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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2012, 02:59:38 PM »
Selective enforcement is one thing - what obama is doing is creating a new class of immigrants specifically rejected by the congress. 

we've been over this

Obama was well within the powers of his office

If not, why has no congress person (it only takes one) started the impeachment process?

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2012, 03:01:45 PM »
we've been over this

Obama was well within the powers of his office

If not, why has no congress person (it only takes one) started the impeachment process?

Because its too close to election and Reid and Senate demos will never letter it go anywhere. 

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2012, 03:17:01 PM »
Because its too close to election and Reid and Senate demos will never letter it go anywhere. 

so what

why would that stop the House from doing something

All it takes is one angry tea bagger to get it started

Could it be that even the dumbest teabagger congressperson knows the action Obama took was totally within his authority?

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2012, 03:25:37 PM »
so what

why would that stop the House from doing something

All it takes is one angry tea bagger to get it started

Could it be that even the dumbest teabagger congressperson knows the action Obama took was totally within his authority?

Senator Kyl yesterday floated around impeachment unless Obama is reigned in for his lawless tyranny that you progressives applaud. 

Like I contend, you so called progressives desire a king and dictator who can by pass any election results, any rejection of your radical marxist ideas by elected representatives, or losses in the judicial system. 

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2012, 04:11:55 PM »
Senator Kyl yesterday floated around impeachment unless Obama is reigned in for his lawless tyranny that you progressives applaud. 

Like I contend, you so called progressives desire a king and dictator who can by pass any election results, any rejection of your radical marxist ideas by elected representatives, or losses in the judicial system. 

I thought impeachment had to start in the House

Didn't Kucinich introduce articles on impeachment Bush and I think Cheney too and he did it knowing full wel that Pelosi wasn't going to  let it go anywhere

What's stopping any Republican Congressperson from doing the same thing.....unless of course they know they have no grounds to do so

Didn't Issa say the WH did nothing wrong regarding Solyndra a few weeks ago and and just last week that there is no evidence of wrongdoing by the administration in the Fast and Furious witch hunt

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2012, 05:16:22 PM »
I'm thinking 6-3 down w the mandate

5-4 upholding the rest. 



My call is 6-3, mandate goes down; 5-4 the whole thing goes.

Without the mandate, there's no funding; thus it falls to pieces, anyway.


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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
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Why the Whole Health Care Law Is in Jeopardy

By Sean Trende - June 27, 2012

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The real Supreme Court news on Tuesday wasn't the Arizona immigration decision or even the summary reversal of the Supreme Court of Montana in the "Citizens United 2" case. It was that the chief justice of the United States didn't write any of these opinions.

This is critically important, because we can now deduce with a reasonably high degree of certainty that John Roberts is writing the lead health care opinion. If we are right about this, then the law is in even deeper trouble that most observers imagined.

Let’s start from the beginning. The Supreme Court tries to spread its opinions equally among the justices, both for the term and for its monthly sittings. There are three opinions left and, fittingly, three justices who have authored fewer than seven opinions: Roberts, Sonia Sotomayor and Clarence Thomas.

Roberts is the likely author of the health care decision for three reasons. First, Thomas is the only justice without an opinion from the December sitting, so he is probably authoring the First American opinion still outstanding from that sitting (and it unlikely that a staunch originalist like Thomas could hold together a majority on an issue like the health care law).

Second, it is unlikely that an opinion of this magnitude would trickle down to a junior justice like Sotomayor. The Alvarez opinion from February seems more appropriate for her.

Third, Roberts hasn’t authored an opinion from the March or April sittings. He’s the only justice of whom that can be said. This, more than anything, makes him the likely author of the only opinion outstanding from either sitting, the health care law.

If we’re right about this, then it’s a real problem for the Affordable Care Act. Justice Anthony Kennedy gave slight indications during oral arguments that he at least sympathized with the government’s position; Roberts did not.

Some have suggested that the chief justice would vote strategically. The idea is this: He is the last justice to cast his vote during conference. If there were four votes to strike down the law, then he would provide the fifth to do the same. But if five votes had been cast for the law, Roberts would then cast a sixth vote in favor.

This would allow him to write the opinion either way, and to control how broad the opinion emerging from the court was. This is what Chief Justice William Rehnquist was suspected of doing in 1999 in United States v. Dickerson. He had been an ardent foe of Miranda, and most thought that he was a sure vote to overrule it when given a chance. But he surprised people by announcing a 7-2 decision upholding Miranda.

But there is a problem with this analogy. The task of assigning the author of an opinion falls to the most senior justice in the majority. Had Rehnquist dissented in Dickerson, the most senior justice in the majority would have been John Paul Stevens. Rehnquist had reason to fear that Stevens would assign the opinion to himself. Because Stevens was the most liberal member of that court, and given some of the nuances of Dickerson, Stevens could have gutted decades of decisions chipping away at Miranda if he had written a broad enough opinion. The chief justice’s incentives to write the opinion at all costs were fairly high.

Absent Roberts, the most senior justice in a majority to uphold the law -- who would presumably assign himself the opinion -- would be Kennedy. But Kennedy is actually fairly conservative on federalism issues. He joined the opinion of the court in United States v. Lopez and United States v. Morrison, two critical Commerce Clause cases. Even if he wanted to uphold the health care law in its entirety, it’s unlikely he would write an opinion that would set the stage for overruling those other decisions. In other words, Roberts doesn’t have the same incentive that Rehnquist might have had to vote strategically. (In fairness, we should also bear in mind that Rehnquist might have voted sincerely in Dickerson.)

So, do I see any chance at all that the law will be upheld? Yes, and here’s why: First, oral arguments are not dispositive, and I think conservatives have been irrationally exuberant over the tone of those arguments. The Arizona immigration decision and the juvenile life-without-parole cases looked to be in real trouble post-argument, and yet both turned out fairly well for liberals.

Indeed, even votes cast at conference aren’t dispositive. Most famously, Kennedy is reported to have changed his vote in Planned Parenthood v. Casey very late in the opinion-writing process. Regardless, we can’t really write off the possibility that the chief justice simply believes the law is constitutional -- the question does, after all, split conservative legal scholars.

Second, Justice Scalia’s dissent in the immigration case caught my attention. In 2000, a co-worker of mine who had clerked for Scalia pointed to this gratuitous concurrence in NFTC v. Crosby as a sign of future losses for conservatives. Sure enough, bad losses followed in the partial-birth abortion decision and a major school prayer case.

Since then, I have noticed that Scalia’s opinions do, in fact, become more caustic when things aren’t going well for conservatives. So it seems noteworthy that his scathing dissent in Arizona v. United States dwelled at length on the erosion of state sovereignty, which is really at the core of the conservative argument against the individual mandate. Is this a sign of his frustration with the way things are going on the health care law?

If this seems like thin gruel to you, I concur. I wouldn’t give more than a 15 to 20 percent chance of the Affordable Care Act being upheld. And even that slim chance really is more a nod to the fact that we don’t know what is going on in the justices’ heads, so even when all the evidence points one direction, we have to leave some room for the opposite outcome.

I won't dwell on the arguments for and against striking down the individual mandate, which have been beaten to death by this point.  But I do wish to emphasize that there’s also a substantial chance that the court will strike down the entire law, contrary to what almost all news outlets have reported recently. This issue turns around the arcane question of severability, and there’s a reason CNN Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin called the arguments on this issue a “plane crash” for the government (as opposed to a mere “train wreck” after the arguments on the mandate).

Basically, laws typically include a severability clause specifying that if any portion of the law is struck down as unconstitutional, the remainder should survive. But Congress didn’t include a severability clause in the health care law.

The good news for liberals is that the court typically maintains a presumption in favor of severability. In other words, even if there isn’t an explicit severability clause, it will nevertheless sever the unconstitutional portion if it feels it can do so without affecting the rest of the law. This makes eminent sense; if it finds an abortion rider to the HHS appropriations bill unconstitutional, there’s no reason to say that Congress can’t spend money on, say, Head Start, since Congress pretty clearly wouldn’t have intended for the two issues to either rise or fall together.

But the health care law is a much closer call. During the run-up to enactment, it was depicted as a series of interlocking parts: Guaranteed issue meant that anyone was eligible to purchase insurance, making universal coverage possible. The individual mandate meant that the so-called “death spiral,” where people wait until they are sick to purchase insurance due to guaranteed issue, thus driving up costs, would not occur. The subsidies enabled people to comply with the mandate. The exchanges allowed market forces to control costs after all of these regulations were implemented.

It isn’t at all clear how well these other pieces work without the individual mandate, nor is it obvious how the justices are supposed to decide what stays and what goes. There are congressional findings, for example, suggesting that the mandate is essential for the proper functioning of the exchanges, but there are also reasons to believe that the exchanges could still function well -- albeit not perfectly -- without the mandate. There are also items such as the Black Lung Benefits Act, which plainly could operate without the mandate. So once the court starts down the road of striking down things other than the mandate, it really has to go through a 2,700-page bill and make hundreds of judgment calls as to what stays and what goes. .

I think there are two main reasons that the court might choose not to infer severability and either throw out the entire law, or throw out Title I (and possibly Title II), effectively gutting the bill. First, the government let the proverbial camel’s nose under the tent: It conceded that if the court threw out the mandate, then a few other provisions, such as guaranteed issue and community rating, would have to go as well. 

The problem is, once you’ve conceded that the court has to go down this road in some cases, the justices have a much harder time drawing a principled line in the sand as to where they should stop.

Second, and relatedly, having read the transcripts, I don’t see much evidence suggesting that the five justices believed they could decide which pieces to throw out and which to keep. Consider the following colloquy:

JUSTICE ALITO: Well, if that is true, what is the difference between guaranteed-issue and community-rating provisions on the one hand and other provisions that increase costs substantially for insurance companies?

DEPUTY SOLICTOR GENERAL EDWIN KNEEDLER: Congress did not think of those things as balancing insurance companies. Insurance companies are participants in the market for Medicaid and -- and other things.

JUSTICE KENNEDY: But you are saying we have the expertise to make the inquiry you want us to make, i.e., the guaranteed-issue, but not the expertise that Justice Alito’s question suggests we must make.

MR. KNEEDLER: Well --

JUSTICE KENNEDY: I just don’t understand your position.

And so it went. The questions directed at Paul Clement (representing the plaintiffs in the case) didn’t push him at all on the substance, they simply pressed him on exactly what test the court should apply. Again, we can’t know when the justices were playing devil’s advocate, and when they were expressing their “true” views. But the evidence that they won’t sever the law is substantially greater than the evidence that they would uphold the entire thing.

Two arguments are typically presented in response. First, that Chief Justice Roberts is concerned about the court’s credibility. I do think that is the case, but I also think he can read a poll as well as anyone else, and the polling suggests that the American people are at the very least comfortable with the idea of striking down the law in its entirety. While the legal academy might be up in arms, the American people wouldn’t view striking down the law as another Bush v. Gore.

The second argument is that Justice Kennedy wouldn’t want to go down this road. This badly misreads him. Kennedy was typically lumped in with Justice Sandra Day O’Connor as a moderate. Kennedy is a centrist, but in the sense that libertarians come out as centrists on typical political ideology tests. Kennedy is not squishy -- he is heterodox, and he isn’t afraid to author broad opinions taking strong stands. If he thinks the whole law has to go, he’ll vote to knock out the entire law.

At the end of the day, this really is like Kremlinology -- trying to deduce the inner workings of a hermetically sealed institution. There’s substantial uncertainty here. I do think the most likely course of action for the court is striking down the mandate and related insurance provisions, simply because of the tendency to presume severability and the closeness of the question. But it is a close question. 

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Sean Trende is Senior Elections Analyst for RealClearPolitics. He can be reached at strende@realclearpolitics.com.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2012, 07:19:54 PM »
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My Prediction on Tomorrow’s Obamacare Ruling
National Review ^ | 06/27/2012 | Ed Whelan
Posted on June 27, 2012 9:41:39 PM EDT by SeekAndFind

I’ve abstained up until now from making any predictions on how the Obamacare cases will be decided. But I’m now ready to offer my own reading of the tea leaves. Specifically, the fact that Justice Scalia read his dissent from the bench in the Arizona immigration case leads me to believe that the Court will invalidate the individual mandate by a 5-4 vote.

Let me explain the logical links (and expose their potential weaknesses):

1. As I understood it when I was a law clerk for Justice Scalia twenty years ago, there was an etiquette at the Court that any single justice would read a dissent from the bench no more than once each term. I gather that that etiquette is no longer uniformly acknowledged or accepted—Justice Ginsburg, I believe, has read two or more dissents in some terms. But I believe that the public record would show that Scalia has continued to abide by it.

Maybe I’m wrong on this (in which case the premise of this post collapses). I’m not aware of any reliable record of cases in which justices have read their dissents from the bench, so perhaps Scalia hasn’t continue to abide by the standard. Or, even if he hasn’t departed from it before, perhaps that’s just happenstance.

2. It seems very likely that the Chief Justice is the author of the lead opinion in the Obamacare cases. Among other things, he is the only justice not to have issued a majority opinion from the March and April sittings. Also, he has written only six majority opinions so far this term, when nearly everyone else is at seven or eight. (Justice Thomas has written only six opinions, but he presumably was assigned the remaining ruling from the November. Justice Sotomayor is also at six, but she appears to have lost the majority in one of the October cases.)

3. If the Chief Justice were authoring an opinion upholding the individual mandate and if Scalia were dissenting from that holding, Scalia, as the senior justice in dissent, would have the prerogative to assign himself the lead dissent. I don’t see why he would pass over that option. Further, given what seem to be the relative magnitudes of the Obamacare and Arizona immigration cases, I think it highly likely that Scalia would preserve the Obamacare dissent for the one he would read from the bench. Indeed, the fact that his dissent in the Arizona case was a solo dissent (neither Thomas nor Alito joined it) makes it even less likely as a choice. Therefore, from his reading his dissent in the Arizona case, I infer (tentatively, to be sure) that Scalia is not in dissent in the Obamacare cases.

(Obviously, if Scalia is voting to uphold the individual mandate, my analysis collapses.)

[Update: Oops. It turns out that I’m demonstrably wrong on Scalia’s practice on reading dissents, as he had already read his dissent from the bench in March in a pair of linked cases. Maybe that bolsters my bottom-line prediction by making it even less likely that he would read a dissent for a third time in a single term, but it certainly upsets my line of reasoning.]

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2012, 07:31:13 PM »
I won't engage in predictions on the outcome; we will know soon enough. With that said, I think that if the Supremes strike down the mandate it will be because S.G. Verrilli failed to clearly articulate how the mandate can be upheld without giving Congress what would, essentially, amount to a blank check to impose other mandates (i.e. the famous broccoli argument).

Let's get our opinion-reading glasses on folks! ;D

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2012, 07:41:40 PM »
I won't engage in predictions on the outcome; we will know soon enough. With that said, I think that if the Supremes strike down the mandate it will be because S.G. Verrilli failed to clearly articulate how the mandate can be upheld without giving Congress what would, essentially, amount to a blank check to impose other mandates (i.e. the famous broccoli argument).

Let's get our opinion-reading glasses on folks! ;D

the problem is that there is not one single case cited by TJE govt endorsing TJE idea that the F'ed govt can compel commerce in order to regulate it.   

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2012, 07:43:14 PM »
I won't engage in predictions on the outcome; we will know soon enough. With that said, I think that if the Supremes strike down the mandate it will be because S.G. Verrilli failed to clearly articulate how the mandate can be upheld without giving Congress what would, essentially, amount to a blank check to impose other mandates (i.e. the famous broccoli argument).

Let's get our opinion-reading glasses on folks! ;D
Im gonna go ahead and steal your stance for my own, as it makes a lot of sense to me.
Thank you for making my mind up for me.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2012, 07:47:33 PM »
I won't engage in predictions on the outcome; we will know soon enough. With that said, I think that if the Supremes strike down the mandate it will be because S.G. Verrilli failed to clearly articulate how the mandate can be upheld without giving Congress what would, essentially, amount to a blank check to impose other mandates (i.e. the famous broccoli argument).

Let's get our opinion-reading glasses on folks! ;D

True.   The implications even beyond broccoli are frightening.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2012, 07:57:58 PM »
The notion of a mandate vs a tax is very offensive to me.   not that I like taxes, I don't.   But taxes are legal wo question.   a mandate to. Purchase private goods and services wo limit is beyond words offensive to my thinking.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2012, 06:10:35 AM »


Henninger: The President That Time Forgot

ObamaCare was a legislative monolith, out of sync with an iPad world.
By DANIEL HENNINGER

Leaked national security secrets may be a dime a dozen now, but the Supreme Court still sits as the last major American institution that doesn't conduct its business out the back door. Which is to say none of the Supreme Court's nine justices called me to reveal their ObamaCare decision before its Thursday annunciation. What difference does that make? Anyone who had to wait for the Supreme Court to tell them what the Affordable Care Act represents is too far behind the curve to ever catch up. Alas, that includes Barack Obama, the president that time forgot.
 

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Whether ObamaCare was affirmed or overturned by the ladies and men in robes, nothing was going to change one unimpeachable fact: From day one, the Obama health-care legislation was swimming against the tides of history. It was a legislative monolith out of sync with an iPad world. In the era of the smartphone, ObamaCare was rotary-dial health reform.

The signs this was so were everywhere, but Barack Obama and the Pelosi-Reid edition of the Democratic Party blew past them. Years before it arrived at the Supreme Court's door, the Obama health-care law was unpopular with the American public. With occasional exceptions, its unfavorables have been above 50% for nearly three years. And why not? It runs counter to the daily experience of virtually everyone.

Electronics, foods, fashion, entertainment, apps, social media, appliances—pretty much anything that escapes the cold hands of a public agency is laid before us in a dazzling, unprecedented array of choices. Despite all the incoming, people learned to navigate the options. Virtually everyone has become adept at customizing a personal milieu that suits them. Given a reasonably growing economy, they'll be able to sustain these choices.

In this context, the Affordable Care Act gave new meaning to the word "outlier." Starting with the insurance mandate. Of course most people hated it. They're living in a world turning more anti-mandate by the minute, and the Democrats are ordering them all into a national health-insurance pool.

Back in 2010, some Democrats talked like it was 1937 all over again. They intoned how for 70 years they've wanted to enact a big national health-care law. The Depression—those were the glory days. Or they said ObamaCare's coverage-for-all would close the policy loop left open 45 years ago with Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for the poor. So naturally one pillar of the Obama health-care law was to push more people into Medicaid's already faceless, frightening maw.

This is a Democratic Party whose political survival now is yoked to monolithic public-employee unions that themselves haven't allowed a new idea in 40 years. The teachers unions persist in an irrational, immoral refusal to try other ways of teaching inner-city kids.

Public-employee unions in California are letting towns and cities—the latest is Stockton—slide over the fiscal cliff. Since JFK, the Democrats have departed once from a political one-size-must-fit-all, and that was the Clinton welfare reform, which freed impoverished women to enter the private economy inhabited by everyone else. That was it. The Republicans, to their discredit, don't have an alternative to ObamaCare, but at least they're not still building more Titanics.

The Affordable Care Act is the exhibit du jour, but there is a disconnect nearly everywhere between governments and the reality of the way life is lived by the people they govern. Across Europe, the young are being drowned by something known as "the welfare state." It sounds more Orwellian than it did the first time. Other than the crude imperatives of survival amid a modernizing people, the Chinese Communist Party is clueless.

It remains astonishing that even now, the one American politician who instinctively grasped that the standard model of 20th-century government needed to adjust was Ronald Reagan. Barack Obama deployed the new world of social media in 2008 to become president, and then violated every new thing social media represents with a health-care law whose central processing unit is the antiquarian Department of Health and Human Services. He similarly nationalized student loans, forcing college students to deal with the punch-card mainframes or whatever they use at the U.S. Department of Education.

The public sector of its nature will always be behind the curve. But does it have to be routinely out of it, as Washington is now? The American people await a national politician or political party whose public policies at least occupy the same universe that the electronic tablet represents—real value that can be altered and upgraded to admit new realities.

Over time, a health-care dinosaur like ObamaCare was likely to implode under its own weight. It was inevitable that some future Congress would be forced to allow the delivery of medicine to join the rest of us in the 21st century. With or without the Supreme Court's thoughts Thursday on the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act, that day lies in the future.
 
Write to henninger@wsj.com
 
A version of this article appeared June 28, 2012, on page A15 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: The President That Time Forgot.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2012, 06:28:15 AM »
FUCKING AWESOME! 

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2012, 07:25:50 AM »
I'm thinking 6-3 down w the mandate

5-4 upholding the rest. 



why do you think the SC upheld it?

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2012, 07:27:06 AM »
why do you think the SC upheld it?


Not wanting to talk right now.   

Why do I think Roberts upheld?   I think Roberts is like W - a liar, a fraud, a snake, and an establishment statist.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2012, 07:32:10 AM »
I'm thinking 6-3 down w the mandate

5-4 upholding the rest. 


One of your great predictions...


Landslide coming  ::)

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2012, 07:36:49 AM »
One of your great predictions...


Landslide coming  ::)


You Obama drones are just blind to the fact Obamacare is going down and your messias will fail. Im 333... and i have been right all along but you welfare leeches are to brainwashed to see it.

Romney 2012!!!

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2012, 07:37:54 AM »
One of your great predictions...


Landslide coming  ::)


Good, cheer on this bullshit, typical.   Fucking typical of the obama drones. 

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2012, 07:40:10 AM »

Why do I think Roberts upheld?   I think Roberts is like W - a liar, a fraud, a snake, and an establishment statist.

Roberts decided with the Left on Arizona and Stolen Valor as well as Obamacare.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2012, 07:41:42 AM »
Good, cheer on this bullshit, typical.   Fucking typical of the obama drones.  

i think they're just shitting on you, rather than cheering on obamacare.



I just hope we get more from romney than "I'm going to repeal it".

Romney needs to come out with an ALLTERATIVE.  Simply saying "I'll end is so things can be as bad as they were without it" didn't work for repubs 4 years ago, and it sure as shit won't work now that SCOTUS supports it.


And, watch the 'me too' bandwagon as polls suddenly show americans support the bill.  watch and see, it'll shift now.

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Re: Count down to decision on ObamaCare
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2012, 07:44:51 AM »
At this point, a repub congress in 2013 can unfund parts of obamacare, BUT, anything that is regulatory in nature, THEY CANNOT TOUCH.

So when Romney says "I will repeal obamacare", what he is really saying is "The repubs in the house will get a bill thru, senate will approve with 51 votes, and I wont stand in the way - and we will be able to reverse SOME OF THE PARTS of obamacare".

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/can-mitt-romney-really-repeal-obamacare

And many agree it'll be too late to change the actual reality of what people see - it'll be a paperwork change but the companies will have already changed over.