Rare legendary Ronnie Coleman pics

[NeoSeminole]

great shot of dorian 93 but as  you can see ronnie beats him

dorian's shit arms ruin the pose and his back is hard but thin and flat.

ronnie's is much thicker even at 247 pounds vs 257.

dorian often overdieted and came in flat, something ronnie did in 2002 etc.

Ronnie's back was better than Dorian's. Flex magazine agrees, Peter McGough agrees, and even Ronnie himself said so

The 20 Best Backs of All Time - Flex, March 2008

4. Lee Haney
3. Joel Stubbs
2. Dorian Yates
1. Ronnie Coleman

Peter McGough - Muscular Development, October 2012

"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."

Ronnie's Facebook Page

[Frank Clairmonte]

Ronnie's back was better than Dorian's. Flex magazine agrees, Peter McGough agrees, and even Ronnie himself said so

The 20 Best Backs of All Time - Flex, March 2008

4. Lee Haney
3. Joel Stubbs
2. Dorian Yates
1. Ronnie Coleman

Peter McGough - Muscular Development, October 2012

"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."

Ronnie's Facebook Page

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's back was better than Dorian's. Flex magazine agrees, Peter McGough agrees, and even Ronnie himself said so

The 20 Best Backs of All Time - Flex, March 2008

4. Lee Haney
3. Joel Stubbs
2. Dorian Yates
1. Ronnie Coleman

Peter McGough - Muscular Development, October 2012

"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."

Ronnie's Facebook Page

Oh McGough is quotable now? because you personally called him an ' idiot ' 

Ronnie is right now? what happened to 

don't posts quotes from either fanboy 

[NarcissisticDeity]

I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source 

Neo you're just like a weasel politician always flip-flopping

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

[NeoSeminole]

ND won't recover. He has been owned so bad in this thread. I knew the day would come when new quotes become available that refute everything he says. I warned him for years that he shouldn't quote Ronnie b/c he isn't a reliable source, but noooooo. The idiot kept quoting him anyways as some kind of 'trump card' to overrule all the quotes from other bodybuilding experts. Now the day has come when Ronnie not only says Dorian couldn't hang with him at his prime, but also says his back was better than Dorian's and doesn't even acknowledge Dorian as the best bodybuilder he ever faced

[Metabolic]

I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.

Judging cannot be extrapolated through years.  It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.

If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.

If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses.  This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.

Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.


GOD DAMN IM GOOD.

[King Shizzo]

Lots of butthurt stalkers in these "vs." threads.  Who gives a shit.

[NeoSeminole]

I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source

Neo you're just like a weasel politician always flip-flopping

First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.

again your quote

I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.

^^^

[Metabolic]

I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.

Judging cannot be extrapolated through years.  It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.

If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.

If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses.  This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.

Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.


GOD DAMN IM GOOD.

Also, Id like Kahn.n.Sighn opinion's on this post (no homo)

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND won't recover. He has been owned so bad in this thread. I knew the day would come when new quotes become available that refute everything he says. I warned him for years that he shouldn't quote Ronnie b/c he isn't a reliable source, but noooooo. The idiot kept quoting him anyways as some kind of 'trump card' to overrule all the quotes from other bodybuilding experts. Now the day has come when Ronnie not only says Dorian couldn't hang with him at his prime, but also says his back was better than Dorian's and doesn't even acknowledge Dorian as the best bodybuilder he ever faced

Neo you're the only one who got owned and you knew it was coming when you posted those quotes from Ronnie too. 

The difference between you and I moron is , I always maintained even because Ronnie said it , it doesn't make it true. You on the other hand called him a moron claimed you didn't care what he had to say and then you thought you struck gold lol

It backfired and blew up in your face Ronnie is wrong and an idiot when he said Dorian would beat him but right when he said he wouldn't .

You fail  I will never let you escape this fact. 

[NeoSeminole]

Neo you're the only one who got owned and you knew it was coming when you posted those quotes from Ronnie too.

The difference between you and I moron is , I always maintained even because Ronnie said it , it doesn't make it true. You on the other hand called him a moron claimed you didn't care what he had to say and then you thought you struck gold lol

It backfired and blew up in your face Ronnie is wrong and an idiot when he said Dorian would beat him but right when he said he wouldn't .

You fail I will never let you escape this fact.

how does it feel ND?


Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012

"I don't think [Dorian] could have hung with me when I was on top."


Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012

Peter: "Who’s the greatest bodybuilder you ever competed against?"

Ronnie: "Flex [Wheeler]. He had that combination of full muscle bellies, shape, condition and mass."

^^^ aww, where's Dorian?


Ronnie's Facebook Page

[mesmorph78]

how does it feel ND?


Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012

"I don't think [Dorian] could have hung with me when I was on top."


Ronnie Coleman Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012

Peter: "Who’s the greatest bodybuilder you ever competed against?"

Ronnie: "Flex [Wheeler]. He had that combination of full muscle bellies, shape, condition and mass."


Ronnie's Facebook Page

course he had a better back

[RocketSwitch625]

Ronnie Coleman never had back development better than this:

[Jaime]

I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.

Judging cannot be extrapolated through years.  It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.

If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.

If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses.  This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.

Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.


GOD DAMN IM GOOD.

Great post.

GOD DAMN YOUR GOOD.

[NarcissisticDeity]

how does it feel ND?


Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012

"I don't think [Dorian] could have hung with me when I was on top."


Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012

Peter: "Who’s the greatest bodybuilder you ever competed against?"

Ronnie: "Flex [Wheeler]. He had that combination of full muscle bellies, shape, condition and mass."

^^^ aww, where's Dorian?


Ronnie's Facebook Page

Don't quote Ronnie or Peter McGough Neo , according to you Ronnie isn't a credible source because he's dumb and McGough is an idiot 

How does it feel now trying to use people you dismissed as morons? 

[mesmorph78]

Good work neo...

[d0nny2600]

Lets try get this topic to 1200 pages by tomorrow. Its an interesting topic that has not been discussed before.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.

Judging cannot be extrapolated through years.  It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.

If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.

If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses.  This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.

Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.


GOD DAMN IM GOOD.

I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.

Judging cannot be extrapolated through years.  It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.

We're not talking about decades here , it's not like Dorian competed in the 1970s and Ronnie in the 1990s. We're talking one year from Dorian winning to Ronnie winning , the criteria didn't change. So yes we can extrapolate though a year and even more

If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.

Wrong , Branch never competed against Kev and Flex , Dorian competed against Ronnie.

If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses.  This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.

see above

Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.

This is why Dorian beat Flex , he meet more of all of this than Flex did.

When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

GOD DAMN IM GOOD.

No, you're not. you're good at composing a nice sentence but your original point is wrong. Yes we can extrapolate judging between Ronnie and Dorian because it hasn't changed. We can most certainly say how Ronnie would do against Dorian based on people they both competed with

Dorian in 1993 outclassed everyone including Flex , 1998 Ronnie came into his own and beat Flex barely. You're telling me somehow Ronnie 1998 would beat Dorian? ain't happening.

Lets forget using that as a gauge on how Ronnie would do against Dorian , I don't need it. All I need if the IFBB judging criteria which I always used anyway. The criteria hasn't changed , especially not from when Dorian was competing to Ronnie. Dorian simply meets more of all of it compared to Ronnie 1998 , I can show in detail why but it's been explained dozens of times.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Good work neo...

Good work at making himself look like a hypocrite that's all

He doesn't care about what Ronnie says , Ronnie is a moron according to him , now it's good work? of course it is to a fanboy like you , and you're a hypocrite as well because you were just bitching to me about the Ronnie quotes from magazines and how you wont believe them unless you see a video but you'll take these on faith as accurate and correct even though magazines get it all wrong all the time. 

Ronnie is right when he says Dorian couldn't hang with but when he said he couldn't beat Dorian, he was being humble , gracious , he was dumb , a moron , who cares about what he says , we don't even really know if he said them without video proof 

the difference between you guys and me?  I never claimed just because he said it true , I always said the only ones who matter are 12 judges everyone is just an opinion.

[Jaime]

Good work at making himself look like a hypocrite that's all

He doesn't care about what Ronnie says , Ronnie is a moron according to him , now it's good work? of course it is to a fanboy like you , and you're a hypocrite as well because you were just bitching to me about the Ronnie quotes from magazines and how you wont believe them unless you see a video but you'll take these on faith as accurate and correct even though magazines get it all wrong all the time. 

Ronnie is right when he says Dorian couldn't hang with but when he said he couldn't beat Dorian, he was being humble , gracious , he was dumb , a moron , who cares about what he says , we don't even really know if he said them without video proof 

the difference between you guys and me?  I never claimed just because he said it true , I always said the only ones who matter are 12 judges everyone is just an opinion.

Ronnie always struck me as having a touch of the downs but what he said in regards to him and Dorian is correct because of the inherent structure of the sport.

It actually mirrors what i said about the situation a few weeks ago. Send Dorian forward in time and he losses, send Ronnie back in time and he loses, it's all politics and dynasties.

Difference being that the sport progressed in regards to size and freakyness after Dorian retired and that's the direction that the powers that be pushed it in. Ronnie out Dorian's Dorian. Lets be real neither won anything due to balance and proportion most years, it was the most mass, most conditioning, most freakyness, Ronnie wins two out of the three criteria.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND won't recover. He has been owned so bad in this thread. I knew the day would come when new quotes become available that refute everything he says. I warned him for years that he shouldn't quote Ronnie b/c he isn't a reliable source, but noooooo. The idiot kept quoting him anyways as some kind of 'trump card' to overrule all the quotes from other bodybuilding experts. Now the day has come when Ronnie not only says Dorian couldn't hang with him at his prime, but also says his back was better than Dorian's and doesn't even acknowledge Dorian as the best bodybuilder he ever faced

The only one who has been owned is you. You're reduced to posting Ronnie now when you dismissed him for years

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You will never escape this kid  the difference between you and I is , I always maintained that just because Ronnie said it doesn't make it true and the only people who matter are 12 judges 

no, I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source. Then why are you trying to use him as one now? 

who gives a shit what Ronnie said? Have you ever listened to him talk? No offense to the guy, but he sounds like he's a few IQ points shy of triple digits. You do obviously , why are you trying to use him now?

[PJim]

End of the day, Ronnie only came into his own when somebody had to tell him that covering your french fries in tons of sauce pre-contest isn't going to help you come in at your best...that by default makes Dorian better 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie always struck me as having a touch of the downs but what he said in regards to him and Dorian is correct because of the inherent structure of the sport.

It actually mirrors what i said about the situation a few weeks ago. Send Dorian forward in time and he losses, send Ronnie back in time and he loses, it's all politics and dynasties.

Difference being that the sport progressed in regards to size and freakyness after Dorian retired and that's the direction that the powers that be pushed it in. Ronnie out Dorian's Dorian. Lets be real neither won anything due to balance and proportion most years, it was the most mass, most conditioning, most freakyness, Ronnie wins two out of the three criteria.

Send Dorian into the future? what a year later? it's not like they competed eons apart. the debate was always who at their best would win.

Ronnie 1998 or 2001 would not beat Dorian 1993/1995 he just.

1998 is Ronnie 1997 in fantastic conditioning oh and with bitch tits

[NarcissisticDeity]

End of the day, Ronnie only came into his own when somebody had to tell him that covering your french fries in tons of sauce pre-contest isn't going to help you come in at your best...that by default makes Dorian better 

honestly where did Ronnie improve from 97-98? conditioning. It's not like he was 225lbs in 97 and then 98 he was 250 , he already had the size , he was 255lbs in 1997 but soft , he completely dried out in 98 and won. It's not like he improved on any weaknesses or brought up muscle groups , he got lean

[PJim]

honestly where did Ronnie improve from 97-98? conditioning. It's not like he was 225lbs in 97 and then 98 he was 250 , he already had the size , he was 255lbs in 1997 but soft , he completely dried out in 98 and won. It's not like he improved on any weaknesses or brought up muscle groups , he got lean

Exactly. People can create all the fairy tales they want, but the fact of the matter is that Ronnie never brought it when he faced Dorian because he had to be spoon fed his drugs and diet.