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« on: August 22, 2012, 11:05:46 AM »

When choosing a fitness industry professional to guide your fitness goals it is important to allocate someone with the proper level of education to truly be deemed a "Certified Personal Trainer." Unfortunately, the fitness industry lacks quality control (some may argue due to the absence of one sole governing body) and there are often con-men who lack formal college (let alone post graduate) educations who make a living off tricking unsuspecting and gullible people into handing over their hard-earned money for dangerous, ill-conceived and baseless workout programs ("The Coach" from this very board is a prime example of this. He advertises his services as having attended a college he dropped out of.)

For this reason, I strongly suggest avoiding any trainers that lack the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist certification. This is because, to obtain the CSCS, one must already hold a Bachelor's degree. While I do not feel a simple Bachelor's degree in any general area of study is enough to qualify one as a true "Certified Personal Trainer," it at least eliminates the extremely unqualified candidates. Ideally, your personal trainer of choice should hold a Bachelor's and post graduate degree in Exercise Science as well as holding two to three nationally accredited certifications.
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2012, 11:07:19 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 11:07:27 AM »

"Personal trainers" oh brother
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2012, 11:07:28 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2012, 11:09:43 AM »

Degrees and Certificates to tell people not to eat potato chips and donuts  Huh Huh



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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2012, 11:13:33 AM »

When choosing a fitness industry professional to guide your fitness goals it is important to allocate someone with the proper level of education to truly be deemed a "Certified Personal Trainer." Unfortunately, the fitness industry lacks quality control (some may argue due to the absence of one sole governing body) and there are often con-men who lack formal college (let alone post graduate) educations who make a living off tricking unsuspecting and gullible people into handing over their hard-earned money for dangerous, ill-conceived and baseless workout programs ("The Coach" from this very board is a prime example of this. He advertises his services as having attended a college he dropped out of.)

For this reason, I strongly suggest avoiding any trainers that lack the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist certification. This is because, to obtain the CSCS, one must already hold a Bachelor's degree. While I do not feel a simple Bachelor's degree in any general area of study is enough to qualify one as a true "Certified Personal Trainer," it at least eliminates the extremely unqualified candidates. Ideally, your personal trainer of choice should hold a Bachelor's and post graduate degree in Exercise Science as well as holding two to three nationally accredited certifications.

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2012, 11:14:51 AM »

I was sick of this dickead after his initial post.......hope he finds a high building to jump off in the near future........like now!
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2012, 11:16:41 AM »


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I strongly suggest avoiding any trainers that lack the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist certification

So is that the only certificate you need, or are there dozens of Certified Trainer Certificates? Why this one only?  Is this for college trainers, basketball trainers, personal trainers...

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 11:19:50 AM »

When choosing a fitness industry professional to guide your fitness goals it is important to allocate someone with the proper level of education to truly be deemed a "Certified Personal Trainer." Unfortunately, the fitness industry lacks quality control (some may argue due to the absence of one sole governing body) and there are often con-men who lack formal college (let alone post graduate) educations who make a living off tricking unsuspecting and gullible people into handing over their hard-earned money for dangerous, ill-conceived and baseless workout programs ("The Coach" from this very board is a prime example of this. He advertises his services as having attended a college he dropped out of.)

For this reason, I strongly suggest avoiding any trainers that lack the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist certification. This is because, to obtain the CSCS, one must already hold a Bachelor's degree. While I do not feel a simple Bachelor's degree in any general area of study is enough to qualify one as a true "Certified Personal Trainer," it at least eliminates the extremely unqualified candidates. Ideally, your personal trainer of choice should hold a Bachelor's and post graduate degree in Exercise Science as well as holding two to three nationally accredited certifications.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 11:20:51 AM »

So ACSM is no good?
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 11:21:05 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 11:22:12 AM »

What about Vince Goodrum CSN (Certified Sports Nutritionist), MFT (Master Fitness Trainer)?

He doesn't have those initials, but I have a feeling he is just as skilled as the trainers you speak of.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2012, 11:29:37 AM »

Your on the wrong board to drum up business, do you really think any one here hires a trainer??? Lol
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2012, 11:32:09 AM »

Your on the wrong board to drum up business, do you really think any one here hires a trainer??? Lol

I hope you're not insinuating this clown is a "trainer" are you??
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2012, 11:55:27 AM »

He's an unemployed lactation consultant....that's kind of a trainer...
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2012, 11:57:07 AM »

Degrees and Certificates to tell people not to eat potato chips and donuts  Huh Huh





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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2012, 12:07:32 PM »

I already exposed you as a fitness industry scam artist and sent you running away with your proverbial tail between your legs, Joe. Do we really need to go through the entire discussion (again) regarding the issue of using a college you dropped out of as an academic credential to garner business?

I suggest you go back to counting reps at the seated shoulder press at L.A. fitness - if you are even qualified to do that - before a major lawsuit comes your way.

Are you really that fucking stupid to think even if I finished my degree 28 years ago it would have any impact today? really? are you THAT fucking stupid?? The ONLY reason why I would get a CSCS (which I passed) would be a team S&C coach at the College or Pro level even then the CSCS is starting to diminish in credibility. You really need to do some research.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2012, 12:30:49 PM »

Are you really that fucking stupid to think even if I finished my degree 28 years ago it would have any impact today? really? are you THAT fucking stupid?? The ONLY reason why I would get a CSCS (which I passed) would be a team S&C coach at the College or Pro level even then the CSCS is starting to diminish in credibility. You really need to do some research.

How predictable that a man (and I use the term loosely, your diminutive stature and anabolic steroid abuse induced hypogonadism is indicative of the contrary) whose highest level of education is the public high school system resorts to name calling and expletives when confronted with a superior.

Regardless of passage of time, the bottom line remains: you publicly advertise your qualification to do a job with false credentials.
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2012, 12:42:38 PM »

How predictable that a man (and I use the term loosely, your diminutive stature and anabolic steroid abuse induced hypogonadism is indicative of the contrary) whose highest level of education is the public high school system resorts to name calling and expletives when confronted with a superior.

Regardless of passage of time, the bottom line remains: you publicly advertise your qualification to do a job with false credentials.

I love playing along with this idiot because i know certain people that don't post but lurk which is why I love talking training on here. BTW, way to answer the question, avoid it like liberals avoid the issues, haha. ANYWAY.....

1. How many college recruits did you have this year?

2. How many first round, first pick MLB players are you training for the 2013 draft (since he was a freshman) again?

3. How many of your athletes are in the NFL?

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2012, 12:58:12 PM »

I love playing along with this idiot because i know certain people that don't post but lurk which is why I love talking training on here. BTW, way to answer the question, avoid it like liberals avoid the issues, haha. ANYWAY.....

1. How many college recruits did you have this year?

2. How many first round, first pick MLB players are you training for the 2013 draft (since he was a freshman) again?

3. How many of your athletes are in the NFL?

Waiting. Hahaha

I am not crass enough to give specific details about my clients. Most high-end clientele expect and appreciate a level of privacy when involved  in a very intensive and holistic training program. Suffice to say, given my two post graduate degrees in fitness and nutrition related fields, my extensive list of prestigious certifications - only the top 1 percent of the population has the opportunity to utilize my services.

The difference between you and I, Joe, is that when a client comes in for an initial consultation, he or she will enter my office and see 2 Masters degrees and 3 prestigious certifications (two of which require college educations to even obtain) framed and hanging on the wall behind my desk, I will be wearing a suit and tie and the client can rest assured that he or she is about to receive the very best personal training that money can buy. When a client enters your gym (do you even have an office?) he or she is confronted with a "man" in tattered gym clothes trying to hock online certification based training under the guise of false credentials.

Besides - if you really want to discuss client specifics - and since you seem crass enough to disclose personal information about your clientele; are your MMA clients aware that most of the pro MMA fighters that have worked with you lost a majority of their bouts while you handled their training? Are your clients aware that the man they are handing their credit card over to earned his education with online tests? Do you inform them that you were not intelligent enough to handle a basic undergraduate program before collecting their cash?
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2012, 01:00:52 PM »

The difference between you and I, Joe, is that when a client comes in for an initial consultation, he or she will enter my office and see 2 Masters degrees and 3 prestigious certifications (two of which require college educations to even obtain) framed and hanging on the wall behind my desk, I will be wearing a suit and tie and the client can rest assured that he or she is about to receive the very best personal training that money can buy.

Which means jack shit in terms of PT.   I've seen guys at small start up warehouse gyms who are 10x the trainers at places like Equinox and the like.

Ooooh a suit and tie..... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2012, 01:07:57 PM »

I am not crass enough to give specific details about my clients. Most high-end clientele expect and appreciate a level of privacy when involved  in a very intensive and holistic training program. Suffice to say, given my two post graduate degrees in fitness and nutrition related fields, my extensive list of prestigious certifications - only the top 1 percent of the population has the opportunity to utilize my services.

The difference between you and I, Joe, is that when a client comes in for an initial consultation, he or she will enter my office and see 2 Masters degrees and 3 prestigious certifications (two of which require college educations to even obtain) framed and hanging on the wall behind my desk, I will be wearing a suit and tie and the client can rest assured that he or she is about to receive the very best personal training that money can buy. When a client enters your gym (do you even have an office?) he or she is confronted with a "man" in tattered gym clothes trying to hock online certification based training under the guise of false credentials.

Besides - if you really want to discuss client specifics - and since you seem crass enough to disclose personal information about your clientele; are your MMA clients aware that most of the pro MMA fighters that have worked with you lost a majority of their bouts while you handled their training? Are your clients aware that the man they are handing their credit card over to earned his education with online tests? Do you inform them that you were not intelligent enough to handle a basic undergraduate program before collecting their cash?

Haha, I didn't mention any names did it? Btw, since you're so good I suppose you have a website, what was it again?
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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2012, 01:10:07 PM »

Haha, I didn't mention any names did it? Btw, since you're so good I suppose you have a website, what was it again?

It is of no concern to you as we are not hiring. However, when we have an opening in the janitorial staff I will be sure to contact you.
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2012, 01:10:33 PM »

If you're training people to sell insurance...a suit and tie  is agood idea.  Training athletes...not so much.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2012, 01:18:24 PM »

When choosing a fitness industry professional to guide your fitness goals it is important to allocate someone with the proper level of education to truly be deemed a "Certified Personal Trainer." Unfortunately, the fitness industry lacks quality control (some may argue due to the absence of one sole governing body) and there are often con-men who lack formal college (let alone post graduate) educations who make a living off tricking unsuspecting and gullible people into handing over their hard-earned money for dangerous, ill-conceived and baseless workout programs ("The Coach" from this very board is a prime example of this. He advertises his services as having attended a college he dropped out of.)

For this reason, I strongly suggest avoiding any trainers that lack the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist certification. This is because, to obtain the CSCS, one must already hold a Bachelor's degree. While I do not feel a simple Bachelor's degree in any general area of study is enough to qualify one as a true "Certified Personal Trainer," it at least eliminates the extremely unqualified candidates. Ideally, your personal trainer of choice should hold a Bachelor's and post graduate degree in Exercise Science as well as holding two to three nationally accredited certifications.



Many things wrong with this post... First off, I have my degree in exercise science and am ACSM certified, and even I don't agree with this. One should know the difference in certification exams, certainly a NASM or ACSM certified trainer is more knowledgeable than an "easy certification" like ACE, etc. These exams require knowledge on ex. phys, anatomy and physiology, nutrition, etc. especially ACSM. However as far as a personal trainer goes, these bachelor required exams [NASM CSCS and ACSM CEP] are for people working with special demographics, ie high level elite athletes (CSCS) or moderate to severely compromised/diseased populations (CEP). They are of almost no use to personal trainers helping able-bodied people lose weight and increase fitness. That's like saying you need a BA in Chemistry to bake a cake.

A well rounded personal trainer with the body to prove it is usually all people need. The entire personal training system is essentially more therapy and lifestyle coaching than actual training. 2 hours with a personal trainer out of 168 hour week is essentially irrelevant as far as calorie burning goes, but what you can learn in the 2 hours is more significant. So understanding the physiological actions of actin-myosin proteins in the muscle and changes to muscle fiber types in a periodization seasoned protocol is fucking pointless.

And 2-3 certifications? That's pointless as fuck as well, and proves you know nothing about the field you're speaking of. 2-3 certifications just means 2-3 more fees you pay, nothing else.

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