Lunatic kills 12 at 'Dark Knight Rises' screening in Colorado

[Nirvana]

The Bible doesn't state HOW Cain killed Abel - plus I think your missing the point - it's about the amount of sudden death and ease with which a weapon can kill - good luck going to a cinema with a rock and outdoing the kills this JOKER pulled off - A Nuclear Bomb is also an inanimate object - should I be allowed to own a NUKE!

the policy of deterrence worked in the cold war and is still working today.

it's no coincidence that the only time a nuke was used on a country was when only one country had it.


the rodney king riots have already been mentioned too, only the koreans with shotguns were safe.


it's like the IFBBs drug policy, drugs for everybody = level playing field, it's when they try to regulate it is when you get cheaters.





gun control will only hurt law abiding citizens, unless you actually think these criminals and thugs get their weapons legally 

[Nails]

I guess dudeds dad landed in colorado friday





James Holmes' father just landed at the Denver International Airport, presumably to see his son who is in custody for the slaughter at the "Dark Knight" premiere.

Robert Holmes flew from his home in San Diego and was mum when he got on the Southwest Airlines flight.

Robert Holmes was the first one off the plane and was escorted by cops into a police van.

The Holmes family released a statement earlier expressing sympathy for the family of the victims and said they were cooperating with authorities.

[Nails]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-sales-aurora-colorado-shooting-spike-tuscon-161409369--finance.html


Gun sales spike in Colorado after shooting, just like they did in Arizona


Gun sales in Colorado have spiked since last week's massacre, The Denver Post reports.

Background checks jumped more than 41 percent since Friday's shooting that left 12 dead and 58 injured during a midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" at an Aurora movie theater. Over the weekend, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation approved background checks for 2,887 people who wanted to purchase a firearm, the Post said, an increase of 43 percent over the previous weekend.

"It's been insane," Jake Meyers, an employee at Rocky Mountain Guns and Ammo in Parker, Colo., told the paper.

Spikes in gun sales are not uncommon in the aftermath of mass shootings like the one in Colorado. Following the January 2011 shooting that killed six and wounded more than a dozen others—including former Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords—in Tucson, sales of handguns soared more than 60 percent in the state, according to FBI data. Similar spikes were seen after the massacres at Virginia Tech and Columbine.

[COMPLETE COVERAGE: Colorado theater shooting]

Some of those seeking to buy guns in Colorado over the weekend said they were seeking to arm themselves for protection in the wake of the shooting, according to the report. But many were likely fearful of a change in gun laws. Democratic state Rep. Rhonda Fields of Aurora told the paper she wants Congress to reinstate a ban on assault weapons.

"When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff," Greg Wolff, an Arizona gun shop owner, told Bloomberg.com after the rampage in Tucson.

They also get worried when a Democrat is about to take office. Before President Barack Obama's 2008 election, there was a spike in gun sales, and gun shop owners and manufacturers have reported similarly brisk buying in 2012.

"It's definitely the election year," Jason Hanson, a former CIA officer, told Fox News in March. "People feel that Obama will serve second term and with it their gun rights with taken away, so they are stocking up."

[Related: Violent crime dropped in 2011, but murders in small towns spiked, FBI says]

In December, the FBI reported a record number of background checks—1,534,414—sent by gun dealers. "Almost half a million checks were done in just the last six days before Christmas," according to CNN. In 2010, the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System received more than 14 million requests, more than in any other year.

James Holmes, the suspected shooter in Friday's massacre, was found with a military-style AR-15 assault rifle, two Glock .40-caliber pistols and a Remington 12-gauge shotgun when he was arrested outside the theater in Aurora. And like Jared Loughner, the accused killer in the Tucson massacre, Holmes purchased the guns legally.

[Radical Plato]

Ok, what if this guy drove a big truck into a large crowd of people full speed? Should trucks be banned?

I'm a big gun enthusiast and so are a lot of my friends. We love to shoot clay targets, hunt and go to the range and shoot holes in paper.
Why should we be punished for a single act of random violence? Makes no sense.

Fact is that there are lunatics across the world ...this Colorado tragedy could not have been prevented. It makes no sense to try to make sense of it and make new laws restricting peoples freedoms.

Once again, you miss the point, guns serve no social utility as truck do, trucks aren't designed with the sole purpose of inflicting injury or death, as are guns.  Trucks primary purpose is to transport goods and this is what they are used for, they make life more convenient for the masses.  Guns are designed with the sole purpose of harming others, guns serve no dual purpose and can be used for little more than that for which they are created.  I have never participated in hunting, or going to a range to shoot inanimate objects or holes in paper, and oddly enough I don't feel punished because I am unable to do those things (Guns are very hard to get in Australia - even for sports purposes) - I am sure that if guns are banned, those enthusiasts such as yourself will still be able to participate in sports shooting and going to a range albeit with tough Government regulations.

[Soul Crusher]

Once again, you miss the point, guns serve no social utility as truck do, trucks aren't designed with the sole purpose of inflicting injury or death, as are guns.  Trucks primary purpose is to transport goods and this is what they are used for, they make life more convenient for the masses.  Guns are designed with the sole purpose of harming others, guns serve no dual purpose and can be used for little more than that for which they are created.  I have never participated in hunting, or going to a range to shoot inanimate objects or holes in paper, and oddly enough I don't feel punished because I am unable to do those things (Guns are very hard to get in Australia - even for sports purposes) - I am sure that if guns are banned, those enthusiasts such as yourself will still be able to participate in sports shooting and going to a range albeit with tough Government regulations.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316322,00.html

READ and get back to us. 

[Radical Plato]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316322,00.html

READ and get back to us. 

I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one.  I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings.  Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone.  But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it  must be a level playing field.  Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!

[King Shizzo]

I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one.  I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings.  Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone.  But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it  must be a level playing field.  Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!

Your country just has pitbulls who attack fat, helpless, c*nts.

[Parker]

I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one.  I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings.  Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone.  But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it  must be a level playing field.  Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!

You also didn't have a Revolutionary War, which would not have been won if the Brits took away our guns...that's right, you were originally a Penal Colony, correct?

You also don't have a violent history with the natives---ours are on "Reservations" (sadly)
you also don't have the type of wildlife we have...your biggest predator is the Salt Water croc,
your biggest land mammal is the Red and grey kangaroos.
That was just for the hunting aspect.

Just as Ice T said, Americs was forged from violence, by the gun. It was how the West was won.
And unfortunately, if you live by the gun, you die by the gun.

[mesmorph78]

Once again, you miss the point, guns serve no social utility as truck do, trucks aren't designed with the sole purpose of inflicting injury or death, as are guns.  Trucks primary purpose is to transport goods and this is what they are used for, they make life more convenient for the masses.  Guns are designed with the sole purpose of harming others, guns serve no dual purpose and can be used for little more than that for which they are created.  I have never participated in hunting, or going to a range to shoot inanimate objects or holes in paper, and oddly enough I don't feel punished because I am unable to do those things (Guns are very hard to get in Australia - even for sports purposes) - I am sure that if guns are banned, those enthusiasts such as yourself will still be able to participate in sports shooting and going to a range albeit with tough Government regulations.

this.....
to be fair the vibe im getting is without those guns.... they dont feel secure...
kinda sad

[Radical Plato]

Your country just has pitbulls who attack fat, helpless, c*nts.

HA HA - long term Butt hurt Getbiggers and there sensitive souls are always good for a laugh - you know you are renting someone else's headspace when they look for every opportunity to remind you how much you hurt there feelings months ago.

[King Shizzo]

HA HA - long term Butt hurt Getbiggers and there sensitive souls are always good for a laugh - you know you are renting someone else's headspace when they look for every opportunity to remind you how much you hurt there feelings months ago.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am unsure of what your point is, would be easier if you just made one.  I don't have a dog in this race, I live in a country (Australia) were there is little to no guns and little to no serious gun crimes or lone wolf spree killings.  Having no guns hasn't hurt us, and is definitely a factor in the reason we don't have crazies killing everyone.  But I believe the solution is either everyone has guns, or no one has them - it  must be a level playing field.  Personally, I feel safer with no one having them and I didn't resent the Government buying back weapons and enforcing strict gun regulations after we had a lone gunmen (Martin Bryant) shoot the shit out of everyone in Tasmania in the 90's (some say it was a psy-op) but either way, I am glad no one has guns!

Nice try though
Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after Australian gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity.
31
 In 2001-2002, homicides
were up another 20%.
32
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Firearm-related murders were up 19%
• Armed robberies were up 69%
• Home invasions were up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose
160% in 2001, more in the previous
year.
33
Fact: A ten year Australian study has
concluded that firearm confiscation
had no effect on crime rates.
34
 A
separate report also concluded that
Australia’s 1996 gun control laws
“found [no] evidence for an impact of
the laws on the pre-existing decline in
firearm homicides”
35
 and yet another
report from Australia for a similar time
period indicates the same lack of
decline in firearm homicides
36
                                               
31
Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police, Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2000.
32
Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002, Australian Institute of Criminology, April 2003.
33
Costa targets armed robbers, The Sydney Morning Herald, April 4, 2002.
34
Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, Dr. Jeanine
Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.
35
Austrian firearms: data require cautious approach, S. McPhedran, S. McPhedran, and J. Baker, The British
Journal of Psychiatry, 2007, 191:562
36
 Australian firearms legislation and unintentional firearm deaths a theoretical explanation for the absence of
decline following the 1996 gun laws Public Health, Samara McPhedran, Jeanine Baker, Public Health, Volume 122,
Issue 3

[NarcissisticDeity]

this.....
to be fair the vibe im getting is without those guns.... they dont feel secure...
kinda sad

That's YOUR impression , you keep projecting onto others. Everyone has a false sense of security until something really bad happens then they are reminded how much security they really have.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You also didn't have a Revolutionary War, which would not have been won if the Brits took away our guns...that's right, you were originally a Penal Colony, correct?

You also don't have a violent history with the natives---ours are on "Reservations" (sadly)
you also don't have the type of wildlife we have...your biggest predator is the Salt Water croc,
your biggest land mammal is the Red and grey kangaroos.
That was just for the hunting aspect.

Just as Ice T said, Americs was forged from violence, by the gun. It was how the West was won.
And unfortunately, if you live by the gun, you die by the gun.

You also didn't have a Revolutionary War, which would not have been won if the Brits took away our guns...that's right, you were originally a Penal Colony, correct?

That's how the revolutionary war kicked off the Red coats were coming to confiscate munitions in Concord. 

[Nails]

Christian Bale in Aurora , Co. Visiting victims at the hospital

[Wiggs]

Christian Bale in Aurora , Co. Visiting victims at the hospital

Good stuff.  I knew he'd come through.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Christian Bale in Aurora , Co. Visiting victims at the hospital

Good dude.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Ok, so we're on the same page.

I'm surprised that in a gun friendly state like Colorado nobody in that movie theater was carrying.

If a few of the movie goers were armed, you can bet your ass a lot less innocent lives would have been lost.

Some people might have been carrying but didn't react fast enough or hit the ground and froze. The smoke bomb tear gas would make a lot of people hit the floor i'm guessing. Plus a lot of people who own guns are fcking pussies. Having a gun on hand doesn't necessarily make you a bad ass like 240 or bust...

[The Abdominal Snoman]

One of the victims in the James Holmes mass murder spree has lawyered up and plans to file a lawsuit ... because he feels the theater dropped the ball in a very fatal way.

Torrence Brown, Jr. was in Century 16 Theater when Holmes let loose.  One of Brown's best friends, A.J. Boik, was shot in the chest and died.  Brown, who was not physically injured, claims to now suffer from extreme trauma.









Brown has hired attorney Donald Karpel to rep him.  Karpel tells TMZ ... he is targeting 3 defendants.

1.  The theater.  Karpel claims it was negligent for the theater to have an emergency door in the front that was not alarmed or guarded.  It's widely believed Holmes entered the theater with a ticket,  propped the emergency door open from inside, went to his car and returned with guns.






2.  Holmes' doctors.  Karpel says it appears Holmes was on several medications -- prescribed by one or more doctors --  at the time of the shooting and he believes the docs did not properly monitor Holmes.





3.  Warner Bros.  Karpel says "Dark Knight Rises" was particularly violent and Holmes mimicked some of the action.  The attorney says theater goers were helpless because they thought the shooter was part of the movie.  Karpel tells TMZ, "Somebody has to be responsible for the rampant violence that is shown today."

Just about all the people in the theater will have post traumatic stress disorder(PTSD)...That shit is no joke. I don't blame anyone for wanting to lawyer up and see what can be had. Even if it's just someone paying for a shrink for a decade or so.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Some people might have been carrying but didn't react fast enough or hit the ground and froze. The smoke bomb tear gas would make a lot of people hit the floor i'm guessing. Plus a lot of people who own guns are fcking pussies. Having a gun on hand doesn't necessarily make you a bad ass like 240 or bust...

[Radical Plato]

Nice try though
Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first
two years after Australian gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity.
31
 In 2001-2002, homicides
were up another 20%.
32
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Firearm-related murders were up 19%
• Armed robberies were up 69%
• Home invasions were up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned. In Sydney
alone, robbery rates with guns rose
160% in 2001, more in the previous
year.
33
Fact: A ten year Australian study has
concluded that firearm confiscation
had no effect on crime rates.
34
 A
separate report also concluded that
Australia’s 1996 gun control laws
“found [no] evidence for an impact of
the laws on the pre-existing decline in
firearm homicides”
35
 and yet another
report from Australia for a similar time
period indicates the same lack of
decline in firearm homicides
36
                                                
31
Crime and Justice - Crimes Recorded by Police, Australian Bureau of Statistics, 2000.
32
Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002, Australian Institute of Criminology, April 2003.
33
Costa targets armed robbers, The Sydney Morning Herald, April 4, 2002.
34
Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?, Dr. Jeanine
Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.
35
Austrian firearms: data require cautious approach, S. McPhedran, S. McPhedran, and J. Baker, The British
Journal of Psychiatry, 2007, 191:562
36
 Australian firearms legislation and unintentional firearm deaths a theoretical explanation for the absence of
decline following the 1996 gun laws Public Health, Samara McPhedran, Jeanine Baker, Public Health, Volume 122,
Issue 3

Like I said, I don't have a dog in this race, I live in Australia, and from my experience an individual is more likely to be a victim at the hands of police than any criminal organisation - I don't trust Crime statistics, they always seem to be manipulated for political reasons, and like America, we have a small minority who love guns and look to find evidence to support the ownership of such weapons - one thing is for sure, we don't have Lone Wolf Gunmen shooting the shit out of everyone on a regular basis, we don't have schools that need security the way the USA does,  and it isn't a crime reduction that the gun reforms were used for, it was to reduce the risk of Lone Wolf Gunmen shooting the shit out of everyone - people can still get a gun, it's just that there are certain requirements one has to go through to get one and keep one, and for those who really want a gun, this is what they do.  Personally, I don't like guns or feel the need to own one and wouldn't obtain one even if I could buy one over the counter at the local supermarket, now if anarchy was the norm, and armed gunmen were running wild in the streets and raiding homes then things would be different, but the fact is, here in Australia, it isn't hard to avoid criminal activity by just being sensible about your life, being smart and when and where you go and taking necessary security precautions in securing your home and property.  My point is, I don't feel insecure or unsafe because virtually no-one owns guns!

[Wiggs]

Rob can you take off that ninja star on your arm and use it as a weapon?

[Radical Plato]

Just about all the people in the theater will have post traumatic stress disorder(PTSD)...That shit is no joke. I don't blame anyone for wanting to lawyer up and see what can be had. Even if it's just someone paying for a shrink for a decade or so.

Agreed, PTSD can fuck your life - it's one thing to watch fantasy violence during a movie, a completely different thing to experience a surreal event like this, those who survived will be scarred for a long time to come.

[Gregzs]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=64473

Warner Bros. officials have confirmed that The Dark Knight Rises star Christian Bale (Bruce Wayne/Batman) has visited the victims of the Aurora, Colorado movie theatre shooting of his own accord.

The Denver Post reports that Christian Bale has visited the victims of Thursday night's shooting at the Medical Center of Aurora in Colorado. This was confirmed by an assistant for Susan Fleishman, executive vice president for Warner Brothers corporate communications. "Mr. Bale is there as himself, not representing Warner Brothers." While petitions were started to get the actor to do this (some rather tastelessly suggesting that he appear in full costume as Batman), the fact he has done so of his own accord and without any photo opportunities is a VERY cool move on the actors part. Hospital personnel have apparently been overheard saying he was talking to patients. Earlier this week, Bale released a statement expressing his sympathies to those affected by the tragedy. "Words cannot express the horror that I feel. I cannot begin to truly understand the pain and grief of the victims and their loved ones, but my heart goes out to them."

[Parker]

That's how the revolutionary war kicked off the Red coats were coming to confiscate munitions in Concord.  

Exactly, first it was tax this and tax that, then let's take your weapons...