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Re: Bullshitters....
« Reply #100 on: August 06, 2012, 09:46:03 AM »
You guys sound like a cult.

Are you scientologists?
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Re: Bullshitters....
« Reply #101 on: August 06, 2012, 09:52:42 AM »
Yes, yes we are. Wanna join? Tom really wants to meet you.

You quoted some names there, this guy, that guy, the other guy. Some big numbers, too.

If I asked Scientologists abou the efficacy of their religion, they'd probably try the same shit.

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #102 on: August 06, 2012, 09:52:53 AM »
My beef with chiro's is that the large majority of them won't stop there and act within what the scientific method tells them that they should, instead they go on about "subluxations", upper back pain, neck pain etcetc. If they focused on the stuff that has been proven to work with a sound scientific philosophy behind it, I would not call them quacks.

But just because they happen to be able to somewhat treat/cure a certain condition doesn't mean they're not quacks.

The main ingredient in aspirin came from traditional herbal medicine, but that doesn't mean that most herbal medicine people aren't quacks.

Exactly.  There is too much of this inter-professional squabbling.  FFS...just treat the damn patient and STFU.  I am scorned by many in my profession and labeled a "medi-practor" because I use physio therapy along with my adjustments.  I think that there are times where medications are necessary.  

Do you agree that there are quacks in the MD arena?

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« Reply #103 on: August 06, 2012, 09:56:23 AM »
You quoted some names there, this guy, that guy, the other guy. Some big numbers, too.

If I asked Scientologists abou the efficacy of their religion, they'd probably try the same shit.
I'm sorry if you felt scared at any point during this thread. I'm here for you...if you need to talk.

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« Reply #104 on: August 06, 2012, 10:01:25 AM »
I'm sorry if you felt scared at any point during this thread. I'm here for you...if you need to talk.

Right now a blowjob is more of what I need. Use your chiro skill ;)

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Re: Bullshitters....
« Reply #105 on: August 06, 2012, 10:02:49 AM »
Right now a blowjob is more of what I need. Use your chiro skill ;)
I'd be better suited for a handy, right?

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Re: Bullshitters....
« Reply #106 on: August 06, 2012, 10:05:56 AM »
I'd be better suited for a handy, right?

I'm sure you've got excellent hand-mouth coordination ;)

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« Reply #107 on: August 06, 2012, 10:08:15 AM »
I'm sure you've got excellent hand-mouth coordination ;)
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Re: Bullshitters....
« Reply #108 on: August 06, 2012, 10:19:55 AM »
You guys sound like a cult.

Are you scientologists?

A cult has to do with religion, by definition.

We, are just a group of whack jobs.  In fact I told someone this morning that I could help their baldness if they sign up for 5yrs worth of care.  YES!!!  Down payment on Porche - ACCOMPLISHED!!!! 

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« Reply #109 on: August 06, 2012, 10:21:12 AM »
A cult has to do with religion, by definition.

We, are just a group of whack jobs.  In fact I told someone this morning that I could help their baldness if they sign up for 5yrs worth of care.  YES!!!  Down payment on Porche - ACCOMPLISHED!!!! 
How many chiropractors does it take to change a lightbulb?









Only 1, but it takes 5 visits  ;D

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2012, 10:24:35 AM »
Aw, you two chiros are so sweet :)

I've got nothing against your practice, am too uninformed to comment on its usefuleness or scientific orthodoxy or whatever. What I do know, is that when you're fucked up and doctors keep passing you between them like a ping-pong ball, you'll turn to anything, chiropracty, god, l ron hubbard, getbig, whatever

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #111 on: August 06, 2012, 10:26:52 AM »


Is this the book you're talking about?

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/page/cancer-killers
I can already tell from a quick glance that it's not a source to be trusted in any way, shape or form.



The Cancer Killers: The Cause Is The Cure offers a radically new perspective on cancer, overcoming the prevailing half-century-old fatalistic view of "its all in the genes" into a liberating and empowering new vision of what the human body is capable of overcoming, given the right conditions.

From the first-hand experience of Dr. Charles Majors, who overcame an "incurable" form of metastatic bone cancer, to the theoretical framework provided by Sayer Ji and Dr. Ben Lerner within which self-healing from cancer is made intelligible, this book strikes to the root causes of and solutions for the cancer epidemic.



Offers radical new treatment, claims to tear apart conventional medicine, first-hand experiences(read:anecdotes) etcetc. These are all huge warning signs that say "pseudo science". I'm sorry man but I'm not even going to bother reading it which is perhaps a bit close-minded but I've read so much of that kind of junk before.

The fact that they still spend millions upon millions of dollars on homeopathy research pretty much says it all, the people deciding who get research grants and who doesn't are obviously brainwashed or ignorant to a certain degree. Harsh words I know, but tbh there's not a lot of other ways of putting it.

Still you're relying on anecdotes. Replace chiro's with homeopaths and replace yourself with someone else that believes in A.M and I promise you they'll tell me the exact same story:

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when I learn that ......... is harmful, or that it does nothing, I would throw in the towel. So far, that couldn't be farther from the truth. I live this stuff, I see the good it does every single day, the kids who get helped, the athletes. Its an overwhelming amount of positive feedback.  My doc back home who has a ridiculously busy practice has MDs coming in all the time asking to shadow him and Learn what he does, because they dont understand why their patients are responding better under ................ care instead and getting off their meds. Some docs become enraged when their egos start to take a hit, but most MDs are blown away and have a newfound respect when they learn what we actually do, and the referrals come pouring in.

I see these kind of testimonials about every single A.M there is so I hope you understand why it's worthless to me, at least. What I'm interested in is evidence-based medicine.

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Interfere with its proper function, and your health will be affected

Exactly what kind of health are you talking about here? Does health mean anything else but lower back pain? If it does, you're walking on very thin ice, evidence-wise.

I'm currently a mechanical engineering student.

BINGO

This is what it largely comes down to. You have a different philosophy regarding health care than I do. You have been taught By the medical community What your approach to health should be. And that is fine, to each his own. But in my health care model, I'm seeing lives changed for the better every single day, people getting off their meds, feeling better, improving their health in an inexpensive, non invasive, remarkably safe manner.

Food for thought: the next time you have a headache and take some aspirin, ask yourself, "is my body deficient in aspirin today?" Is that why you take it? That should fix the problem right? Or maybe, it's just masking the symptoms?

Disclaimer: I'm not anti-medicine at all, but I think there are often times, better routes to optimal health. Do you know how many times we've had patients come in for their first visit and been on a laundry list of meds, half of which are prescribed to treat symptoms from other drugs, often times certain drugs even have OPPOSING actions in the body. It's crazy man...I see it all the time. These people aren't healthy.

The scientific method applies to us all, no matter if we like or not. It's not just "a different way" of looking at things, it's straight up the best method we have currently have to find out how nature and the universe works. It's not something you dismiss as just "another" philosophy. Either you are interested in coming closer and closer to the truth, or you ain't.

The fact that our average lifespan is well above 50 years and we all have reasonable dental health(major killer for cave men), have vaccines, antibiotics, preventive care etcetc is ALL due to modern evidence based medicine. ALL. OF. IT. Just roughly 150-200 years ago the best treatment "doctors" had to offer was bloodletting, which really should tell you something. What has happened since then? Modern evidence-based medicine.

It's not perfect by any means but we are consistently getting better at it and it's by far the best we've got. Put chiropractics up the same standard and see how it holds up.

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #112 on: August 06, 2012, 10:30:24 AM »
I work with a bullshitter a.k.a. "one upper". Whatever you may accomplish this dude has done it better.
He looks like a black George Costanza from Seinfeld. Chubby with man boobs, belly, short 5'8" or so and reaks of cheap cologne.

In response to me buying a Porsche: "I have a Lexus with a corvette motor that would smoke yours...it's in my garage."

In response after coming back from a vacation: "I was in my high rise condo in Miami during a hurricane and saw a car being spun around by the hurricane in the middle of the sea flying by my condo."

In response to a sales rep that walked into our department: "I married a fashion model that was wayyy hotter."
His now ex wife sued him for child support and alimony for the last 20 years ...and has never worked a day in her life.

In response to someone taking a few days off after an allergic reaction to a bee sting: " every time I walk out of my house I have to put on a bee suit because I have honey bees by my garage." I asked him even during the winter? "He said, yes during the winter too." I replied: Bees hibernate during the winter. ...he changed the subject quickly.

He claims to jog 5 miles daily...but I believe if he actually ran that much he would die of a heart attack.

Claimed to have "held his own" against a National Champion wrestler in college. ...he has 0 experience wrestling.

These are just some of the best ones I can think of right now

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #113 on: August 06, 2012, 10:31:41 AM »
This thread sure derailed.

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #114 on: August 06, 2012, 10:37:59 AM »
Do you agree that there are quacks in the MD arena?

Absolutely. I'll clarify and say that I'd assume that the medical training they got was not straight up quackery if they got it from an acknowledged university/medschool but I'm more than sure there are certified doctors out there that believe in and prescribe all kinds of nonsense.

But that makes me wonder exactly where you are going with that question? There is a huge difference between individual rotten apples and rotten apple tree's, you know.
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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #115 on: August 06, 2012, 11:35:32 AM »
Absolutely. I'll clarify and say that I'd assume that the medical training they got was not straight up quackery if they got it from an acknowledged university/medschool but I'm more than sure there are certified doctors out there that believe in and prescribe all kinds of nonsense.

But that makes me wonder exactly where you are going with that question? There is a huge difference between individual rotten apples and rotten apple tree's, you know.

Where I am going is this...people are so quick to jump on the 'quack' label for a chiropractor.  Yet, how many people (as you mentioned) have been passed from this guy, to this guy, to this guy.  I have one patient who (as god is my witness) said straight out to me when I tried to get a history on him "Enough with the fucking questions.  Why is it that all you doctors want to do is ask fucking questions?  You ask, and ask, and ask.  Not one thing I have done has helped despite all of these god damned questions".

LOL...I was like "Ok, Ed.  Heres what I am going to do.  Lets just find out about you as we go along".  This guy is bent over at about a 30 - 40 degree angle when he walks in.  He leaves, walking more upright.  Is he still in pain?  Yep.  Will he ever be pain free?  Nope.  He has 3 - 4 levels of discs that are either bulging or herniated.  He has MASSIVE bone spurs on a couple of lumbar vertebra.  Did I cause them?  Nope.  Can I reverse them?  Nope.  What can I do?  Help him feel better.  I adjust him, I put him in with my massage therapist (which I do not get reimbursed for due to the fact he has medicare...and they only cover spinal adjustments) for about 30 mins.  The guys demeanor has improved.  Again, do I claim I can 'cure' him.  Nope.  Is that being a quack?

Take a look at the article I made a link to.  Look at the alarming statistics that are presented on unnecessary surgeries.  Would you call one of those guys a quack for performing them?  How about the guy who removes the wrong kidney?  Is he a quack?  How about the guy who attempts a surgery that he knows he is not very well trained for...but his ego won't let him admit he shouldn't be doing it.  Is he quack?

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« Reply #116 on: August 06, 2012, 11:39:25 AM »
Where I am going is this...people are so quick to jump on the 'quack' label for a chiropractor.  Yet, how many people (as you mentioned) have been passed from this guy, to this guy, to this guy.  I have one patient who (as god is my witness) said straight out to me when I tried to get a history on him "Enough with the fucking questions.  Why is it that all you doctors want to do is ask fucking questions?  You ask, and ask, and ask.  Not one thing I have done has helped despite all of these god damned questions".

LOL...I was like "Ok, Ed.  Heres what I am going to do.  Lets just find out about you as we go along".  This guy is bent over at about a 30 - 40 degree angle when he walks in.  He leaves, walking more upright.  Is he still in pain?  Yep.  Will he ever be pain free?  Nope.  He has 3 - 4 levels of discs that are either bulging or herniated.  He has MASSIVE bone spurs on a couple of lumbar vertebra.  Did I cause them?  Nope.  Can I reverse them?  Nope.  What can I do?  Help him feel better.  I adjust him, I put him in with my massage therapist (which I do not get reimbursed for due to the fact he has medicare...and they only cover spinal adjustments) for about 30 mins.  The guys demeanor has improved.  Again, do I claim I can 'cure' him.  Nope.  Is that being a quack?

Take a look at the article I made a link to.  Look at the alarming statistics that are presented on unnecessary surgeries.  Would you call one of those guys a quack for performing them?  How about the guy who removes the wrong kidney?  Is he a quack?  How about the guy who attempts a surgery that he knows he is not very well trained for...but his ego won't let him admit he shouldn't be doing it.  Is he quack?

I definitely get what you're saying and you're right about the fact that the medical SYSTEM leaves a lot to be desired, which unfortunately in the end is a matter of budgets, politics and overall bullshit. The science behind modern treatments is still marching on strong, though.
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« Reply #117 on: August 06, 2012, 11:46:20 AM »
On a somewhat unrelated note;

When nanotechnology starts to have practical applications in medicine, the world will never be the same. It might just be the "ultimate" pill. There are really no theoretical bounds to how much nanotechnology can improve and heal our bodies.

The really exciting part is that most of us here will live to see it happen. And perhaps even live on much longer than we first might have expected.
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« Reply #118 on: August 06, 2012, 11:51:42 AM »
I definitely get what you're saying and you're right about the fact that the medical SYSTEM leaves a lot to be desired, which unfortunately in the end is a matter of budgets, politics and overall bullshit. The science behind modern treatments is still marching on strong, though.
The medical community uses the same thoughts as we do though. I just had a discussion with an MD who's been in practice for 30 years regarding the use of Adderall. He said flat out, there is no test that deems a person eligible for the prescription of the drug. There are no bio markers to check for ADD. But, as long as
Patients respond positively to the drug, and it enhances performance and quality of life with no downsides, why would he NOT prescribe it, even if there is no scientific test telling him that it is appropriate?

This is one example, there are countless others, of MDs following the same train of thought. To rank one of us as being "better" than the other is wrong. We do different things, we subscribe to different principles regarding the Body and it's ability to heal.

The idea that the medical community only subscribes to hard evidence-based clinical research is not a true statement bro. There are things that both of us do, to treat patients, that WORK. And some things we have no explanations for. But the happy patients and results we see are speaking for themselves.

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #119 on: August 06, 2012, 11:56:44 AM »
I definitely get what you're saying and you're right about the fact that the medical SYSTEM leaves a lot to be desired, which unfortunately in the end is a matter of budgets, politics and overall bullshit. The science behind modern treatments is still marching on strong, though.

You're right, it IS bullshit.  When someone with medicare comes into my office that needs physical therapy...I have to charge them for that because medicare does not reimburse for that for chiros.  PT's..yes.  Will the patient get the same care if done by me?  Yep.  Also, one thing that gives my profession the bad name is the patients who are unwilling to take responsibility for themselves.  You have a guy come in who is 320lbs with TWO blown discs in his back...and after three treatments tells me that the pain down his leg is not better and that the treatment isnt working.  Well, so sorry that my adjustment won't make you lose 100+ lbs so that your spine won't have to bear the brunt of so much excess bodyweight.  So sorry that you have had this pain for nearly 3yrs and even though it would come and go, you didn't ever think you needed treatment until that radiating pain is now down to your heel and its keeping you up at night.  So sorry that you don't think you should have to pay your co-pays because the care didn't magically get you better like you wanted.

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #120 on: August 06, 2012, 12:05:25 PM »
The medical community uses the same thoughts as we do though. I just had a discussion with an MD who's been in practice for 30 years regarding the use of Adderall. He said flat out, there is no test that deems a person eligible for the prescription of the drug. There are no bio markers to check for ADD. But, as long as
Patients respond positively to the drug, and it enhances performance and quality of life with no downsides, why would he NOT prescribe it, even if there is no scientific test telling him that it is appropriate?

This is one example, there are countless others, of MDs following the same train of thought. To rank one of us as being "better" than the other is wrong. We do different things, we subscribe to different principles regarding the Body and it's ability to heal.

Well funny you should mention that, since I don't have much faith in psychology either. Today's neuroscience, which undoubtedly has made huge strides, is still in its infancy. We still have a very poor understanding of how the brain works and one consequence of that is the example you just mentioned. Still the solution to that problem remains to be found through science.

I definitely see your point, though.  I do have two objections if one is comparing that example to chiropractics;

1) Adderall from what I know, actually does have an effect that is way stronger beyond placebo. If not super-strong, then at least it's measurable.

2) The symptoms Adderall is prescribed for is to my knowledge symptoms that doesn't have many origins/roots except for "the brain works in mysterious ways", which is a good thing since it decreases the risk of Adderall masking the symptoms of another potentially harmful/fatal disease(I'll point out that I do not have a medical background, so I could very well be wrong on this.). The danger with chiropractics and placebos is that the placeboeffect could potentially mask symptoms of a much graver problem.
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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #121 on: August 06, 2012, 12:13:52 PM »
Well funny you should mention that, since I don't have much faith in psychology either. Today's neuroscience, which undoubtedly has made huge strides, is still in its infancy. We still have a very poor understanding of how the brain works and one consequence of that is the example you just mentioned. Still the solution to that problem remains to be found through science.

I definitely see your point, though.  I do have two objections if one is comparing that example to chiropractics;

1) Adderall from what I know, actually does have an effect that is way stronger beyond placebo. If not super-strong, then at least it's measurable.

2) The symptoms Adderall is prescribed is to my knowledge symptoms that doesn't have many origins/roots except for "the brain works in mysterious ways", which is a good thing since it decreases the risk of Adderall masking the symptoms of another potentially harmful/fatal disease(I'll point out that I do not have a medical background, so I could very well be wrong on this.). The danger with chiropractics and placebos that the placeboeffect could potentially mask symptoms of a much graver problem.
Lol I could say as well "the danger with mainstream medicine is that they often times treat the symptoms, without addressing the cause, which is masking the root problem."

Ex: back pain, let's take pain meds instead of correcting biomechanical deficiencies. Otitis media, let's prescribe more antibiotics without checking for upper cervical nerve interference That is promoting the pathology, etc.

For what is worth, In my time involved with this, I've yet to hear of a patient who was feeling so good due to placebo affect that they disregarding an MDs advice and ended up hurting themself/dying, or a patient who ended up worse off via placebo effect and later complications. Never heard of it happening. And any DC that will NOT refer out to an MD if the patient needs it, is truly a BAD doctor. Just last week I was shadowing with a local DC and a patient came in presenting with stroke-like symptoms. The doc had her lie down on the table, ran to the phone and called an ambulance. Saved her life by being a smart doctor and not trying to overstep his scope of practice but following the basic checklists we learn in school.

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« Reply #122 on: August 06, 2012, 12:22:41 PM »
Lol I could say as well "the danger with mainstream medicine is that they often times treat the symptoms, without addressing the cause, which is masking the root problem."

Ex: back pain, let's take pain meds instead of correcting biomechanical deficiencies. Otitis media, let's prescribe more antibiotics without checking for upper cervical nerve interference That is promoting the pathology, etc.


Which is also true, but I think you're missing the point. Evidence based medicine will eventually(or at least tries to) correct these faulty diagnostics and treatments because after all, it relies on finding out what works and what doesn't. Again, modern medicine isn't by any means perfect, but it keeps making improvements almost monthly.

Chiropractics that relies mostly on the placebo effect(as the most rigorous studies shows) does present a danger by not even honestly trying to find out what the best way to treat the illness really is. No, lets subject the patient to a ton of a x-rays, make em pay for 10 treatments in advance and crack their backs. That should take care of it  ::)
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« Reply #123 on: August 06, 2012, 12:26:17 PM »
Which is also true, but I think you're missing the point. Evidence based medicine will eventually(or at least tries to) correct these faulty diagnostics and treatments because after all, it relies on finding out what works and what doesn't. Again, modern medicine isn't by any means perfect, but it keeps making improvements almost monthly.

Chiropractics that relies mostly on the placebo effect(as the most rigorous studies shows) does present a danger by not even honestly trying to find out what the best way to treat the illness really is. No, lets subject the patient to a ton of a x-rays, make em pay for 10 treatments in advance and crack their backs. That should take care of it  ::)
Show me these placebo studies?

The issue is we do try to find the best way, it just conflicts with your view point.

Also, a ton of X rays? I've never heard of a DC taking more than 1 set of films. Is your point the danger of radiation? Know how much radiation your iPhone puts out? Know how much radiation you are exposed to on a flight from Seattle to Chicago?

I'm afraid you are dismissing what we actually do. If you are ever in the Midwest, hit me up. Spend a few hours with me in a docs office and see for yourself. I've never had anyone leave the office I work at with a negative view of it, EVER. And I've had some real assholes like yourself come in  :D JK bro

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Re: Bullshitters.... someone that makes up shit so often you shake your head
« Reply #124 on: August 06, 2012, 12:28:48 PM »
For what is worth, In my time involved with this, I've yet to hear of a patient who was feeling so good due to placebo affect that they disregarding an MDs advice and ended up hurting themself/dying, or a patient who ended up worse off via placebo effect and later complications. Never heard of it happening. And any DC that will NOT refer out to an MD if the patient needs it, is truly a BAD doctor. Just last week I was shadowing with a local DC and a patient came in presenting with stroke-like symptoms. The doc had her lie down on the table, ran to the phone and called an ambulance. Saved her life by being a smart doctor and not trying to overstep his scope of practice but following the basic checklists we learn in school.


I honestly don't remember any statistics when it comes the chiro's and placeboeffect masking etc but I do know that it's a much bigger problem among homeopaths since they claim to cure all kinds of shit. I guess it also depends on what type of chiropractor we're talking about. Some of them have absolutely no shame whatsoever and others actually do care about what works and what doesn't.
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