if capitalism worked, everyone should be rich by now

[Nails]

Good to see the Coach back in action

[Roger Bacon]

Taking human nature into consideration.  Capitalism will never result in everyone being financially successful.

Everyone isn't even successful in school, athletics, etc...  How can everyone be successful financially?

[Wiggs]

No.. Did not misunderstand him.  We have had that conversation before.. He basically gets money from
Government  and works very little.. He does side jobs ect and still has all the latest gadgets.. He came here and tried to work for a buddy of mine who needed himat 5 am.. He thought that was ridiculous.. He wanted to work for me at my gym.. I told hi. He could open the gym at 5 30 am.. He asked why so early.? I told him people get Up and workout before their jobs.. He said gyms in the uk did not open that early and said we were crazy ect.. Now before you think that he was particular case I have heard this from my cousins in Scotland too..
 Now I am not saying you are wrong I regard to health of USA.. I do think we are silly in many regards.. My job is now making us work on thanksgiving this year among other holidays to get a "better share of the market".. And sadly most people will not be able to retire and will work their whole lives..
 
   Now that being said look at Greece and others who's people are actually rioting because they cant afford to let people retire I their 50s.. And most of the rioters are not even working yet lol.. Socialism doesnot work well after a while either.. The gov just can't afford it.. So nothing is perfect but I would rather make my own way than be too much further indentured to the gov..

What I'm about to say I don't believe in, I'm just saying it because it's true and I know that it's part of the ultimate plan.  Socialism works when everyone is doing it...i.e. one world currency, one world government.  There is no debt...well for the government there isn't.

[Nails]

you guys think this Stud voted for Obama 

[a_ahmed]

You seem to be a very well informed man Mr. Ahmed. keep it up.


What's your background Ahmed?....No homo-land security.
Aren't you the white Arab?  What's your educational background?

lmao I am not Arab I'm white european rest is confidential

[Coach is Back!]

coming from a guy who believes obama is a communist from kenya.

 

thanks for your shit contribution and breaking you promise, i remember a recent declaration "a word is a word".

1. He is.

2. As long as I don't break promises in real life, I'm good. This isn't real life.

[Coach is Back!]

Good to see the Coach back in action

Thanks, It's been along time since I've been on, something like a year. But I'm back

[a_ahmed]

My wife and I were cracking up about this LMAO:

[LATS]

I agree wiggs.. The issue becomes which country is actually footing the bill for the others.. In a perfect world on paper it sounds good.. But real world, which I hate to say many extreme liberals have a hard time with, is much different..Some countries will bring absolutely nothing to the game yet reap rewards..

Ahmed, unfortunately that person and hundreds of thousands like her voted.. Based on a phone or something else petty.. There should be a testing process of the issues at hand before you can vote.. Don't know the issues no voting.. But then again many don't want that.. oh yeah, that is why capitalism does not work for . Well... Everyone..lol

[Nails]

Thanks, It's been along time since I've been on, something like a year. But I'm back

Shit hasnt been the same since tuesday coach , Even Ron has been gone taking care of his finances

Well.. another 4 years of tough economic times and most interesting politics ahead for the United States.  And since the Republican's still control the House, the president will need to actually work with them, and vice versa.  Let's see where it goes.

It California, where I am, they passed Proposition 30, which raises taxes for those who earn more than $250,000 by 1%, then 2% for those over $350, and 3% for those over $500K (or something like that).  So basically, some of the high rollers in California might just find another place to move if needed, or if they feel like they may get a ton of money (hence, why some people are selling this year, aka George Lucas and others).  Otherwise, you may pay a ton more in taxes.

Oh, and of course, the porn law - which requires actors to wear condoms in movie if filmed in LA County. Stupid.  I guess this billion dollar industry will move 20 miles away to Ventura County now.

[Wiggs]

Everyone isn't even successful in school, athletics, etc...  How can everyone be successful financially?

Well, the system is supposed to be set up so that all capable men and women can earn a living and support a family.  You used to be able to do that with just the father working. Now, depending on where you live and perhaps other factors, you need two parents to be able to do it an maintain the life style you had then.  In addition, you both will be working so hard to maintain that (we're not talk about exceptions to the rule) standard of living, raising children will become a hobby cause that's just about enough time you'll have.  And you'll both will be so tired and grumpy you won't even enjoy each other.


This is fucking madness!  Do you really believe that's what you we're put here to do is be a corporate puppet?  Then people create these sub-groups that keep each other in check..."Better not do anything outta the norm Bob. You wouldn't wanna be considered one of "those guys".  This goes for religions, fraternities, sororities, militarism,  gangs, sports and other entities where group think is encouraged and any other behavior is frowned upon.

Critical thinking is a lost art.  We are raised NOT TO CRITICALLY THINK but to follow orders and memorize shit.  Not conceptualize and dream and to come up with better way to do things.  It's frightening because we have the ability to do so much more and no one would have to starve, or die from war and so many sicknesses could be cured and technologies created to make the earth a better earth.

But no. Greed.  Shelter, food and sex is what it comes down to.  Fucking pathetic. spit'.....

[Coach is Back!]

think about it, a lifetime of working should generate enough income to put some spare money aside.

then you die and the children inherit whats left.

get the idea?

Thats how it works now or did I miss something?

everyone should have plenty of money by now, how comes it isnt so?

Define "plenty of money"

its not the case in the western world, and it certainly is not the case in the so called shitholes aka 3rd world countries.

the majority of people are permanently broke-kint and live from paycheck to paycheck.

If you're broke and living from paycheck to paycheck, it's usually because you don't make enough to pay for excessive debt.

so, where is the problem?

The problem is people have too much debt. Credit cards, personal loans, car loans, etc. In other words, they spend more than they take in.....like our government. Our debt outweighs or GDP at present.

[Coach is Back!]

As long as people purchase on impulse instead of thinking things through and budgeting, this problem will always exist.

[Coach is Back!]

thats much better coach, and welcome back btw

seems like the system isnt too bad, but the people and their greed and feeling of entitlement makes it a bit of a problem.

Thanks.

Our country is changing for the worse, no doubt about that. Obama is trying to turn this country into something that has NEVER worked. In all honesty the people who voted him back in, I don't seriously think they understand the consequences of their actions. We live in a "what can you do for NOW" society without either thinking about or caring how this is going to absolutely DEVASTATE our kids. 

[a_ahmed]

I don't know why Americans are so slow and stupid sometimes.

Obama is not changing or doing anything. You realize he is just a face person, an actor, a puppet.

The US has been heading in the same direction regardless of who the puppet is. Period.

It's going to be more wars, more draconian laws, more suppression, more rich getting richer and poor getting poorer, it's just by design as it is. Dickheads are in power and it is not because 'obama', he just gets a big fat paycheque and reads prewritten scripts. That's all his 'job' is.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

thats much better coach, and welcome back btw

seems like the system isnt too bad, but the people and their greed and feeling of entitlement makes it a bit of a problem.

Its education. A lot of kids getting out of high school in America don't know how to balance a check book. Hell most don't even have one. They have an ATM card and let the bank balance it.

[Coach is Back!]

I don't know why Americans are so slow and stupid sometimes.

Obama is not changing or doing anything. You realize he is just a face person, an actor, a puppet.

The US has been heading in the same direction regardless of who the puppet is. Period.

It's going to be more wars, more draconian laws, more suppression, more rich getting richer and poor getting poorer, it's just by design as it is. Dickheads are in power and it is not because 'obama', he just gets a big fat paycheque and reads prewritten scripts. That's all his 'job' is.

So all of the economic numbers in the last four years are fake? 

[_bruce_]

Thanks.

Our country is changing for the worse, no doubt about that. Obama is trying to turn this country into something that has NEVER worked. In all honesty the people who voted him back in, I don't seriously think they understand the consequences of their actions. We live in a "what can you do for NOW" society without either thinking about or caring how this is going to absolutely DEVASTATE our kids. 

I totally dislike him, but he's a mere puppet and not a driving force for what's going on or better not going on.
Think about it in a positive way - the whole thing will collapse and the smug freedom fighter's taking the blame. If the conservatives, and I'm using this term loosely here, thought that a Mitt Romney was a valid candidate they're out of their mind and need to reenter their ship of delusion and repopulate England.

[dr.chimps]

So all of the economic numbers in the last four years are fake? 

Actually, they've been anemic, as would be found in any stifled economy, but they're not fake. You need to let go of your looniness, Coach. Free yourself.

[Roger Bacon]

Well, the system is supposed to be set up so that all capable men and women can earn a living and support a family.  You used to be able to do that with just the father working. Now, depending on where you live and perhaps other factors, you need two parents to be able to do it an maintain the life style you had then.  In addition, you both will be working so hard to maintain that (we're not talk about exceptions to the rule) standard of living, raising children will become a hobby cause that's just about enough time you'll have.  And you'll both will be so tired and grumpy you won't even enjoy each other.


This is fucking madness!  Do you really believe that's what you we're put here to do is be a corporate puppet?  Then people create these sub-groups that keep each other in check..."Better not do anything outta the norm Bob. You wouldn't wanna be considered one of "those guys".  This goes for religions, fraternities, sororities, militarism,  gangs, sports and other entities where group think is encouraged and any other behavior is frowned upon.

Critical thinking is a lost art.  We are raised NOT TO CRITICALLY THINK but to follow orders and memorize shit.  Not conceptualize and dream and to come up with better way to do things.  It's frightening because we have the ability to do so much more and no one would have to starve, or die from war and so many sicknesses could be cured and technologies created to make the earth a better earth.

But no. Greed.  Shelter, food and sex is what it comes down to.  Fucking pathetic. spit'.....

I see what you're saying about the price of living going up. 

As for the rest, people that will accept that corporate puppet lifestyle (like the movie office space) kind of deserve it.  I mean if they'll put up with it, so be it.

No one is forcing them

[Coach is Back!]

I totally dislike him, but he's a mere puppet and not a driving force for what's going on or better not going on.
Think about it in a positive way - the whole thing will collapse and the smug freedom fighter's taking the blame. If the conservatives, and I'm using this term loosely here, thought that a Mitt Romney was a valid candidate they're out of their mind and need to reenter their ship of delusion and repopulate England.

I sincerely like Romney. His family values, his charitable giving and I really do think he actually cares about people. Someone said today that we not had a more charitable candidate than Romney, ever. Being someone who knows business, and I mean he REALLY knows business, could have turned this country around, economically fairly quick. In this situation we're in, we need someone with big business experience. Like I said a long time ago, my business is small but I took the precautions to "Obama proof" myself for the future. Yesterday I actually hired a business coach to help us grow to double of what we are now within a year.

[Coach is Back!]

Anyone remember when people were embarrassed to say they were on unemployment or government assistance? That was back when people knew what it was like to work for something or start a business that THEY built.

[dr.chimps]

I sincerely like Romney. His family values, his charitable giving and I really do think he actually cares about people. Someone said today that we not had a more charitable candidate than Romney, ever. Being someone who knows business, and I mean he REALLY knows business, could have turned this country around, economically fairly quick. In this situation we're in, we need someone with big business experience. Like I said a long time ago, my business is small but I took the precautions to "Obama proof" myself for the future. Yesterday I actually hired a business coach to help us grow to double of what we are now within a year.

Yes. Because business success = moral superiority. You are such a hypocrite I can't believe your tongue doesn't go running down the hall in shame.   

[a_ahmed]

So all of the economic numbers in the last four years are fake? 

You're more naive than I thought... I hope this picture makes you think.... seriously...



I posted once detailed graphs and charts all facts from US based websites and US gov websites, outlining all the spending on Israel and the many wars the US has started in the last ten years. It got deleted by resident clown Hugo Chavez the 'mod', but it showed where and how the money went.

You can't seriously expect this 'society' to flourish by destroying other nations, and indebting itself endlessly.

You can argue elephant this donkey that aaaallll day long, but you'll remain ignorant of what's going on thinking you're making a difference.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Starting a business is just another arbitary economic trick as only 10 % of businesses make profit.