Jose Raymond Living the Dream - This makes me want to quit bodybuilding

[dr.chimps]

Bay likey! 

I'd wager that a canister of Play-Doh could out-think this fella.  

[BayGBM]

I'd wager that a canister of Play-Doh could out-think this fella.  

Not a problem. I can think for both of us.  I'll defer to him when it comes to training and diet  though. 

[The Abdominal Snoman]

gud for u mate.keep posting on bodybuilding web site 24/7 without any emotional attachment.oh sorry u have emotional attachment towards bodybuilders just negative one.this drug talk is high school kid talk.r u in high school.

Rajkapoor, is Jose poor? Hi Mr. Raymond

[POB]

In Better times at his foreclosed home

 :Dlol,that's cold blooded! Is that the dog he still has? Or did dream killer take that too?.

[Rajkapoor]

Rajkapoor, is Jose poor? Hi Mr. Raymond

thanks for answering my question kido...hope u not a drop out one.

[delon]

100% drug free Jr USA contestant vs. steroid-using 3 time Mr Olympia. Impressive indeed...

[Howard]

Saying it twice still doesn't make it any more believable.
Either show a photo of you when on a cycle as opposed to you being off.
It should be easy shouldn't it?
You should be around 10% up on bodyweight and condition on as opposed to off.
I wont hold my breath though.

I posted the truth and posted a pic. If you don't believe me , fine.
I was "DECENT" , but  nothing great as a bodybuilder.
I'm amazed anyone would think drugs were REQUIRED to develop my physique.

[Howard]

100% drug free Jr USA contestant vs. steroid-using 3 time Mr Olympia. Impressive indeed...

Thanks so much for the kind words , but I was light years behind a 3 time Mr O.

[Howard]

well written. why do be people care if he dont have a ferrari and a big ass house, if this is what he want to do with his life then its up to him. He seems to enjoy  this lifestyle so more power to him

Exactly! I don't think any bodybuilder looks at going pro as a means to make the most money$$$ possible in their life.
Being able to live life on your own terms, with your own values ,is a happy life.

[MB]

I don't see why Jose didn't leave the Northeast for a cheaper part of the country a long time ago.  It's not like he's tied down to a job there.  Why not go somewhere where he can afford a "normal" living situation.

[Kahn.N.Singh]

Being able to live life on your own terms, with your own values, is a happy life.

Crazy Niki, an independent small business entrepreneur, agrees, and gives you a thumbs up.

[snx]

Bay likey! 

...even though he welches on his debts? You intrigue me. You seem to value this quality (i.e. devotion to repayment of debt) in people you converse with on the board. I guess you look the other way for a pretty face!

Et tu, brute?

[Bevo]

I don't see why Jose didn't leave the Northeast for a cheaper part of the country a long time ago.  It's not like he's tied down to a job there.  Why not go somewhere where he can afford a "normal" living situation.

Yeah like "California" with his brother Tito...

[MB]

Yeah like "California" with his brother Tito...

He has a work from home job, I'm thinking rural Alabama, Oklahoma, North Dakota, etc.  He'd have more to his name than 1 fork, 1 spoon, a shaker bottle and a dog.     

[G_Thang]

Yeah like "California" with his brother Tito...

aside from the bullshit chaos, alex23 and bay post, you can live on the cheap in california.

this dude was trying to live phil heath's lifestyle on a 212 budget because of that woman, in which that gets guys all the time.

no house to put over her head and she's on the road for the next sugga daddy.

[Bevo]

Exactly! I don't think any bodybuilder looks at going pro as a means to make the most money$$$ possible in their life.
Being able to live life on your own terms, with your own values ,is a happy life.

Being "happy" like these guys make it is just a justification for their other failures and short comings in life... You buy into it when people say that?? GTFO

Bet you Jose is NOT happy, guy is most likely in denial of himself and definitely has some screws loose in his head (thats the majority of bbers for ya)

[Bevo]

aside from the bullshit chaos, alex23 and bay post, you can live on the cheap in california.

this dude was trying to live phil heath's lifestyle on a 212 budget because of that woman, in which that gets guys all the time.

no house to put over her head and she's on the road for the next sugga daddy.

Yeah thats true, I was born and raised most of my life in socal his brother Tito seems like the one with more brains and sense, guy decided it wasnt a smart investment, does personal training in Venice got married, kids and turned the other way... Nice guy too

[Parker]

A shallow man meets a shallow woman, and said shallow takes him for all he has. Anyone surprised?

[njflex]

HOWIE question even with not wanting to compete or take drug's anymore ,why not try to maintain that build or close to it..you looked great man,,,how long or age did u keep it up till or yr?

[Kahn.N.Singh]

A shallow man meets a shallow woman, and said shallow takes him for all he has. Anyone surprised?

Nope.

Here's a biological concept applied to the social world: Assortative mating, i.e., like attracts like.

[Howard]

Being "happy" like these guys make it is just a justification for their other failures and short comings in life... You buy into it when people say that?? GTFO

Bet you Jose is NOT happy, guy is most likely in denial of himself and definitely has some screws loose in his head (thats the majority of bbers for ya)

Excellent points here. I think anyone should pursue their dream if they have a genuine passion.
I am bit confused why many claim they can't work a "normal job" and still be a  bodybuilder??
Ronnie was Mr Olympia 2 or 3 times over and still worked as a full time cop.
Arnold and Franco did all kinds of things to be a success outside the gym.

New pro, Kulco is still a full time fireman.

[Howard]

being a cop is not a real job

Really? 

The point is they could all have a stable income from a regular job and still be great bodybuilders.
If you make it big and cash in like Jay, you can quit your 9  t 5, but until then...

[Howard]

HOWIE question even with not wanting to compete or take drug's anymore ,why not try to maintain that build or close to it..you looked great man,,,how long or age did u keep it up till or yr?

LOL, to maintain that level of bodyfat and abs would require full time diet and I enjoy a good meal too much hahaha.
To look like I did in the red trunks (Zane pose), required a very rigid diet and tunnel vision for 3-4 mos.
BUT, thanks for the positive words and I think the solution is to compete once a yr ( again).
By Nov , by achilles will be fully recovered and I can train 100% again.
If I ease into it right , I can maintain a decent, 16 week contest prep schedule and not quit.
They key for me is to look at it as a part time, once a year thing, NOT full time.
I would like to compete again next June , do a couple regional shows and call it a day for another year.

[JoeBelushi88]

Bodybuilding is a full time job

[Howard]

Bodybuilding is a full time job

It doesn't have to be. You do realize that many champs have held jobs outside bodybuilding and won the big shows.