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« Reply #200 on: October 31, 2013, 11:15:08 AM »

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« Reply #201 on: October 31, 2013, 11:55:01 AM »

i'm not saying that this article seals the fate of Obamacare in my head but I find it disturbing that the people who voted for Obama are going to simply dismiss stuff like this as bullshit just to save some semblance of pride in the fact that they voted for gay marriage and abortion, NOT Obama or Obamacare.
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« Reply #202 on: October 31, 2013, 11:59:14 AM »

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/01/the-new-federal-wedding-tax-how-obamacare-would-dramatically-penalize-marriage#.UnKoPOtLzAE.facebook


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« Reply #203 on: October 31, 2013, 12:21:21 PM »


I can garrantee that not 1 single doctor will quit....not one.  Being a doctor is way too lucrative and I would seriously doubt someone would throw away all those years of work to get that sheepskin

They already are quitting.  I work with them and more than a few are making plans to get out for sure and a number have actually transitioned into research rather than clinical care.  I am not speaking in hyperbole here, I work with MD's and MDPHD's and A LOT are giving up because they see where it is going.  Specialists will be limited and all primary care will be clinic based.  No more private practice.  It cannot exist with the rules of obummercare.  I don't give a shit about lib vs conservative I only know that this criminal law will destroy quality healthcare in this country.  For sure 100%. 
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« Reply #204 on: October 31, 2013, 03:56:14 PM »

  June 15, 2011 at 8:30 am  Aaron Carroll
This is an ongoing series on health care system ďmemesĒ that continue to permeate our debate, even when evidence shows them to be false. The introductory post contains links to all entries.

This meme appeared recently as part of Governor Romneyís health care plan. Itís a common one, brought out often to argue that deregulation is the answer to lowering health care costs.

But letís think this through.

The reason that insurance canít be sold across state lines right now is that states have the right to regulate their own insurance markets. Yes, states Ė not the feds Ė get to set their own rules when it comes to the individual insurance market.

Since states differ in terms of local politics, and local needs, they set different rules for insurance. Some states want to have an insurance market where you canít be denied insurance for any reason, and you canít be charged more for being sick. Other states want to limit the difference you can be charged for being older or sicker if you want a policy.

I say ďwantĒ because we still live in a democracy, where people vote for what they think they need. These states have these policies because they were enacted by local governments elected by their residents. So, unless you no longer believe in state government, this is how it goes.

Right now, thereís nothing stopping an insurance company from selling policies in every state in the nation. They just have to create policies within each state that comply with local laws. Many insurance companies do this, finding a way to be profitable in each market.

This is the first problem with the ďsell insurance across state linesĒ argument. If you support this, youíre effectively telling states that they cannot make their own decisions. They canít set any standards for themselves locally. They have to abide by the decisions of other states when it comes to insurance.

Because, make no mistake about it, if you remove the state regulatory boundaries, all the insurance companies will set up shop in the state with the fewest regulations and start to sell insurance nationally. This is exactly what happened with the credit card industry.

Perhaps this doesnít bother you. Perhaps youíre fine with this because you believe that it will lower costs, and that is paramount. So letís deal with that side of the issue.

There is no doubt that when you set community ratings and guaranteed issue that the cheapest policy will be much more expensive than the cheapest policy in a state without those regulations. Let me explain. If I created an insurance company in a state without any regulations, then I could choose to cover only completely healthy young males. I could be assured none would get pregnant. None would need pelvic exams, or mammograms, or Pap smears. I could refuse to cover anyone who had ever been ill, or who had ever had a family member who had been ill.

As you can imagine, it would be really cheap to care for this population, and so the insurance Iíd sell would be really, really inexpensive. Everyone else, however, would be out of luck. And anyone who tried to insure that population would find a skewed risk pool, making the average policy created for it really expensive.

Now, if Iím a healthy, young male in a regulated state it might be attractive to me to buy a policy from that unregulated state. But if I were a female with diabetes, Iíd be totally screwed. Moreover, as all the healthy people snapped up cheap policies, the remaining people would form an uninsurable risk pool.

About 20% of the population is responsible for about 80% of health care spending. Would they be any less ill? Would their medicines cost less? Would their procedures? What exactly about health care would be cheaper in this alternate reality?

No one would want to insure them.

What we would have is a world where it would be likely cheaper for those who donít need health care to get insurance. For everyone else, especially those who need care, insurance would be more expensive, and care harder to obtain.

Thereís no example of this working out well, anywhere in the world. Itís rhetoric that sounds good, but would lead to terrible outcomes.

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« Reply #205 on: October 31, 2013, 05:01:41 PM »

They already are quitting.  I work with them and more than a few are making plans to get out for sure and a number have actually transitioned into research rather than clinical care.  I am not speaking in hyperbole here, I work with MD's and MDPHD's and A LOT are giving up because they see where it is going.  Specialists will be limited and all primary care will be clinic based.  No more private practice.  It cannot exist with the rules of obummercare.  I don't give a shit about lib vs conservative I only know that this criminal law will destroy quality healthcare in this country.  For sure 100%. 


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« Reply #206 on: October 31, 2013, 06:56:49 PM »


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« Reply #207 on: November 01, 2013, 08:55:29 AM »

Typical of a communist mentality

Exactly.  We should be grateful for whatever crumbs our good leader bestows upon us with his divine powers.  It's only fair after all because so many rich people have so much and the poor deserve that money.  What do the rich NEED so much money for?  Fuck me we are in trouble in this country when people have really drunk the koolaid and go back for another glass.  SoulCrusher keep up the good work.  I am a newb I know and I get attacked by twink asspounders who somehow only value what someone says if they have 900,000 posts, but it is mainly because they know they are on a sinking ship and refuse to ask for help to save themselves.  On the contrary, they want to take us all with them.
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« Reply #208 on: November 11, 2013, 07:11:55 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/09/real-cost-obamacare-loss-good-doctors


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« Reply #209 on: November 17, 2013, 04:12:54 PM »

Typical of a communist mentality

and typical of someone like you who roots against our country just because he doesn't like the president and wants to see him fail, meanwhile going on and on about what a patriot he is
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« Reply #210 on: November 17, 2013, 06:09:40 PM »

and typical of someone like you who roots against our country just because he doesn't like the president and wants to see him fail, meanwhile going on and on about what a patriot he is

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« Reply #211 on: November 17, 2013, 06:13:55 PM »

Thousands were just dropped on United Health due to 95er CARE


Thats great right?

The less lazy, commie, lesbian and guilt-ridden whites who has health insurance the better right?
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« Reply #212 on: November 17, 2013, 06:14:40 PM »


Thats great right?

The less lazy, commie, lesbian and guilt-ridden whites who has health insurance the better right?

Eat it commie 

http://news.yahoo.com/unitedhealth-drops-thousands-doctors-insurance-plans-wsj-030014903--finance.html

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« Reply #213 on: November 23, 2013, 02:13:42 PM »


Thats great right?

The less lazy, commie, lesbian and guilt-ridden whites who has health insurance the better right?

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« Reply #214 on: November 25, 2013, 06:27:00 AM »

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/top-4-u-s-hospital-laying-off-staff-due-to-obamacare


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« Reply #215 on: November 25, 2013, 09:58:04 AM »


Fox News host Greta Van Susteren admitted that the network may have taken the Cleveland Clinic medical center's decision to cut jobs out of context after Fox repeatedly hyped the story to demonize the Affordable Care Act.

Reuters reported on September 18 that the Cleveland Clinic medical center announced plans to reduce its staff and budget in order to prepare for the implementation of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare. Fox News repeatedly hyped the news as evidence that the ACA destroys jobs.

However, even the Cleveland Clinic itself didn't buy into Fox's narrative. The Atlantic reached out to the Cleveland Clinic and found that Eileen Sheil, the clinic's Executive Director of Corporate Communications, "seemed a bit confused by the emphasis on Obamacare" in the media coverage of the center's actions. Sheil told the publication, "We've been working on reducing costs for years ... We felt health-care reform was absolutely necessary." The Atlantic explained (emphasis added):


Actually, much of what the Cleveland Clinic system is doing follows the recommendations of health-care analysts closely. For example, it has consolidated closely located neonatal intensive care units, because high volumes tend to lead to better results. It's working to reduce the number of procedures its staff performs, since in the current system "physicians are rewarded to do more, not to do the right thing for the patient," as Sheil put it. And there's a new focus on chronic diseases, which are an increasingly important and costly area for treatment.

Think of it this way: These are all steps that the Cleveland Clinic was likely to take, but Obamacare implementation is acting as a catalyst, spurring the clinic to adopt them now rather than on a slower timeline.


Yet Fox's flawed reporting made its way to at least one member of Congress. On the September 24 edition of Fox News' On The Record, U.S. Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) told Van Susteren of the ACA, "The Cleveland Clinic announced this week they are laying off many employees. They're cutting $300 million of expenses because of the implementation -- because of the health care law."

Van Susteren then admitted to the network's misleading reporting on the clinic, telling the senator, "I don't know if Toby Cosgrove, who's the CEO, whether he's backpedaling or not, but I talked to him a couple hours later and he sort of thought that we were taking a little bit out of context what he meant."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/25/foxs-shoddy-reporting-on-cleveland-clinic-and-o/196066
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« Reply #216 on: November 25, 2013, 10:00:34 AM »


lol


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/09/obamacare-isnt-really-taking-away-jobs-cleveland-clinic-edition/279834/
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« Reply #217 on: November 25, 2013, 10:03:06 AM »

Media Matters?  LMFAO -  this skell just ruined your profession and this is the best you can do?  

T Y P I C A L   obamabot socialist serf mentality

Here you go - a little more I Told You So to the idiots who voted for O-TWINK

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/aurora-health-care-obamacare_n_2559120.html

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« Reply #218 on: November 25, 2013, 10:13:57 AM »

Media Matters?  LMFAO -  this skell just ruined your profession and this is the best you can do?  

T Y P I C A L   obamabot socialist serf mentality

Here you go - a little more I Told You So to the idiots who voted for O-TWINK

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/26/aurora-health-care-obamacare_n_2559120.html



im not defending anything...Something just didnt look right about that report. Cuts and budgets take years to be implimented.

Its kind of like that "letter" you got from Atlantis

now you can admit that this one particular story was wrong....or i can devote my day off to destroying your bullshit...ive been off the boards for a bit..

So again... if you want me to let it go...just say "yeah they misrepresented this one.." if not..ill go Retro-Mal on your ass and demolish you...
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« Reply #219 on: November 25, 2013, 10:18:21 AM »

im not defending anything...Something just didnt look right about that report. Cuts and budgets take years to be implimented.

Its kind of like that "letter" you got from Atlantis

now you can admit that this one particular story was wrong....or i can devote my day off to destroying your bullshit...ive been off the boards for a bit..

So again... if you want me to let it go...just say "yeah they misrepresented this one.." if not..ill go Retro-Mal on your ass and demolish you...

If 30 million NEW people are going to be insured - tell me how does revenue go down by so much if ObamaCare is good for doctors?   hhhmmm???


Guess what - its going to be a DISASTER for doctors since most of the new people are medicade and you wont be paid jack shit - congrats - YOU VOTED FOR THIS!!!!
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« Reply #220 on: November 25, 2013, 10:24:11 AM »

If 30 million NEW people are going to be insured - tell me how does revenue go down by so much if ObamaCare is good for doctors?   hhhmmm???


Guess what - its going to be a DISASTER for doctors since most of the new people are medicade and you wont be paid jack shit - congrats - YOU VOTED FOR THIS!!!!
OK...This story about The Cleveland Clinic, would you admit that it was inaccurate? This single story...Quit dancing
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« Reply #221 on: November 25, 2013, 10:26:50 AM »

OK...This story about The Cleveland Clinic, would you admit that it was inaccurate? This single story...Quit dancing

The clinic is anticipating drastically lower revenue why again? 

ObamaCare!  you think living in the fascist state we are in that they are going to directly name Obamacare as the culprit?  LOL. 


Yeah - revenues going down so that they have to cut staff  - yup obamacare zero to do with it.   LMFAO.   I guess the Bush years weren't so bad after all. 

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« Reply #222 on: November 25, 2013, 10:28:59 AM »

The clinic is anticipating drastically lower revenue why again? 

ObamaCare!  you think living in the fascist state we are in that they are going to directly name Obamacare as the culprit?  LOL. 


Yeah - revenues going down so that they have to cut staff  - yup obamacare zero to do with it.   LMFAO.   I guess the Bush years weren't so bad after all. 

Hope and Change -YOU VOTED FOR THIS

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« Reply #223 on: November 25, 2013, 10:33:24 AM »

Dance puppet...dance

LOL - I love it when people like yourself who shed tears of joy in 2008 ver Obama still are in denial over the disaster this communist ghetto pos has been, even to the point he is destroying your profession. 

Like I said - you would follow him into bondage if he asked you to. 

If there are supposedly 30 million new patients and customers due to ChoomerCare, why would the clinic be forced to cut staff and take 300 million out of its budget in anticipation of drastically lower revenue?


Its a simple question Obamabot. 
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« Reply #224 on: November 25, 2013, 10:54:43 AM »

LOL - I love it when people like yourself who shed tears of joy in 2008 ver Obama still are in denial over the disaster this communist ghetto pos has been, even to the point he is destroying your profession. 

Like I said - you would follow him into bondage if he asked you to. 

If there are supposedly 30 million new patients and customers due to ChoomerCare, why would the clinic be forced to cut staff and take 300 million out of its budget in anticipation of drastically lower revenue?


Its a simple question Obamabot. 

you havent answered my question....i did 20 seconds of digging and found that your post was a lie....so now you jusr wont address it and youll use foolishness and dance around.
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