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« on: October 26, 2012, 08:58:29 AM »

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
 Fox News ^ | October 26, 2012 | Jennifer Griffin

Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 11:37:22 AM by Snuph

Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11. Former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were part of a small team who were at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When they heard the shots fired, they radioed to inform their higher-ups to tell them what they were hearing. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to "stand down."


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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 09:29:57 AM »

Slyy will want more proof Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2012, 09:58:21 AM »

There needs to be a full INDENDENT investigation into this attack. 

I'm just not sure the white house running its own investigation is a good idea.
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 10:39:49 AM »



AC-130U Gunship was On-Scene in Benghazi, Obama Admin Refused to Let It Fire





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If you don’t get torches-and-pitchforks irate about this, you are not an American:
 

The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

 


There were two AC-130Us deployed to Libya in March as part of Operation Unified Protector.
 
The AC-130U is a very effective third-generation fire-support aircraft, capable of continuous and extremely accurate fire onto multiple targets. It has been used numerous times in Iraq and Afghanistan to save pinned-down allied forces, and has even been credited with the surrender of the Taliban city of Konduz
 
It was purpose-built for a select number of specific mission types, including point-defense against enemy attack. It was literally built for the kind of mission it could have engaged in over Benghazi, if the Administration had let it fire. As the except above clearly shows, we had assets on the ground “painting” the targets with the laser.
 
An AC-130U flies in a counter-clockwise “pivot turn” around the target, with the weapons all aimed out the left side of the aircraft.
 
There are two state-of-the-art fire-control systems (FCSs) in a AC-130U, using television sensors,infrared sensors and synthetic aperture strike radar. These fire control systems can see through the dark of night, clouds, and smoke.
 
The two FCSs on the AC-130U control a 25mm gatling gun for area suppression, a precision 40mm cannon, and a 105mm cannon which can engage hard targets.
 
What this means is that we have the forces in the air and on the ground to have stopped the attack at any point, eliminating the terrorists, and saving American lives.
 
Update (Bryan): Here is an AC-130 engaging in a live fire exercise. The crackling sound you hear is its extreme rate of fire.
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 10:54:21 AM »

The handling of the actual event was deplorable and incompetent but the handling of the aftermath was even worse.

No one in this Admin. can tell a straight story or give a coherent timeline of events. The lies and odd behavior towards the parents of the two dead hero's and such was even worse.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 11:03:56 AM »

Benghazigate: We Know Now Who Gave the Order Not to Protect the Consulate
 Front Page Magazine ^ | October 26, 2012 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 2:03:03 PM by Cincinatus' Wife

Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, said in an interview, “And apparently even the State Department had a live stream and was aware of their calls for help. This was my son, he wasn’t even there. He was at a safe house about a mile away. He got the distress call. He heard them crying for help. That’s why he and Glenn risked their lives to go that extra mile just to take care of the situation. And I’m sure that she wasn’t the only one that received that distress call: “Come save our lives.”

When I heard that there’s a very good chance that the White House as well as other members of the military knew what was going on, and obviously someone had to say, “Don’t go rescue them.” Because every person in the military, their first response is, “We’re going to go rescue them.” We need to find out who it was that gave that command.”

So who gave that command?

>>>Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that three urgent requests from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. Consulate and subsequent attack nearly seven hours later were denied by officials in the CIA chain of command — who also told the CIA operators to “stand down” rather than help the ambassador’s team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

Former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were part of a small team who were at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. Consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When they heard the shots fired, they radioed to inform their higher-ups to tell them what they were hearing. They were told to “stand down,” according to sources familiar with the exchange. An hour later, they called again to headquarters and were again told to “stand down.”

Woods, Doherty and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the Consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The quick reaction force from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the Consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours — enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.<<<

Now we know who is taking responsibility for denying support to the consulate and the safe house.

The photo, which is the official one put out by DOD, from the press conference held by Panetta and General Dempsey is horribly eloquent in terms of body language.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta defended the failure to go in by claiming that the issue was a lack of reliable intel, despite the fact that they had multiple distress calls and a drone overhead.

Blaming a lack of reliable intel is fine if you want to pull away from intervening in Syria, but not when a US diplomatic facility and its personnel are under sustained attack. And how much intel was really needed to send two jets to buzz the area and possibly scare off some of the attackers, who would not have posed any threat to the aircraft?

>>>Although forces were on alert and ready to launch an operation if needed, the US military commander for Africa, General Carter Ham, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, and Panetta all decided against any intervention as they had no clear picture of events unfolding in Benghazi, he said.<<<

So the buck has been passed to Panetta and Dempsey and Ham. Dempsey is a soulless administration toady and Ham is deeply invested in Libya. Panetta is a Clintonite who is completely expendable, especially if the charges get pinned to Hillary. But Panetta still seems filled with self-loathing and Dempsey looks disgusted with him.

Not doing something because there is no intel is a common excuse in these circles when they don’t want to do something. Just as with Iran, there would never have been enough intel.

And how much intel was needed really? Benghazi had an extended profile and was the cause of the entire Libyan war. The consulate had an extensive intelligence apparatus and the declassified cables we’ve seen are a fraction of the actual classified cables that would have been at Panetta, Dempsey and Ham’s disposal.

They knew about the Islamist militias and had descriptions of their armament from the RSO’s reports. They didn’t know the exact number of attackers or every single possible detail, but you can never really know everything before going in.

>>> “There’s a basic principle here, and the basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on, without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told a news conference.<<<

But there were already forces in harm’s way, who were trying to provide some real time intel from their point of view. What Panetta means is that the decision was made not to send aid to them, and it wasn’t about risking more lives, but about the politics of intervening in Libya and offending the Libyans. It was done for the same reason that US soldiers have at times been abandoned without air support in Afghanistan.

“I feel confident that our forces were alert and responsive to what was a very fluid situation,” General Dempsey said, which is one of those strange statements that leaders issue after a complete screw up.

The full transcript of the conference was fairly well hidden on the site, but turned up here, it shows the full exchanges.

>>>Q: Can I follow up on that? One of the reasons we’ve heard that there wasn’t a more robust response right away is that there wasn’t a clear intelligence picture over Benghazi, to give you the idea of where to put what forces.

But when there was, in fact, a drone over the CIA annex and there were intelligence officials fighting inside the annex, I guess the big question is, with those two combined assets, why there wasn’t a clear intelligence picture that would have given you what you needed to make some moves, for instance, flying, you know, F-16s over the area to disperse fighters or — or dropping more special forces in.

SEC. PANETTA: You know, let me — let me speak to that, because I’m sure there’s going to be — there’s a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.

We — we quickly responded, as General Dempsey said, in terms of deploying forces to the region. We had FAST platoons in the region. We had ships that we had deployed off of Libya. And we were prepared to respond to any contingency and certainly had forces in place to do that.

But — but the basic principle here — basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place. And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, General Ham, General Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.

Q: So the drone, then, and the forces inside the annex weren’t giving enough of a clear picture is what you’re saying.

SEC. PANETTA: This — this happened within a few hours and it was really over before, you know, we had the opportunity to really know what was happening.<<<
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 11:06:20 AM »

Dempsey is a soulless administration toady

33, can you post an article citing exact responsibility without calling someone a "soulless administration toady".

I agree completely this shit is disgusting and we need an independent investigation - but your article calling someone a toady who lacks a soul... makes it seem less than credible.
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 11:16:09 AM »

Criminal.  I'm sure Obama is trying to run out the clock on this one.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 11:17:26 AM »

Criminal.  I'm sure Obama is trying to run out the clock on this one.

Obama better pray he loses.  Otherwise - his second term will be completely occupied w this and him impeached or hopefully in jail for life. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 11:24:27 AM »

Obama better pray he loses.  Otherwise - his second term will be completely occupied w this and him impeached or hopefully in jail for life. 

That's a good point.  They scheduled Senate hearings to begin after the election.  It's going to get ugly. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 11:25:28 AM »

In cases like this you need a free, independent media to go after the story and work to expose the truth.  Do we have that today?  Or do we have an amen corner that largely wants to provide cover for their candidate?
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 02:35:47 PM »

Benghazigate: We Know Now Who Gave the Order Not to Protect the Consulate
 Front Page Magazine ^ | October 26, 2012 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 2:03:03 PM by Cincinatus' Wife

Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, said in an interview, “And apparently even the State Department had a live stream and was aware of their calls for help. This was my son, he wasn’t even there. He was at a safe house about a mile away. He got the distress call. He heard them crying for help. That’s why he and Glenn risked their lives to go that extra mile just to take care of the situation. And I’m sure that she wasn’t the only one that received that distress call: “Come save our lives.”

When I heard that there’s a very good chance that the White House as well as other members of the military knew what was going on, and obviously someone had to say, “Don’t go rescue them.” Because every person in the military, their first response is, “We’re going to go rescue them.” We need to find out who it was that gave that command.”



Did you actually HEAR the interview?

Heartbreaking...
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 02:41:30 PM »

Did you actually HEAR the interview?

Heartbreaking...
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Where did you hear it
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2012, 02:55:54 PM »

Did you actually HEAR the interview?

Heartbreaking...
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Yes. 

The families of these dead americans have been used like toilet paper for obama and his lies. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2012, 03:13:35 PM »

Slyy will want more proof Roll Eyes



Coach,

You state as fact the following extremely serious allegations:


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Obama all but pulled the trigger himself in that attack.


2.
Would every candidate set someone up to get killed?





Do you have any credible sources based on fact that assert the allegations you claim above?

How can I have proof of my own personal thoughts and observations?


No...no you don't.  Just making things up again...   Kiss
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2012, 03:14:05 PM »

REPORTER: OBAMA WOULD NOT ANSWER ‘REPEATED QUESTIONS (today on Benghazi treason)
 The Blaze ^ | October26,2012 | Jason Howerton

Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 6:10:44 PM by penelopesire

President Barack Obama reportedly refused to provide a direct answer to repeated questions on whether requests for help in Benghazi were denied as the attack was underway during an interview with 9News in Denver on Friday.

Kyle Clark, a reporter with 9News, posted the following message on Twitter:

Kyle Clark@KyleClark .@BarackObama would not directly answer our repeated questions on whether requests for help in Benghazi were denied #copolitics 26 Oct 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite As soon as the video is edited, Clark tweeted, the footage will be posted online. We will update this story accordingly.

Colo Peak Politics@COpeakpolitics 26 Oct 12 BREAKING: Local Reporter Says Obama Refuses To Answer Whether Or Not He Was Aware Of Security Request In Benghazi bit.ly/RS25Zx #tcot Kyle Clark@KyleClark @COpeakpolitics To clarify, our question was whether requests DURING the attack were denied. Full writeup/video coming 26 Oct 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite Earlier today, ABC’s Jake Tapper tweeted that a CIA spokesperson said “No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate.”

Jake Tapper ✔ @jaketapper CIA spox: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ” 26 Oct 12 ReplyRetweetFavorite However, “no one at any level in the CIA” does not cover the entire Obama administration. Check back for updates to this story









Oh boy!   CIA not rolling over for Obama on this.  i sense a Fredo moment coming soon for Obama.    
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2012, 03:17:16 PM »

Where did you hear it

http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/talk/charliesykes/175997671.html

Probably about 17 min in
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2012, 03:18:30 PM »

Start listening at 17:45
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2012, 03:20:55 PM »

Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus
 Weekly Standard ^ | 6:05 PM, OCT 26, 2012 | WILLIAM KRISTOL

Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 6:20:35 PM by Snuph

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need? Someone decided not to send in military assets to help those Agency operators. Would the secretary of defense make such a decision on his own? No.

It would have been a presidential decision. There was presumably a rationale for such a decision. What was it? When and why—and based on whose counsel obtained in what meetings or conversations—did President Obama decide against sending in military assets to help the Americans in need?


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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2012, 03:22:15 PM »

17:45 leads into it.  It begins @ 20:
http://www.620wtmj.com/podcasts/talk/charliesykes/175997671.html
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2012, 03:31:02 PM »


Yes. 

The families of these dead americans have been used like toilet paper for obama and his lies. 

Sorry, I missed the cue ball thread ...
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2012, 03:53:07 PM »

This is some serious shit. This administration lied is ass off to cover this up, heads better roll
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2012, 04:00:24 PM »

Let's see if the media actually does its job.  Only thing that concerns me is this could fall off the radar before the election if the UE rate drops next week. 
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2012, 04:17:00 PM »

Let's see if the media actually does its job.  Only thing that concerns me is this could fall off the radar before the election if the UE rate drops next week. 

Yes because a drop in UE, due to seasonal demands is much more important than letting people die
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2012, 05:05:16 PM »

Sickening.
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