Author Topic: Insulin on its own (Read 9901 times)

Beyond Genetics · « **on:** November 02, 2005, 06:10:53 PM »

How big of a difference do you guys think insulin alone makes in bodybuilding if not used with GH, only AAS?

muscle19 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 02, 2005, 08:03:51 PM »

alot of guys use it as a bridge, which can help with keeping gains from that cycle. even with aas, if used right can benefit ur gains but in my opinion, it is just too dangerous to even try to mess with it. if u feel like u have enough experience or knowledge on it, try it out, get a glucose monitor, and know how many carbs to take in after the shot.

muscle

wannabehuge · « **Reply #2 on:** November 02, 2005, 09:55:52 PM »

I like using it by itself mainly because its so cheap. You just have to eat real clean. I personaly think the gains are like GH sloooow and steady. (28 days on and 28 days off)

Beyond Genetics · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2005, 03:34:26 AM »

Yeah, I've taken it before but I was takin so much other shit that I couldn't tell what was doing what. I did grow pretty good though,,, maybe I'll give it another "stab."

youandme · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2005, 07:43:52 AM »

Yes it is cheap, and Ive used by itself and did see progress. Strength went up and pumps were good. But yes I think unless you use higher doses gains are slow and steady if you use higher doses thatforce yourself to use higher carbs then you will get bigger faster, you will fill out, but then you get adjusted to do that does and have to layoff, that is what happend with me, without AS

wannabehuge · « **Reply #5 on:** November 03, 2005, 07:08:20 PM »

Youandme how much were you taking?

youandme · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2005, 08:09:16 AM »

started off with 2 iu, worked up 1 iu per day, did not take after leg workouts though that is my best bodypart. Dont think 2 iu wont knock you down being a first timer either. I got up to 10iu, very very full feeling. You can feel your body adapt to it also, so you go off,Bill phillips suggested 3 weeks on 3 weeks off so Ive been doing that. And it will past your through your breaking points, be careful, and have some sugar on hand, but wen you get started using it you will require less and that is when you will start getting cut while on it.

Beyond Genetics · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2005, 08:28:32 AM »

Quote from: youandme on November 04, 2005, 08:09:16 AM

started off with 2 iu, worked up 1 iu per day, did not take after leg workouts though that is my best bodypart. Dont think 2 iu wont knock you down being a first timer either. I got up to 10iu, very very full feeling. You can feel your body adapt to it also, so you go off,Bill phillips suggested 3 weeks on 3 weeks off so Ive been doing that. And it will past your through your breaking points, be careful, and have some sugar on hand, but wen you get started using it you will require less and that is when you will start getting cut while on it.

I took 10-15 iu,, I will try again,,, i think it was working...

freakfestMD · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2005, 11:50:57 AM »

Sorry guys, but I just don't see the need to take insulin. Just my opinion. You are playing Russian roulette with this one. Besides the obvious risk of inducing a hypoglycemic coma and possibly death, do we know anything about what happens to the system after we come off? Is there a "PCT" plan for insulin, if you will?

youandme · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2005, 03:43:10 PM »

Quote from: Beyond Genetics on November 04, 2005, 08:28:32 AM

I took 10-15 iu,, I will try again,,, i think it was working...

You took that on your first time? Damn bro back off get back down to lower doese keep the BF down also, you need to build your way up and see what dose is right, so you get the most effects burning fat,building muscle and increase in veins

Negative05 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2005, 12:20:37 PM »

Someone post a sample 3 or 4 week insulin plan

O · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2005, 08:47:27 PM »

Quote from: MUVIRSE on November 04, 2005, 12:51:04 PM

Why in the f**k would you have a PCT plan for insulin? That doesnt make any sense what so ever. What are you going to do restimulate your pancreas? You shouldnt be taking enough insulin to shut your pancreas down, thats not going to happen anyways.

Insulin is safe and effective to use, just dont be retarded and take a whole boat load of it when you havent eaten anything or before your workout.

Insulin is NOT safe, especially for an ill-researched user.

O · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2005, 08:49:19 PM »

Quote from: youandme on November 04, 2005, 03:43:10 PM

You took that on your first time? Damn bro back off get back down to lower doese keep the BF down also, you need to build your way up and see what dose is right, so you get the most effects burning fat,building muscle and increase in veins

An increase in veins??

Come on folks, insulin has nothing to do with increased vascularity. It may fill you out and give you a good pump, but it will not increase "veins." Jesus.

O · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2005, 09:00:33 PM »

Quote from: Negative05 on November 05, 2005, 12:20:37 PM

Someone post a sample 3 or 4 week insulin plan

Week one. W/O, 2 ius Humalog, 40 grams protein, 50 grams simple carbs. (Apple juice works great)

25 min later, one cup white rice, 10 ounces white fish or two chicken breasts.

one hour after meal: 8 egg whites and one serving oatmeal.

Week two. W/O, 4 ius Humalog, 60 grams protein, 60 grams simple carbs. (Apple juice)

25 min later, 1 1/2 cup rice, 12 ounces fish or two breasts of chicken.

one hour after meal: 8 egg whites and one serving oatmeal.

Week three. W/O, 6 ius Humalog, 60 grams protein, 80 grams carbs(apple juice.)

25 min later, 2 cups rice, and fish or chicken.

one hour after meal: 8 egg whites and one serving oatmeal.

Note: do not ANY sources of fat within four hours of taking the slin, or it will get shuttled like a rocket along with the protein......having a real soda (not diet) is also recommended with the first meal after the shake.....

There is an exact calculation for the carbs/slin ratio however some of you still think slin will increase your "veins" so I will only confuse you upon request......

youandme · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2005, 09:03:09 PM »

Quote from: O on November 06, 2005, 08:49:19 PM

An increase in veins??

Come on folks, insulin has nothing to do with increased vascularity. It may fill you out and give you a good pump, but it will not increase "veins." Jesus.

Oh sorry vascularity, not like I said it created new veins, other than the ones bulging out your ass

O · « **Reply #15 on:** November 06, 2005, 11:41:27 PM »

Quote from: youandme on November 06, 2005, 09:03:09 PM

Oh sorry vascularity, not like I said it created new veins, other than the ones bulging out your ass

The right words sometimes mean all the difference...

Either way, you are still wrong.
Insulin will NOT increase vascularity.

Contribute with some sort of help or your posts will began to dissapear. If you wish to challenge your knowledge against mine then proceed. Obviously you think you know more than I do.

youandme · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2005, 08:31:06 AM »

Have you taken insulin before? I don't think so, it does increase vascularity, for me at least when on a strict diet.
And yes judging by your sample outline, thatis great for a newb to do but for someone with more muscle or at least wanting to use slin ina way that will help their body look better, that is way to many carbs for 2 ius, if he is more advnaced it would better suite him to take the slin wait 15 mins or till he feels it hit then get then get the high gi carbs in, then wait another 10 mins for protein. But damn if you can get all that food in after slin that is great, sometimes it will either make your appetitie go away or make it switch into high gear

freeagain · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2005, 09:54:34 AM »

why you guys even think about f'uckin with somethin like slin is beyond me.

its not like roids where any health problems take years to manifest...... this shit can kill your ass dead with one pin.

best leave it to the pros who have a callous disregard for their own safety.

O · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2005, 10:02:17 AM »

Quote from: youandme on November 07, 2005, 08:31:06 AM

Have you taken insulin before? I don't think so, it does increase vascularity, for me at least when on a strict diet.
And yes judging by your sample outline, thatis great for a newb to do but for someone with more muscle or at least wanting to use slin ina way that will help their body look better, that is way to many carbs for 2 ius, if he is more advnaced it would better suite him to take the slin wait 15 mins or till he feels it hit then get then get the high gi carbs in, then wait another 10 mins for protein. But damn if you can get all that food in after slin that is great, sometimes it will either make your appetitie go away or make it switch into high gear

I have taken slin on several occasions and that is why I recommended a first time user to take his carbs and meals immediately after pinning. If you have ever taken slin then you know it can hit you like a freight train and you can go hypo really quick. First time users dont know their body that well, so they won't feel the initial onset, and it will be too late by the time they figure it out.....

A friend of mine died in the locker room at the gym after 10 ius, because he failed to get his complex carbs in before the hypo set in. I respect the insulin vial more than any other.

You and me, you're killing me bro. Ok, Slin may cause your body to absorb carbs and fill you out, giving your veins a healthy appearance......but only gear can actually increase vascularity. It was probably your strict diet which dropped body fat and water allowing your veins to become more prominent.

Increased vasularity is the result of androgenic compounds which increase red blood cell count. The increase in blood volume causes vascular hypertrophy which makes veins look "bigger." The average gear user often has three times the amount of blood a normal person has......This causes the increased vascularity.......Period .

youandme · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2005, 11:34:26 AM »

Oh well that was what I was hitting at, bro, I use insulin only when I'm cutting(sorry been typing and reading fast) I use it while using clen which yes is dangerous.
Damn he took 10 iu and died. Was he dieting or something? I know when I'm restricting my carbs it hits me very hard, but when I have had more carbs during the day the onset is slow, I've heard people hitting the floor after 2 units before though, shows just how different people react to things.
Damn that story reminds me of when a bro was getting ready for a contest did slin pre workout and went hypo, you could just see him slowly dropping and he even tried to refuse us to give him simple carbs( he to was only going to go for complex) finally got some oj in him, he could not even tell us his phone number
The price of muscle

Beyond Genetics · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2005, 06:26:17 PM »

Quote from: youandme on November 07, 2005, 11:34:26 AM

Oh well that was what I was hitting at, bro, I use insulin only when I'm cutting(sorry been typing and reading fast) I use it while using clen which yes is dangerous.
Damn he took 10 iu and died. Was he dieting or something? I know when I'm restricting my carbs it hits me very hard, but when I have had more carbs during the day the onset is slow, I've heard people hitting the floor after 2 units before though, shows just how different people react to things.
Damn that story reminds me of when a bro was getting ready for a contest did slin pre workout and went hypo, you could just see him slowly dropping and he even tried to refuse us to give him simple carbs( he to was only going to go for complex) finally got some oj in him, he could not even tell us his phone number
The price of muscle

dead from 10iu, shit I've taken 20iu several times... Did the guy weigh 100lbs or something...

youandme · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2005, 06:37:10 PM »

20 ius several times as in a day?
Yeah I once took in 20iu once to before a contest but that was just on one occasion.

Beyond Genetics · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2005, 06:51:33 PM »

Quote from: youandme on November 07, 2005, 06:37:10 PM

20 ius several times as in a day?
Yeah I once took in 20iu once to before a contest but that was just on one occasion.

no, probably more like 15 in the morn, 20 around lunch and 10 in the afternoon...

youandme · « **Reply #23 on:** November 07, 2005, 07:41:27 PM »

What is your diet like bro?

Beyond Genetics · « **Reply #24 on:** November 08, 2005, 05:01:16 AM »

Quote from: youandme on November 07, 2005, 07:41:27 PM

What is your diet like bro?

Well, I pretty much would eat as many carbs as possible,,, 1,000 cal Protein shake (CytoGainer or NLarge) followed up with a bowl of ice-cream... mmmmmm offseason...