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Author Topic: Barbell Rows...Am I the only one with this problem?  (Read 5640 times)
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 03:34:36 PM »



do it.

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I like those too. Everyone says it's hard to breathe properly when you go heavy, but not really. I think the best I worked upto was 6 plates for 10-12 and 7 plates for 5-6, although I would usually do them later in the workout and not go that heavy.
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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2012, 03:42:25 PM »



do it.

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We have a machine like that, since a short while. I've tried it, but I get a better contraction with a barbell since I can start with the load before my shoulders and end against my stomach, lets call them "belly crushers"  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 03:46:29 PM »

the muscle you have highlighted in red, the latissimus, doesnt come into play too much when your bent over to 90 degrees. rear delts, traps, and a few other upper back muscle come into play quite heavily, and a little  bit of stress is put on the upper portions of the latissimus... while a great deal of streesss is put on the lower lumbar/spinal erector.


the main reason for doing the exericse at around 45 degree is because that is the position that engages the lats greatest.

Call it bro science or bro experience, I feel my lats a lot better in the 90 degree version, prob because I'm able to contract my back better than with the 45-version. I also feel a better stretch in my lats in the lower position.
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 03:47:24 PM »

people who don't feel the contraction in the lats have poor lat development.

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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2012, 03:48:59 PM »

people who don't feel the contraction in the lats have poor lat development.



LOL, I said "better contraction" and back is one of my strong points.
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« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 03:49:03 PM »

Call it bro science or bro experience, I feel my lats a lot better in the 90 degree version, prob because I'm able to contract my back better than with the 45-version. I also feel a better stretch in my lats in the lower position.
I do think it`s a bit easier on the lower back that the 45 degree version if going heavier.
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2012, 03:49:30 PM »

I don`t particularly like them this way,but that`s just me........ one thing about bodybuilding is that if something works for you,you should exploit it to the max!


Find out what works best and go for it.

I'm sorry I meant torso nearly parallel to the floor
I do t agree with Yates form for bb row and all this nonsense about Yates row
Like I said in another thread if someone else did rows like that, then he would be laughed at for bad form
Dorian had good back genes....so because he had awesome back people are sheep and imitated
But rows IMO should be done torso close parallel to the floor
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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2012, 03:51:40 PM »

I'm sorry I meant torso nearly parallel to the floor
I do t agree with Yates form for bb row and all this nonsense about Yates row
Like I said in another thread if someone else did rows like that, then he would be laughed at for bad form
Dorian had good back genes....so because he had awesome back people are sheep and imitated
But rows IMO should be done torso close parallel to the floor
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2012, 03:51:50 PM »

Lee Preist had the worrst back, Paul Dillet was second.


Dont ask these guys.
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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2012, 03:52:24 PM »

Lee Preist had the worrst back, Paul Dillet was second.


Dont ask these guys.
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2012, 03:52:39 PM »

Alpha, I'm with you man.  I rep out 225-275 very strict but anything 315+ is kinda "sloppy".  I find that I don't really care though LOL.  I mean, even though there is a little momentum going from low back or legs I'm still moving heavy poundages(for me), AND I feel it in my lats while I'm doing it so I know it works.  Plus I've had decent thickness improvements since I started going heavy.

I do them Yates style at about a 45 degre angle and pull the bar straight up into my stomach and hold it for just a breif moment.  
I don't like the chest supported rows because I find it hard to breath with any amount of weight on the contraption.
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2012, 03:52:45 PM »

LOL, I said "better contraction" and back is one of my strong points.

If my arms weren't mind-boggling i'd say the same.
My lats hang like slabs of meat  Wink
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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2012, 03:53:47 PM »

I do think it`s a bit easier on the lower back that the 45 degree version if going heavier.

I agree, but like I've said "there's no need to adjust an exercise in order to go as heavy as possible.". Bodybuilding is about stimulation, not about lifting as heavy as possible. However, I have nothing against some cheat reps, but not all the time, like some tend to do during their back training.
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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2012, 03:56:48 PM »

If my arms weren't mind-boggling i'd say the same.
My lats hang like slabs of meat  Wink
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Well Spain, esp Barcelona and Madrid, is on my holiday wish list  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2012, 03:58:11 PM »



do it.

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Superior. Years ago, I approached the manager of our gym chain to get said piece of equipment. His eyes glazed over before I even described it.    Undecided

/there are a couple of gyms in the big smoke that have it, tho.
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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2012, 03:59:39 PM »

your form suffers because you cant lift the weight without momentum. the best way to determine what weight to use is to find the weight that allows you to hold the weight at the highest contraction. with a weight swinged up to get to that point you wont be able to do that.
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2012, 04:02:00 PM »

Well Spain, esp Barcelona and Madrid, is on my holiday wish list  Wink



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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2012, 04:02:58 PM »

I agree, but like I've said "there's no need to adjust an exercise in order to go as heavy as possible.". Bodybuilding is about stimulation, not about lifting as heavy as possible. However, I have nothing against some cheat reps, but not all the time, like some tend to do during their back training.
X2 totally agree.
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« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2012, 04:03:06 PM »

This appears to be a thread about bodybuilding and exercise form on the G & O. Very strange goings-on here at Getbig today.
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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2012, 04:10:05 PM »

This appears to be a thread about bodybuilding and exercise form on the G & O. Very strane goings-on here at Gebtig today.
Almost like a real bodybuilding board!  Grin
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« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2012, 04:31:41 PM »

I always liked you and enjoy your posts,now I like you even more!  Grin

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« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2012, 04:40:29 PM »

BB rows supersetted by the preceding chins, works extremely well for me and like you said, that way i can use low weight with correct form and really squeeze my lats
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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2012, 04:41:10 PM »

Its true though you see these guys on youtube.... rowing 405 video titled ... "yates row 405 for 10 reps"

makes me laugh everytime....
guarantee you if mike matazaro .. wore high heels and called them mike heels for calves
you would have a bunch of sheep people following too
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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2012, 04:43:12 PM »

BB rows supersetted by the preceding chins, works extremely well for me and like you said, that way i can use low weight with correct form and really squeeze my lats
Awesome! A time-shifting back work out.    Roll Eyes
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« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2012, 05:03:54 PM »

Don't worry about feeling a stretch.  I think to many people mis-use the barbell row.  It's not meant to be a pumping out or "feel" exercise.  It's meant for power.  Don't worry as much about "feel" with these.  Bend over at 70 degrees or so, grab it, ram it up hard into the belly button, lower and repeat.  Pure strength, pure bread and butter.

Use stiff arm pullovers and machine pullovers + pulldowns and other cable or machine exercises to "feel" the lats contracting.  When rowing with the barbell focus on everything involved.  For years I only focused on trying to get the feeling in my lats and completely missed the purpose of the exercise.  When I started focusing on feeling it in my lats, upper back, rear delts, traps, biceps, every where is when I started getting the most out of barbell rows.  This is the bread and butter movement that is meant to build the back and all other supporting muscle groups around it. 

Go heavy, exhaust EVERY muscle involved, no isolation of the back specifically.  Save the other exercises for that purpose.  But for rows in particular, focus on brutalizing everything.  I know this goes against what most of us are taught, but then again look at who writes these muscle building articles and teaches this isolation and "feel" stuff.  Most of these magazine and book authors have never experienced sore lats.  This is what makes us question Ronnie and Branches form among other pro's, but yet it's obviously working.  I'm not saying to use loose form like these guys do, but I can also see why it works as well.

For instance when I train chest, I now focus on building and contracting the pecs, front delts, and triceps.  Not just contracting the pecs.  I contract all of it.  Do the same with the back and you won't go wrong.
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