bowers' just released memoir, 'Full Service,' detailing his many years as a Hollywood fixer/pimp. There was no index, so I couldn't look up actors and page nos, so I rifled the pics. Well, I find a pic of Steve Reeves, who Bowers notes like many BBers, wasn't gay, but frequently rented himself out for money. Bowers specifically mentions tricking out Reeves to George Cukor. And away we go.....  

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« Reply #147 on: July 03, 2012, 03:01:50 AM »

The quote has probably more truth than what is comfortable for Getbiggers to accept. The general public, family, and friends all consider competitive bodybuilding suspect. It is narcissistic, maybe gay, makes you musclebound, and is probably practiced by dumbbells. Those of us who fancy women and never men would be oblivious of our motivation to show off on stage in front of a largely male audience. We cut photos of champions out and put them up on walls to motivate us. Never was there any hint that this might be a gay thing. We felt otherwise, that it was how one became a he-man. If you looked big and strong then you were a super man. Back in the day homosexuality was considered a mental illness so there was a stigma then that lingers today. It was believed that gay guys were produced by single mothers who coddled their sons. Effeminate boys became gay men. That isn't exactly what the reality was but that is what psychologists more of less believed. Today we know that all kinds and types of men can be homosexual, not just the feminine types. We learn that gayness is an innate wiring and upbringing has little to do with the orientation.

No one knows what lies in our brains at the unconscious level. What we do know is that Getbiggers fear gayness more than anything else. They accuse others of being gay and this is a huge putdown to most. We would rather die than be gay! From this thread it appears that most of the Flotsam here are not at all gay or sympathetic to them.


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« Reply #148 on: July 03, 2012, 03:12:13 AM »

Most guys who are homophobic probably fear they might be closet-homosexuals so they need to detract attention.
Just like that one guy in the movie 'American Beauty'.

If one has nothing to fear then who cares how someone else lives their life?
Anyway, it's only the minority that are the annoying camp types, however because these types are the most obvious and visible so they are what people consider as being a homosexual.
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« Reply #149 on: July 03, 2012, 04:16:08 AM »

Ill type up the passage...

"One of the better known bodybuilders at the time was Steve Reeves, but there were many others.I once sent Steve Reeves over to George Cukor as a trick.Steve was a little hard up at the time and did it purely for the cash"


Maybe Reeves did a private posing session? That he went up to Cukors house does not necessarily mean he had sex with him I think.

With regards to Arnold: for B and C list actors and Builders g4p activities were more of an necessity than for top list people like Steve or Arnold? If you belong to the top three of your sport or line of work, you will probably get offers instead of having to beg and ask for things. They usually are in a much stronger position I think.

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