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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #100 on: August 06, 2012, 09:31:56 AM »
Either way, the motivation behind the attack was for obvious revenge on 9/11 even though it wasnt Sikhs. Sikhs can hate him all they want, his motivation was entirely misguided.
It just goes to show that it takes a moron to commit an atrocity such as this.

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« Reply #101 on: August 06, 2012, 09:34:27 AM »
Either way, the motivation behind the attack was for obvious revenge on 9/11 even though it wasnt Sikhs. Sikhs can hate him all they want, his motivation was entirely misguided.
I thought I saw something saying his was former military or something... but I can't imagine anyone in the military being unable to tell the difference between a muslim and a dothead.

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« Reply #102 on: August 06, 2012, 09:35:57 AM »
I thought I saw something saying his was former military or something... but I can't imagine anyone in the military being unable to tell the difference between a muslim and a dothead.
Supposedly he had a 9/11 tattoo.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #103 on: August 06, 2012, 09:46:58 AM »
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« Reply #104 on: August 06, 2012, 09:49:33 AM »
Gunman named in US Sikh temple shooting

Police have identified former veteran Wade Michael Page as the gunman, who killed six worshipers at a Sikh temple in the US state of Wisonsin.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #105 on: August 06, 2012, 09:50:41 AM »
This is almost too cliche to be real.

Lol @ epic white trash.

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« Reply #106 on: August 06, 2012, 09:51:44 AM »
Thats not Chaos.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #107 on: August 06, 2012, 09:53:23 AM »
Why do these guys always have three names?

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #108 on: August 06, 2012, 09:56:02 AM »
It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.

Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.

Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black

Stabbing? Probably mexican

etc etc etc

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« Reply #109 on: August 06, 2012, 09:56:43 AM »
I thought I saw something saying his was former military or something... but I can't imagine anyone in the military being unable to tell the difference between a muslim and a dothead.

I briefly read the paper and did not see anything about him being former military. However, I could be entirely wrong.

Okay, it looks like he was a vet!
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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #110 on: August 06, 2012, 09:59:27 AM »
Why do these guys always have three names?

The mother often doesn't know if the kid is her brother's or father's.
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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #111 on: August 06, 2012, 10:02:30 AM »
It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.

Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.

Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black

Stabbing? Probably mexican

etc etc etc

what about that korean kid who killed thirty people in 2007 in some university.

and he had three names, too.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #112 on: August 06, 2012, 10:03:27 AM »
what about that korean kid who killed thirty people in 2007 in some university.

and he had three names, too.
I wasn't really sure where to go with the Asians. I figure there was a video game joke in there somewhere, I just wasn't witty enough to put together a good one.

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« Reply #113 on: August 06, 2012, 10:03:40 AM »
It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.

Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.

Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black

Stabbing? Probably mexican

etc etc etc
Lol, brutal generalization.  We all have our lapses Shock.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #114 on: August 06, 2012, 10:04:38 AM »
Lol, brutal generalization.  We all have our lapses Shock.
Seriously man, start playing "guess the race" whenever you hear of violent crimes.
Ill place a bet that you can guess right up to 90% of the time.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #115 on: August 06, 2012, 10:05:38 AM »
 I thought the Washington sniper was gonna be a white guy when that was going down.
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« Reply #116 on: August 06, 2012, 10:06:40 AM »
I thought the Washington sniper was gonna be a white guy when that was going down.
True, how many snipers are black to begin with? 

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« Reply #117 on: August 06, 2012, 12:12:16 PM »
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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #118 on: August 06, 2012, 12:34:39 PM »

Wade Michael Page

FBI: Seeking second "person of interest" in Oak Creek Sikh temple shooting


A man with a 9/11 tattoo looks at his cell phone Sunday after taking video of media, friends and relatives gathered by police in a parking lot near the Sikh temple in Oak Creek. Authorities are attempting to identify the man, who they described as "a person of interest."

The shooter who opened fire before worship services Sunday at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek and killed six people before he was killed by police is Wade Michael Page, a 40-year-old Army veteran, U.S. Attorney James A. Santelle said Monday.

He said officials believe he purchased the 9mm handgun legally in Wisconsin.

At a news conference at 10 a.m., authorities said they were attempting to identify another person, a white male, who they described as "a person of interest."

A man matching the photo officials showed was seen by Journal Sentinel reporters at the scene of the temple Sunday, possibly taking video of what was going on. Anyone with information on the man is asked to call 1-800-CALL-FBI.

Page, 40, served in the military approximately between 1992 and 1998, Santelle said.

Other sources familiar with the shooting investigation said Wade was assigned to psychological operations, or PsyOps.

At the news briefing in Oak Creek, officials identified the Oak Creek police officer who was shot when he responded to the temple as Lt. Brian Murphy, 51, an experienced member of the department's tactical unit.

Murphy was a finalist for the Oak Creek police chief post in 2010 and has 21 years with the department

Satwant Singh Kaleka, 65, the temple president, was killed Sunday after attempting to tackle the gunman.

Oak Creek Police identified the other victims Monday as Sita Singh, 41; Ranjit Singh, 49; Prakash Singh, 39; Paramjit Kaur, 41; and Suveg Singh, 84.

Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said during the news conference that Murphy was the first officer on the scene and came upon a victim in the temple parking lot. As Murphy was going to assist the victim, who is among the dead, he was ambushed by the gunman. Murphy was shot eight to nine times at "very close range" with a handgun, one of the shots striking his neck area, Edwards said.

Other officers arriving on the scene heard shots but did not know Murphy had been wounded, Edwards said. They saw the gunman, ordered him to drop his weapon and put his hands up, but he did not, Edwards said.

The gunman fired at officers and the bullets struck squad cars. At that point, an officer with a rifle shot and killed the suspect, Edwards said. He did not identify that officer, saying that a separate investigation was being conducted as a result of the officer-involved shooting. The Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office and the Milwaukee Police Department are working on that investigation.

Murphy is in critical condition but is expected to survive, Edwards said.

In addition to Murphy, three others who were at the temple were injured. Two are in a hospital in critical condition. The third was treated and released, Edwards said.

In remarks before Edwards spoke, Mayor Steve Scaffidi said, there is "no doubt in my mind the heroic actions of our police officers prevented a greater tragedy."

Group says it has tracked Page for years

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that has studied hate crimes for decades, reported Monday that Page was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band known as End Apathy.

Heidi Beirich, director of the center's intelligence project, said her group had been tracking Page since 2000, when he tried to purchase goods from the National Alliance, a well-known hate group.

The National Alliance was led by William Pierce, who was the author of "The Turner Diaries." The book depicts a violent revolution in the United States leading to an overthrow of the federal government and, ultimately, a race war. Parts of the book were found in Timothy McVeigh's getaway car after the bombing of the federal building Oklahoma City in 1995.

Beirich said there was "no question" Page was an ardent follower and believer in the white supremacist movement. She said her center had evidence that he attended "hate events" around the country.

"He was involved in the scene," she said.

Pierce is dead, and Beirich said the National Alliance is no longer considered to be an influential group.

Also on Monday, a volunteer human-rights group called Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) found links between Page, his band and a white supremacist website called Stormfront.

Jeffrey Imm, who heads R.E.A.L., said in an interview Monday that someone based in Milwaukee using the name "End Apathy" began posting on the website in February 2008. Additionally, appearances by Page's band were promoted on the Stormfront site, including a white supremacist gathering in March 2012 in Richmond, Va.

Here is a screen capture of the "End Apathy" post. And here is a post on Stormfront promoting the band's appearance.



Santelle, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, said he believed Page left the Army under a general discharge, but wasn't sure what that indicated about his service.

Officials at the Army's national records center in St. Louis said the FBI took Page's military records Sunday night.

Wade has ties to Colorado and North Carolina, Santelle said, but investigators are not certain what brought him to the Milwaukee area.

It's unclear how long he was in Wisconsin before he began renting a duplex in the 3700 block of E. Holmes Ave. in Cudahy starting in July.

Santelle said he didn't believe Wade had a criminal record. He added that investigators are still tracing the history of the 9mm handgun Wade used. But Santelle said that he thought it had been purchased legally in Wisconsin.

The gun used in the temple shooting has been traced by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said Tom Ahern, spokesman for the agency. Under an urgent trace request, the ATF has determined the original buyer of the weapon. Ahern said it is up to Oak Creek police to release information on the gun purchase.

At the news conference, ATF special agent in charge Bernard Zapor said of the gun, "We know of its origin. We know where it came from," and "how it ended up in the hands of this killer."

But other than to say it was a 9mm handgun and that a number of magazines were found at the scene, Zapor would not disclose anything else about the gun.

However, sources familiar with the investigation said Page bought the gun at Shooters Shop, at S. 84th St. and W. Arthur Ave., in West Allis.

The gun was purchased July 28 and picked up July 30, less than a week before the shooting.

Page received a general discharge from the Army, meaning that he could legally buy a firearm. Had he received a dishonorable discharge, he would have been prohibited from purchasing the weapon.

Shooters Shop owner Kevin Nugent said Monday federal agents had not visited him on the purchase and he could not confirm that Page bought the gun at his store.

Law enforcement officials have been investigating the Cudahy duplex where Page lived. The block on E. Holmes Ave. was cordoned off for a time Sunday night as officials investigated inside, and residents were evacuated from their homes.

The officers came out of the duplex around midnight, carrying large items.

Edwards, the Oak Creek police chief, said investigators carefully searched the house because they were concerned it might be booby-trapped.

At the Monday news conference, FBI Special Agent in Charge Teresa Carlson said investigators were able to safely enter the residence. She provided no details of what they found.

She said there was no indication the suspect was capable of such violence.

But Carlson said investigators were trying to find Page's family and associates to speak with them, although she stated there was no reason to believe anyone else was associated with the shooting.

She also said the FBI was looking at Page's possible ties to white supremacist groups, but she noted there was no active investigation of Page until Sunday.
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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #119 on: August 06, 2012, 12:39:38 PM »
Page described as quiet, "not a friendly guy"

Page is believed to have worked as a truck driver with Granger, Iowa-based Barr-Nunn Transportation, from about April 2006 to August 2010 while living in Fayetteville, N.C. An employee at the company said he left "involuntarily" but declined to elaborate.

Records from the Cumberland County, N.C., Sheriff's Department show Page was issued five permits to purchase pistols in May of 2008.

He was described at the time as 5-10, 210 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. He was single and had a scar on his stomach and tattoos, including lettering on his hands, a Celtic knot on his back and fire on his leg.

The only criminal contact the department had on Page was a charge of writing a worthless check in October 1997.

In Cudahy, Amber Young, 14, said she saw a man walking a dog, a black Labrador, on several occasions near the house that was searched and that the man, who she believed lived in the house, had a 9/11 tattoo on his upper right arm.

"He was walking his dog and it was right there," she said pointing to her own upper right arm.

Carlson of the FBI told the Journal Sentinel that there is no 9-11 tattoo on Page's body. Several national news organizations reported Sunday that the shooter had such a tattoo.

It is unclear who the man Amber Young saw was. The man the FBI identified as a "person of interest" does have a 9/11 tattoo on his arm.

Before moving to the Cudahy address, Page lived for a time earlier this year in South Milwaukee.

David Brown, 62, a neighbor who lived in the same South Milwaukee apartment building, said Page was a recluse. He was "not a friendly guy," he said. "You'd have more fun with a camel."

"He was very quiet. You'd say hi and he'd kind of 'uh.' It was like he didn't care if you were talking or not."

Brown saw Page driving a plain white delivery truck several times. Page lived in apartment No. 5 with his girlfriend, Misty, who was going to the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and who has an autistic son, and whose father helped out with child care and car maintenance.

Page liked to play music at odd hours of the night and work out in the basement with free weights.

Brown saw him there when he went to do laundry. "I never saw him carry a gun," said Brown, a former navy officer who is retired from working in aviation electronics.

Page and his girlfriend moved out about four or five months ago.

"He didn't seem mean. It was kind of like he was angry at the world. But I'm not a psychiatrist," Brown said.
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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #120 on: August 06, 2012, 12:41:07 PM »


Killing with a gun is much easier and more removed than stabbing with a knife, strangling etc. I also suggest it's easier than a molotov otherwise all these masacre guys in America would be using molotovs.

I'm from the UK and we don't shoot each other at the same rate because we have less guns. If everyone had a gun then every nutter who felt a bit pissed off could just go on a killing rampage, like Americans constantly do. And contrary to your analysis we're not molotoving the crap out of each other instead, or doing extra stabbings, we just commit less murders.

Misguided national pride leads you all to think you need to "protect your god-given constitutional right to defend your home" or whatever crap it is you all say, but in reality you're just dying by the thousands each year, whilst hilariously proclaiming the reason is NOT ENOUGH guns. Bwahahahahahahahahah



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Ironically,
firearm use in
crimes in the UK
has doubled in the
decade since
handguns were
banned




From The Times
August 24, 2007


Senior police officers have been warning for several months that a growing number of teenagers in big cities are becoming involved in gun crime.

The age of victims and suspects has fallen over the past three years as the availability of firearms in some cities has risen. Liverpool and Manchester are the cities where illegal guns are most readily available, with criminals claiming that some weapons are being smuggled from Ireland. Sawn-off shotguns are now being sold for as little as £50, and handguns for £150.

Despite a ban on handguns introduced in 1997 after 16 children and their teacher were shot dead in the Dunblane massacre the previous year, their use in crimes has almost doubled to reach 4,671 in 2005-06. Official figures show that although Britain has some of the toughest anti-gun laws in the world, firearm use in crime has risen steadily. This year eight young people have been killed in gun attacks: six in London and one each in Manchester and Liverpool.

“Illegal firearms have become increasingly accessible to younger offenders who appear more likely to use these firearms recklessly,” a report on gun crime commissioned by the Home Office cautioned last year.

The research supports warnings from police chiefs in Merseyside and London about the spread of gun use in gangs and among teenagers.

Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Chief Constable of Merseyside, said this year that although gun crime in the area had fallen there had been an increase in the number of teenagers involved in firearms crimes.

Figures from the Metropolitan Police show that the average age of gun crime victims in London fell from 24 to 19 between 2004-06 and that there was a similar trend among suspects charged in connection with shootings.

Mr Hogan-Howe said that youths were being protected by a wall of silence, and he demanded a new law to compel the public to give information about gun crime. He said that action must be taken to break down the power base of families involved in gun crime. “Families who do nothing to stop their children’s involvement in gun crime put society at risk and could find themselves identifying their child in the morgue,” he said.

The Home Office research highlighted how guns were an integral part of a gang culture in which guns were used to deal with disputes. “In the context of firearm ownership, even quite trivial disputes may result in shootings as the presence of guns elevates threat levels and the so-called ‘shoot or be shot’ scenario precipitates pre-emptive violence,” the study said.

Policies to help to deal with the problem were considered at a scheduled No 10 summit yesterday, chaired by Gordon Brown and attended by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, Beverley Hughes, the Children’s Minister, Lord Hunt, the Justice Minister, as well as police chiefs and local government leaders.

It was the first of a series of meetings to tackle the issue. Mandatory minimum jail sentences for carrying knives and requiring people to give information if they are aware that people have illegal weapons are among the ideas under discussion. Mrs Smith has asked the Serious Organised Crime Agency to look atways to curb the importation of illegal weapons.

After the 90-minute meeting, the Prime Minister said: “Make no mistake about this — the people responsible will be tracked down, they will be arrested and they will be punished.” He said that the Home Office would be earmarking ten areas for an intensive campaign against gun and knife crime. The areas will be announced next week.

Mr Brown added that families would be offered greater support. “The vast majority of young people are decent and law-abiding. They too want to feel safe and secure on our streets. Where there’s a need for early intervention, we will work very intensively with those families so that young people are deterred from going into gangs and guns and knife crime,” he said.

Mrs Smith has outlined a range of measures, including the increased use of Acceptable Behaviour Contracts and a crackdown on the sale of alcohol to under-age children. The Government has issued guidance to police and local authorities on how to use the contracts — written pledges to improve behaviour — effectively.

David Cameron said that social breakdown would be the central theme of the Conservative election manifesto. Sir Menzies Campbell, leader of the Liberal Democrats, called for a “change of atmosphere” in communities with gang violence, but said that there was “no simple solution”.

A year in Merseyside

552

gun crime incidents in 2005-06

8

murders

17

attempted murders

Source: Merseyside Police Authority

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« Reply #121 on: August 06, 2012, 12:59:53 PM »
Death spirals...Not just copycats, but it's "in the air", people are feeling desperate---whether it be jobs, minorities, or imaginary "boogeymen" (Obama, the government, the 4 horsemen, Gumby, Kobe Bryant vs Lebron,
the woman with the big booty won't talk to him, nobody listens, etc)

America is going thru something right now. The bigger problem is this, instead of acknowledging this, the politicians will use it a weapon to crack down on the American public---but not the criminals.


Agree.
Poor Sikhs.
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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #122 on: August 06, 2012, 01:00:32 PM »
Either way, the motivation behind the attack was for obvious revenge on 9/11 even though it wasnt Sikhs. Sikhs can hate him all they want, his motivation was entirely misguided.

The funny part is that the Sikhs won't... They will not even talk about it in terms of race... Every white person discussing it will, but they will not.

Pay attention on this one... It will be all white people.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #123 on: August 06, 2012, 07:04:07 PM »
It amuses me that 99 times out of 100, you can guess the race just by the way the crime was committed.

Lone gunman blows away a bunch of people? Probably white.
Creepy Child Molester? Probably white.
Psychotic, methodical serial killer? Probably white.

Any combination of rape, murder, and torture over something stupid? Probably black

Stabbing? Probably mexican

etc etc etc
What about the two shootings in Grand Rapids and Connecticut in the past two years?? In both instances the victims were all white and the shooter black. And their tally was higher than this shooter. If you forgot I can provide a link for you.

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Re: Mass Shooting at Sikh Temple Near Milwaukee-10:30 a.m. today
« Reply #124 on: August 06, 2012, 07:15:38 PM »
What about the two shootings in Grand Rapids and Connecticut in the past two years?? In both instances the victims were all white and the shooter black. And their tally was higher than this shooter. If you forgot I can provide a link for you.
Yes, I understand this, usually the pre-meditated killers, the ones that stock up ammo and go on a rampage, are white.

Random killings tend to be committed by black people.