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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #350 on: January 10, 2015, 01:12:41 PM »
paying every month - UNLIKE YOU WELFARE PEOPLE FOR YOUR FREE PHONES , HUD, APARTMENTS, MEDICADE, FOOD, DIAPERS, ETC

on loans you never would have been given if they were not guaranteed against default by the government

you're still sucking on the government teat

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #351 on: January 10, 2015, 01:15:15 PM »
on loans you never would have been given if they were not guaranteed against default by the government

you're still sucking on the government teat

 ;D...the truth sure does hurt...so Chris, does this mean that you can owe your success as a SUPPOSED lawyer to GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE???????????????????????

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #352 on: January 10, 2015, 01:42:23 PM »
on loans you never would have been given if they were not guaranteed against default by the government

you're still sucking on the government teat


Uppss ;D

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #353 on: January 10, 2015, 01:54:12 PM »
;D...the truth sure does hurt...so Chris, does this mean that you can owe your success as a SUPPOSED lawyer to GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE???????????????????????



Geez all this time and im no different than any other welfare thug drunk pissing himself in Penn station and voting for Obama - go figure.   :D

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #354 on: January 10, 2015, 01:56:23 PM »


Geez all this time and im no different than any other welfare thug drunk pissing himself in Penn station and voting for Obama - go figure.   :D

I destroyed your entire world :D

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #355 on: January 10, 2015, 03:52:27 PM »
Again?  Really?  He wants to be President too badly; that alone is reason enough not to vote for him.  His performance in the last campaign is another reason.  Bah!

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #356 on: January 10, 2015, 04:29:39 PM »
paying every month - UNLIKE YOU WELFARE PEOPLE FOR YOUR FREE PHONES , HUD, APARTMENTS, MEDICADE, FOOD, DIAPERS, ETC

so the taxpayer funded your debt collector career?
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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #357 on: January 11, 2015, 05:30:50 PM »
For Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, a history of ambition fuels a possible 2016 collision
By Philip Rucker and Robert Costa
   
Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney have much in common. Both were pragmatic as governors, mild-mannered as candidates and more comfortable balancing budgets at their desks than clinking glasses at a political dinner.

The two Republican leaders’ personal rapport is cordial. But they are hardly chummy — and at moments their relationship has been strained, with each man’s intertwined political network carrying some grievances with the other’s.

As Bush, 61, and Romney, 67, explore presidential campaigns in 2016, they are like boxers warming up for what could become a brutal bout, sizing each other up and mulling whether or when to step into the ring.

Their early maneuvering reveals a level of competitiveness and snippiness that stems from a long history following similar career paths in business and politics prescribed by their dynastic families.

“We’re seeing the first shots of the war between clan Romney and clan Bush,” said Alex Castellanos, a Republican strategist who has worked for both men. “Both bring to the battle incredibly powerful fan clubs as well as wounds they have to heal. How ugly could it get? You’re only competing to lead the free world.”

Bush has been trying to consolidate support among establishment donors, leaders and operatives since announcing in December that he would begin laying the groundwork for a likely campaign.

“The Bush connection is a centrifugal force, and it’s drawing back a whole generation of public servants and politicos,” said former Utah governor Jon Huntsman, one of Romney’s 2012 opponents.

But on Friday, Romney sought to slam the brakes on Bush, telling about 30 powerful donors that he, too, was seriously considering a 2016 bid. “I want to be president,” he said, adding that his wife, Ann, was supportive.

Romney has begun methodically calling donors, staff members and endorsers from his two prior campaigns to measure how deep his reservoir of support would be if he runs for a third time, his advisers said. He also has scheduled a series of public speeches, including a Jan. 28 address at Mississippi State University.

The entry of both Bush and Romney is far from certain, and Romney’s dalliance is preliminary. But the prospect of two center-right heavyweights entering a 2016 field likely to be fluid, crowded and diverse forces other contenders and the party’s stable of donors to adjust their thinking.

“Awkward,” was the reaction from several past Romney supporters when they learned he was weighing a 2016 campaign. If both he and Bush run, they would occupy similar space as favorites of the party brass and business community.

“The abundance of great candidates developing on the Republican side is making life very tough for me because I’m going to have to choose amongst friends,” said former New Hampshire governor John H. Sununu, who was White House chief of staff under Bush’s father but a top campaign surrogate for Romney.

But, Sununu added, “it’s applesauce right now. Let’s not try to pick up applesauce and move it to the other side of the plate.”

More personal race
The two candidates would invite comparisons to each other, which could be tense for Bush, who was sharply critical of Romney’s 2012 campaign — in particular, his lack of outreach to minorities — and has pledged to run a more inclusive and transparent campaign.

“A Romney-Bush race could end up being nastier than Jeb against someone like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul,” Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, said of the Texas and Kentucky senators. “A Cruz-Bush race is pretty straightforward and ideological. A Romney-Bush race would be more personal — about whose turn it is and who is owed it.”

Associates of both men insist there is no animosity between them and that each will make his decision about a 2016 run irrespective of the other.

“Governor Bush respects Governor Romney,” said Bush spokeswoman Kristy Campbell, who worked on Romney’s 2012 campaign. “His process moving forward won’t be impacted by Governor Romney’s decision to explore a run — and I would assume it is the same on the reverse side.”

Beth Myers, a longtime adviser to Romney, said he and Bush have been friends since 2002, when Romney was elected to his first term as Massachusetts governor and Bush to his second as Florida governor.

“Mitt has great respect for Jeb’s ability and integrity, and they’ve worked together many times over the years to promote conservative principles,” Myers said. “At the end of the day, whatever decision Mitt makes about running for president, I’m 100 percent certain he will still value and maintain his friendship with Jeb.”

Mitt and Ann Romney also have nurtured a friendship with Bush’s parents, former president George H.W. Bush and his wife, Barbara. In 2007, when Romney gave a personal speech on his Mormon faith, which had become a touchy issue with evangelical Christian voters, he did so at the George Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Tex., where he was warmly introduced by the 41st president.

Working on Romney’s 2008 primary campaign were several Jeb Bush lieutenants: Sally Bradshaw, Bush’s longtime political adviser; Ann Herberger, a Miami-based fundraiser; and Al Cardenas, a fixture in Florida Republican politics. All three stayed out of Romney’s 2012 campaign, although Cardenas, then the chairman of the American Conservative Union, endorsed him as the primaries were ending.

The Bush-Romney family dynamic has been one of intrigue and ambition, dating at least to the 1950s, when Romney’s father, George Romney, then president of American Motors, was striving to make political connections as he eyed a run for office.

In 1957, Romney wrote a letter to Prescott Bush, Jeb’s grandfather then serving in the Senate from Connecticut, urging him to test-drive a Rambler or a Metropolitan. Both were popular AMC models, and Romney told Bush the latter got 40 miles to the gallon, according to car-industry historian Patrick R. Foster’s book “The Metropolitan Story.” But, Foster writes, it remains unknown whether the efforts resulted in a sale — or even if Romney’s solicitation drew any notice in Bush’s office.

Eyeing one another
In recent weeks, Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush have been quietly trying to ascertain the other’s motives and playbook. Bush has asked Romney’s former donors about what Romney is up to, while Romney met shortly before Christmas with Bush strategist Mike Murphy and inquired about Bush’s preparations, according to political consultants who know Romney and Bush.

Romney has said little publicly about Bush, but in exchanges with intimates, he has focused on Bush’s past advisory work for Lehman Brothers and Barclays, two major financial institutions. He argued that it makes Bush vulnerable to the same kind of Democratic attacks that he faced in 2012 over his career as Bain Capital co-founder and chief executive. He also has voiced doubts about Bush’s political skills and ability to beat likely Democratic candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Ana Navarro, a GOP operative and Bush confidant, said: “I’m not going to get worked up over comments Romney has allegedly made to donors behind closed doors — yet. We all know he sometimes misspeaks.”

Bush has vowed to more vigorously defend his business record than Romney did. Comparing their careers is like “comparing an apple to a peanut,” Bush said in a December interview with a Miami television station.

Those comments irritated Romney’s family and loyalists, who took them as a slight against his career managing a complicated enterprise on a scale far larger than Bush’s business dealings, according to Romney associates.

Bush also is considering releasing a decade or more of his tax returns after Romney faced heat for only reluctantly releasing two years of his returns. And Bush has advocated a more welcoming message on immigration reform than Romney’s hard-right position, which he criticized in 2012.

“He got sucked into other people’s agendas, and I think it hurt him a little bit,” Bush said in the TV interview. He added, “Winning with purpose, winning with meaning, winning with your integrity is what I’m trying to talk about.”

Before announcing his 2012 campaign, Romney, sensing that immigration policy would be a contentious issue in the primaries, sought Bush’s advice.

“I went to see Jeb, I flew down to see him, and said: ‘I’d like to take immigration off the issue list for the primaries. And wouldn’t it be great if Republicans could come up with an immigration plan that all of the contenders could say, yeah, I agree. And then we could sweep that aside,’ ” Romney told The Washington Post’s Dan Balz in an interview for his book “Collision 2012.”


“We were unable to get there,” Romney continued. “I mean, there just wasn’t enough consensus among Republicans generally.”

Rival strategists
As Bush and Romney explore a run, whispering into their ears are two political professionals with big egos, eccentric personalities and a long-simmering rivalry: Romney’s Stuart Stevens and Bush’s Murphy. They are fierce competitors with roots in each other’s turf. Stevens worked on George W. Bush’s presidential campaigns, while Murphy worked on Romney’s 2002 gubernatorial campaign.

Members of Bush’s team have not forgotten Stevens’s role in Bush’s 1994 gubernatorial race, which became Bush’s lowest point politically. Stevens advised one of Bush’s primary opponents, Jim Smith, who waged a bruising TV ad assault against Bush over his business experience and character.

“This begins the destruction of Jeb Bush,” Stevens told the New York Times as the ads began. Bush won the primary, but he didn’t win the governorship until four years later.

During the 2012 campaign, Murphy mocked Stevens on Twitter as Romney struggled in the primaries against relatively weak opponents. More recently, Romney backers have been murmuring fresh questions about Murphy’s work for the political action committee of former New York mayor Michael R. Bloomberg (I), who is anathema to the conservative base.

Some Romney allies are bitter that Bush was slow to endorse Romney in 2012. In the run-up to the Florida primary, with Romney fighting to beat back a surge from Newt Gingrich, Bush sat on the sidelines when Romney’s team thought he could have made a difference. Romney called, e-mailed and met privately with Bush to try to win him over, but he could not be convinced.

“I voted absentee,” Bush said on CNN. “And thank God it’s a secret ballot.”

Romney won Florida nevertheless, and by the time Bush announced his endorsement, on March 21, the day after Romney’s decisive victory in the Illinois primary, the nomination was all but officially his.

Bush called Romney on his cellphone, with no tip-off from an emissary, and their talk was brief, according to aides. Back at headquarters, advisers were pleased by the news, but grumbling still, wondering why it had taken so long.


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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #358 on: January 12, 2015, 06:18:51 AM »
^^  Photo above brings to mind the same reaction everyone had when Rubio recently told the media he was presidential material and could win the election.

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #359 on: January 12, 2015, 06:49:55 AM »
^^  Photo above brings to mind the same reaction everyone had when Rubio recently told the media he was presidential material and could win the election.

HA!....Rubio is seriously butthurt over Obama's decision to open up Cuba.....he looked like he was going to cry when he was asked to comment on it...I'm really going to miss Obama in a way, when he leaves the presidency......I love the affect he has on the GOP..they spend all day and night whining about him, looking sad and butthurt.....makes me laugh that they are so obsessed with Obama they can't get themselves together and do anything 8)

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #360 on: January 13, 2015, 04:34:32 AM »
Romney moves to reassemble campaign team for ‘almost certain’ 2016 bid
 By Robert Costa, Philip Rucker and Karen Tumulty January 12 at 9:37 PM

Mitt Romney is moving quickly to reassemble his national political network, calling former aides, donors and other supporters over the weekend and on Monday in a concerted push to signal his seriousness about possibly launching a 2016 presidential campaign.

Romney’s message, as he told one senior Republican, was that he “almost certainly will” make what would be his third bid for the White House. His aggressive outreach came as Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) — Romney’s 2012 vice presidential running mate and the newly installed chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee — announced Monday that he would not seek the presidency in 2016.

Romney’s activity indicates that his declaration of interest Friday to a group of 30 donors in New York was more than the release of a trial balloon. Instead, it was the start of a deliberate effort by the 2012 nominee to carve out space for himself in an emerging 2016 field also likely to include former Florida governor Jeb Bush, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

Romney has worked the phones over the past few days, calling an array of key allies to discuss his potential 2016 campaign. Among them was Ryan, whom Romney phoned over the weekend to inform him personally of his plans to probably run. Ryan was encouraging, people with knowledge of the calls said.

Other Republicans with whom Romney spoke recently include Sens. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.) and Rob Portman (Ohio), former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, Hewlett-Packard chief executive Meg Whitman, former Massachusetts senator Scott Brown, former Missouri senator Jim Talent and Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah).

In the conversations, Romney said he is intent on running to the right of Bush, who also is working vigorously to court donors and other party establishment figures for a 2016 bid. Romney has tried to assure conservatives that he shares their views on immigration and tax policy — and that should he enter the race, he will not forsake party orthodoxy.

On New Year’s Eve, Romney welcomed Laura Ingraham, the firebrand conservative and nationally syndicated talk-radio host, to his ski home in Deer Valley, Utah. Romney served a light lunch to Ingraham and her family as they spent more than an hour discussing politics and policy, according to sources familiar with the meeting.

“He was relaxed, reflective and was interested in hearing my thoughts on the American working class,” Ingraham said in an e-mail Monday. “He was fully engaged and up to speed on everything happening on [the] domestic and international front. To me, it didn’t seem like he was content to be just a passive player in American politics.”

Romney’s undertaking to re-engage and pursue anew the GOP’s leading financial and political players began Friday, when he told a private gathering of donors, “I want to be president.” He also told them that his wife, Ann, was “very encouraging” of another campaign.

Romney is considering attending this week’s meeting of the Republican National Committee in San Diego and is working on a new message about economic empowerment, advisers said.

“He’s a lot more focused in these calls on developing a path to victory and talking through a message, rather than talking about money,” said Spencer Zwick, Romney’s 2012 national finance chairman. “Mitt Romney has proven that he can raise the money.”

This comes as Bush — another favorite of the Republican elite — is holding meetings with party leaders and financiers as he explores his campaign. Bush and Romney have overlapping political circles.

Many of Romney’s past supporters may feel torn — not only between him and Bush but also among Christie, Walker, Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) and other Republicans who are weighing a run. Some already have publicly aligned with Bush and others.

“They’re competing hard and it’s going to get complicated for Bush,” said former Senate majority leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.). “But Romney still has to prove that he has the ability to reach out to ordinary, hardworking people and emote — smiling with one eye and crying with the other.”

Romney’s outreach extends beyond his cheerleaders to onetime foes as well. He called Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker who relentlessly attacked Romney on the stump and debate stage in 2012 during his presidential run. Gingrich said he told Romney, “There are no front-runners” in the 2016 race. “We have runners, but no front-runners.”

Romney is measuring how much of his 2012 operation would gear up behind him again. He is particularly intent on rebuilding his past political infrastructure in New Hampshire, where he owns a vacation home in Wolfeboro. The state, which holds the first presidential primary, ignited his 2012 campaign when he won it resoundingly in a crowded field.

As of Monday, Romney had secured the backing of his top two New Hampshire-based advisers, Thomas D. Rath and Jim Merrill.

“He called me right after the Patriots beat the Ravens, so we were both in good moods,” Merrill said. “It was a good conversation. He was very clear that he is seriously considering a run. I’ve been with Mitt Romney since March 2006, so if he decides to do it, I’ll be there for him.” Rath, a former New Hampshire state attorney general, concurred in a separate interview: “I’ve been with Mitt Romney for eight years. If he’s in, I’ll make the coffee or drive the car — whatever he needs.”

Romney also has called Brown, who ran unsuccessfully for Senate from New Hampshire in 2014, as well as former governor John Sununu, who was a surrogate for Romney in 2012 but has close ties to the Bush family after serving as chief of staff under then-president George H.W. Bush.

Judd Gregg, a former U.S. senator from New Hampshire who backed Romney in 2008 and 2012, said, “He’s reaching out to people. My sense is he feels strongly he has an opportunity to do what was incomplete last time. He figures there’s a lot of buyer’s remorse now and that his message is a good message and it’ll resonate.”

Romney is also paying attention to Iowa, which holds the first-in-the-nation caucuses, calling his former Iowa strategist, David Kochel. Romney, however, has not connected with Iowa Republican Sens. Charles E. Grassley or Joni Ernst. “I haven’t talked to him in two years,” Grassley said Monday.

One Romney adviser, who requested anonymity to speak candidly, said, “Mitt’s a very restless character. He is not the type to retire happily, to read books on the beach. . . . He believes he has something to offer the country and the only way he can do that is by running for president again.”

Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the GOP presidential nominee in 2008, was skeptical of a Romney candidacy and endorsed the idea of a “dark horse” run by his longtime friend in the Senate, Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.).

Eric Fehrnstrom, a former Romney spokesman, ticked through issues that he said were motivating Romney to try again. “At home our economy is still not as strong as it could be,” he said. “Long-term growth is in doubt. And around the world there’s really deep concern that America’s leadership has unraveled and hostile forces have filled that vacuum.”

Romney’s national finance network — which raised roughly $1 billion on his behalf for the 2012 campaign — came alive in the hours after he declared his interest in a 2016 bid.

“When the news broke Friday, my phone started blowing up with texts, calls and e-mails from people that had donated to the campaign before and pledging their help,” said Travis Hawkes, a Republican donor in Idaho who served on Romney’s national finance council. “They say, ‘Let me know when you need my credit card number.’ My response to everyone has been, ‘Let’s just slow down and see what happens.’ ”

“I don’t know, man, it’s a free country,” McCain said of a possible Romney campaign in 2016. “I thought there was no education in the second kick of a mule
. . . . I respect his judgment, he’s a strong leader.”  ;D

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #361 on: January 14, 2015, 05:27:46 AM »
It makes no sense for Mitt Romney to run for president again
By Chris Cillizza

Ever since the news broke last Friday that Mitt Romney is not only thinking about running for president again in 2016 but also making moves that suggest he is going to run, I've been trying to figure out why.  I've talked to Republicans who are close to Romney and Republicans who are only interested observers.

For people outside of Romney's direct orbit, there is bafflement about what Romney is doing. Closer allies explain, without their names attached, why Romney running again isn't as odd as it is being portrayed. "Lots of people get elected to governor or senator on their third try," said one Romney supporter urging the former governor to run. "Nothing magical about that not being a presidential."

More on that later. But, in short those conversations -- and my own thinking -- have produced three basic reasons to explain why Romney is doing what he is doing. They are:

1. He doesn't believe Jeb Bush is a terribly strong candidate/frontrunner.

2. He doesn't think anyone in the current field can beat Hillary Clinton

3. He believes he has something more/new/different to offer the country at a critical moment in history.

Numbers one and two are, of course, intricately linked.  Romney doesn't like Bush's public critique of the sort of campaign he ran in 2012 and believes that Bush drastically misunderstands how the modern political world works. Bush, who has not run for any office since 2006 2002, has deep vulnerabilities on the work -- from finance to education -- that he has done since leaving office, Romney believes.  And, Bush simply doesn't understand (or doesn't want to understand) the problems he has on that front. (This story by WaPo's Lyndsey Layton on Bush's education group is fodder for that Romney argument.)

And, if you believe, as Romney does, that Bush is much weaker than most people -- including many Republican donors -- currently regard him, then the prospect of a Clinton presidency seems very real.  "Romney is only person who is beating anybody thinking about running in both parties," said one Romney supporter. "He only beats Hillary by a point or two but still, if you are beating everyone and can raise money, that's not a reason to run but it's certainly not a reason not to run."

Fair enough. It is absolutely true that Bush remains largely untested in the world of Vine, Instagram and Twitter on the campaign trail. And that his gubernatorial -- and, more importantly, post-gubernatorial -- record has not taken anywhere near the scrutiny it will if/when he runs. And that Romney is a proven fundraiser and vote-getter.

It's that third point though that Romney, according to those who know him best, sees as most important  -- and on which he and I part ways.

"There is something in Mitt that drives him to solve problems," explained one Romney confidante of the governor's mindset. "When he sees something is a mess, he doesn't have it in his DNA to sit back and let someone else just try to clean it up."

Added another: "He believes he can help the country and help people."

I don't doubt Romney's sincerity. But I do think he and those close to him are fooling themselves that he can simply proclaim that he is running a new and different campaign -- one based on foreign policy and poverty, according to Politico -- and that will be that.

It's literally impossible for me to imagine such a scenario.  The reason Romney is in the position he is -- nationally known, a massive fundraising network -- is because of his 2008 and 2012 campaigns. Those are the pluses of having run twice before. But, there are also significant minuses in having done so. Does Romney think either his Republican opponents or, potentially Hillary Clinton in a general election, are going to just let the whole "47 percent" thing drop? Or that the car elevator, "severely conservative" and the picture of him with money coming out of his suit jacket are going to disappear?

Um, they won't. The second Romney declares -- and, even now as he moves toward a candidacy -- all of the things people didn't like about him will start to creep back to the front of their minds. The image of him as an out-of-touch plutocrat, which the Obama team so effectively painted, will linger no matter what Romney says or does as a candidate. And, unlike in 2012 when he was seen as the de facto frontrunner due to his close-but-no-cigar bid in 2008, the logic (or lack thereof) for why he would choose to run again in 2016 would make him a puzzle in the eyes of many Republican primary voters. People don't usually vote for puzzles.

There's no question that Romney feels a call to service and believes that he is uniquely able to solve the problems of the GOP and the country at the moment. But, the assumption that he can pluck the good things from his past candidacies while wiping away -- "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"-style -- all the bad stuff from voters' minds is a deeply flawed reading of how politics works. And it's why it makes little sense for Romney to run again.

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #362 on: January 14, 2015, 07:20:04 AM »
cant believe this guy is gonna try yet again. what a waste and a distraction.

oh well, at least he will split the RINO vote with Jeb and Chrispy

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #363 on: January 14, 2015, 05:29:13 PM »
Mitt Romney vs. Jeb Bush vs. Chris Christie
by Marc Ambinder

If Mitt Romney really does jump into the presidential race, he'll join a field already crowded with contemporaries who are talking to the same set of voters and the same donors as he is. Each of these guys — particularly Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.) and former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-Fla.) — has a theory of their case, a linear scenario that justifies their presidential flirtations.

Jeb Bush has the simplest case (though not the easiest). Get voters to forget/acknowledge/embrace his last name. Endure the primaries and stay above the fray as much as possible. Run as the responsible candidate in the primary and on a Middle Class™ renaissance in the general. The longer the race, the more formidable he becomes. Focus relentlessly on the governing failures of President Obama. (Immigration: Obama messed it up for everybody.) He can beat Hillary Clinton because the demographics are with him.

With more of his dad's maturity than his mother's moxie, Jeb Bush has waited his turn. On a national level, he has not yet truly exposed his political vulnerabilities to the incantations of movement conservatives. He hasn't really lost (or won) anything outside of Florida, and this bolsters his confidence that he can withstand their criticism. He thinks he can do as a presidential candidate what he did as a gubernatorial candidate, and what his brother did as a Texas gubernatorial candidate: put together a cross-cutting coalition to include upwardly mobile minorities (with more than a fair share of Latinos) and women who do not believe he's a scary conservative.

Bush hopes that voters much prefer a real human with conservative instincts than a phony conservative with occasional flashes of human-ness. He will risk losing the primary to win the general election.

Common Core, he thinks, is an issue that will go away shortly after the first few primary states. On immigration, Bush believes, he will have to lead his party where it knows it needs to go, but so far hasn't been able to reach.  

Bush is an economic conservative who can quickly suck up the GOP's Southern entrepreneurial money pod, steal a large portion of the party's New York-Wall Street cash haulers, and convince the party's wealthy Midwestern and California donors that his appeal to Latinos makes him viable in the general election.

Enormous sums of money will keep him viable when he inevitably dips in the polls after opponents score points off him at debates; he will play the long game, rather than the tactical one.

Jeb Bush is Mitt Romney with a heart, a Mitt Romney who doesn't shed his skin each time the environment changes. He can win the most viable national candidate race. He has the fewest edges, and the most obvious vulnerability (he's a Bush), so voters know exactly what to expect.

If establishment Republicans thought Chris Christie was viable as their nominee, they wouldn't have pressed so hard for Bush to get in. In a one-on-one race with Hillary Clinton, Bush focuses on the upper Midwest, and on ethnic whites without college degrees who want someone like them to fight for their interests.

Chris Christie's presidential run is based on the expectation that voters are fed up with government paralysis and with the somewhat effete and affected governing style of President Obama. The combative New Jersey governor is the most un-Obama like of any of the candidates, in that he's always described as the "combative New Jersey governor." So long as he doesn't get caught in the bully trap, voters will feed off his energy.

His theory of the case counts on Jeb Bush's belly fire being doused early, and on Bush's donors quickly viewing Christie as the second best alternative. Unlike Bush, Christie will visit the rest of the candidates in their chicken coop and crack eggshells when he needs to. He can't hang back; he needs to be viable, in the mix, and always doing something. Back in 2012, the GOP tried to get Christie to run because they thought Romney was too flawed. Christie is Romney with an edge, without an obvious incentive to pander. And perhaps he can win New Jersey, too.

Mitt Romney might have been elected president. He was close to being president. He's been there. He knows how to run; he knows how to survive a GOP primary, and he's human now, dammit. He'll take the start of an economy recovery and kick it into high gear; he'll fix the problems with ObamaCare. He's got more conservative cred than he did when he first ran. And he'll win the general, not with any tricks or extra charm, but simply because voters won't want to elect Democrats to power anymore.

Chris Christie, Romney will argue, is scandal-plagued and too mean; Jeb Bush is a Bush who won't survive the primaries.

We'll see if it works.

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #364 on: January 15, 2015, 02:59:39 PM »
A third Romney run for the White House is a sad quest for relevance
By Jonathan Capehart

The Wall Street Journal should have given its readers a piece of chalk with every copy Wednesday. The better to draw a chalk outline around the blow-torched image of Mitt Romney after reading the paper’s scorching editorial that belittles the 2012 Republican presidential nominee’s chances for a third attempt at the party’s nod in 2016.

I and others, particularly Democrats, have been giving side-eyes to the idea of a Romney repeat ever since the former Massachusetts governor started hinting at the prospect late last year. Whatever criticism I could articulate would have been dismissed as partisan harping of an Obama water-carrier, as I’ve been called by more than a few charmers in my inbox. But when the equivalent of the principal’s office of the GOP takes it upon itself to lambast the wanna-be favorite son, folks pay attention.

The opening line signals the brutality to come. “If Mitt Romney is the answer,” the editorial begins, “what is the question?”

    Mr. Romney is a man of admirable personal character, but his political profile is, well, protean. He made the cardinal mistake of pandering to conservatives rather than offering a vision that would attract them. He claimed to be “severely conservative” and embraced “self-deportation” for illegal immigrants, a political killer. But he refused to break from his RomneyCare record in Massachusetts even though it undermined his criticism of ObamaCare. A third campaign would resurrect all of that political baggage—and videotape.

    The businessman also failed on his own self-professed terms as a superior manager. His convention was the worst since George H.W. Bush ’s in 1992, focusing more on his biography than a message. This left him open to President Obama ’s barrage against his record at Bain Capital, which Mr. Romney failed to defend because that would have meant playing on Democratic turf, as his strategists liked to put it. The unanswered charges suppressed GOP turnout in key states like Ohio.


The editorial hammers everything about the Romney 2012 campaign. Noting that the 2016 field will be “far better” than the clown car of four years ago, the WSJ sneers at Romney’s potential candidacy. “It’s hard to see what advantages Mr. Romney brings that the many potential first-time candidates who have succeeded as governors do not.” Ouch.

Romney fatigue among Republicans is the basis of a story on the front page of the New York Times on Wednesday. The report by Jonathan Martin is notable for the number of people willing to go on the record to praise Romney while trashing his presidential ambitions. Former Oklahoma Gov. Frank Keating bluntly said of Romney, “People say he is a very fine man, but he had his chance.” A Republican strategist from South Carolina asked a question that will dog Romney throughout another bid for the White House: “How does he define what he is trying to do besides the fact he just wants to be president?”

This gets at a point highlighted in a profile by Mark Leibovich on Romney in The Times last September that has influenced my view of his political machinations ever since.

    As deftly as Romney plays the self-deprecating bridesmaid, he is open about his dread of becoming irrelevant. After his father, George Romney, a three-term Michigan governor, lost the state’s primary in 1968, he struggled to get meetings. “I remember my dad becoming quite frustrated,” Romney said. “He used to say that Washington is the fastest place to go from ‘Who’s Who’ to ‘Who’s That?’ ” In the saturated media landscape of today, the son has been luckier. “I have been able to get on TV, get key interviews, get op-eds published,” Romney said.

Romney is within his right to run a third time for president. Lord knows he has the national campaign experience the other prospective candidates don’t have. Sure, Romney might be a better candidate this time around “by virtue of experience.” But the notion that he might give it another go to escape the fate of irrelevance suffered by his father is rather sad.


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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #365 on: January 16, 2015, 04:50:58 AM »
Mitt Romney Faces Skepticism, Frustration as He Looks to 2016
by Zeke J Miller

“I think the party wants to see a new candidate,” said the party's Pennsylvania chairman

When former Mitt Romney steps across on the deck of the U.S.S. Midway on Friday evening, the former GOP presidential nominee who is considering a third bid for the White House will be greeted by many skeptical faces from his party’s leadership.

Four years after the Republican establishment’s support propelled him to the nomination, many members of the Republican National Committee are telling him to step aside.

“I just don’t believe it’s Gov. Romney’s turn,” said New York national committeeman Charles Joyce. “He’s missed the boat. We’d rather try something else.”

A week after Romney allies and donors sent the strongest signal yet that he is exploring a third bid for the White House, Romney aides announced Thursday that Colin Reed, the campaign manager for former Sen. Scott Brown’s New Hampshire Senate race, was joining Romney’s team in a volunteer capacity. But at the GOP’s winter meeting, many in the Republican Party elite expressed frustration with the way their former nominee has conducted himself. Last year, Romney repeatedly ruled out running again, but has sent signals that he is seriously considering doing so, scrambling the equation for donors, operatives and supporters who previously supported him but interpreted his denials as a license to explore supporting other candidates.

“Obviously, I think all of us feel like if he had been elected in 2012, the country would be in much better shape,” said John Ryder, the party’s general counsel and the committeeman from Tennessee. “He’s got to make a case as to why this time would be better than the last time, and how he can reclaim the loyalty of some of the folks who have started to drift off.”

“[Romney] doesn’t clear the field for anyone,” he added.

Henry Barbour, the committeeman from Mississippi and one of the authors of the party’s autopsy that was sharply critical of the previous Romney effort, said, “clearly getting past 2012 is going to be his challenge.”

But Barbour added his previous candidacy was hardly disqualifying. “We want to nominate the person who’s going to win the White House, period. If that’s someone who has never run before, if that’s somebody who has been our nominee before, if that’s somebody from Mars, if they will advance our policy agenda and take back the White House, that’s who we want to have win the nomination.”

Romney faces lingering frustration from some in his party that he spoiled an opportunity to defeat President Barack Obama.

“When he went into that race, people thought there was a very good chance for Republicans given the state of the economy and it looked like it should have been the Republicans to lose, and he did,” said Maine party chairman Rick Bennett. “He needs to find a way to answer that.”

“Governor Romney is a good man,” echoed South Carolina chairman Matt Moore. “But my question is, ‘how would this campaign be different than 2012″‘ Because if everything is the same, the result will be the same.”

Republican leaders expressed doubts that Romney could reverse the public perception that his wealth has placed him out of touch with ordinary Americans, while worrying that lingering controversies over his suggestion that illegal immigrants “self-deport” and that 47% of Americans “believe that they are victims” would set the party back in its efforts to rebrand.

Steve King, the committeeman from Wisconsin, said Romney’s candidacy could undermine Republican efforts to put a new face on the party. “We need freshness. If Mitt Romney wants to win he’s going to have to figure out how to be fresh,” he said.

Romney supporters on the committee have been making the case that his name recognition and experience make him the ideal candidate to take on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, adding that he has been vindicated on some foreign policy issues. But their behind the scenes efforts to convince RNC members to keep an open mind are falling on many deaf ears.

“I think the party wants to see a new candidate,” said Pennsylvania chairman Rob Gleason. “The people here want to see someone new,” he added, of the RNC membership. “I think the whole country is looking for someone new.”

One RNC member from the South said nominating Romney again would be tantamount to electing Clinton. “We may be saddled with that again,” the member said on the condition of anonymity, “but if we are, then we better be making provisions for Hillary.”

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« Reply #366 on: January 17, 2015, 04:27:30 AM »
GOP guarded over possible Romney run
Support among voters, within party questioned
By Matt Viser

CORONADO, Calif. — Mitt Romney’s potential presidential candidacy was being met with curiosity and wariness — but far from a full-fledged embrace — by Republican power brokers and activists gathering Thursday in California for the party’s winter meetings.

The candidacy injects the possibility of a hotly competitive primary that could either energize the party, or distract voters from the ultimate goal of winning in November 2016. While Romney and former Florida governor Jeb Bush have attracted most of the early attention, nearly two dozen candidates are now considering a run.

“This really kind of throws a wrench in everything,” said Saul Anuzis, a longtime Michigan Republican leader who backed Romney in 2012. “Mitt Romney is truly respected and loved here. No doubt the committee has a great deal of positive feelings for him. But I also think everybody’s kind of surprised.’’

In conversations with more than a dozen Republicans gathered near San Diego for the Republican National Committee’s winter meetings, most said Romney’s potential candidacy demonstrates the party’s vibrancy, even while they cautioned that he would need to mount a much better effort than he did in 2012.

Some of Romney’s potential rivals and the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page dismissed Romney this week as “yesterday’s news’’ and “recycled,” saying the same thing that Romney himself has said for the last two years: He had his shot, and now it’s someone else’s turn.

“I’m not happy frankly with the way he’s chosen to reenter presidential politics and I think his friends need to be honest with him about that,” Vin Weber, a former cochairman of Romney’s campaign, told Bloomberg Politics. “He’s a great man, he’d be a great president but there’s not a lot of precedent for somebody losing the election and coming back four years later, becoming the nominee.”

As Romney continues to weigh whether to run again, one of his biggest tests is whether he can convince the broader party faithful that he deserves another shot at the White House.

While his most ardent supporters and most loyal donors are nudging him into the race, it is an open question how deep the support will be in his party.

There is almost universal agreement that no one is going to step aside for him and that Romney has a more difficult path to the nomination than he did in 2012, particularly with Bush strongly contemplating a campaign and already competing with Romney for donors.

There also appeared to be a consensus that Romney, who trumpeted his business management skills on the stump, oversaw a poorly run general election campaign that allowed President Obama to return to the White House.

RNC members said he will be under pressure to explain what lessons he learned and how he will improve if he runs again.

“Mitt comes in as a strong contender. Most of the members of the committee feel the campaign was not as well run as it should have been,” said Steve Duprey, a RNC committeeman from New Hampshire. “So if he runs again, they want to see how it’s going to be done differently.”

Even some of Romney’s supporters who again may work on his campaign say privately that they already see some warning signs in his early rollout over the past week.

His advisers have been outlining a pathway for him to again win the nomination, but Romney himself has not fully articulated his rationale for jumping into the race after two years of saying he wouldn’t.

They worry that, without a clearly articulated reason for running, he will come across as merely an ambitious man who wants to be president without knowing why.

Romney is planning to give a speech on Friday to the conference, his first public remarks since he disclosed that he was considering getting into the race.

Romney will deliver the address from the USS Midway aircraft carrier.

Romney is also starting to hire staff for a potential campaign, bringing on Colin Reed to help with press inquiries. Reed ran Scott Brown’s Senate campaign in New Hampshire.

The committee meeting is being held at a sprawling resort with expansive views of the ocean.

Several other potential presidential candidates are addressing the conference — including former neurosurgeon Ben Carson, outgoing Texas Governor Rick Perry, and Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin — but Bush and Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey are not planning to attend.

In quiet meetings over coffee, in strolls along the beach, and in conference halls, Romney was the topic du jour.

“Governor Romney is one of the finest public servants this country has ever known,” said Robert Asher, an RNC committeeman from Pennsylvania. “There’s an old saying: In politics, 24 hours is a lifetime. People are allowed to change their mind.”

Reince Priebus, the RNC’s chairman, strolled around the resort Thursday with an entourage and a broad smile.

“It’s going to be a lot of fun,” he said in an interview. “It makes our party the exciting, interesting party that has intrigue, a little drama. But a lot of fun.

“The Democrats, what do they have?” he added. “It’s the most boring, day old bread, same old, same old.”

Still, there are some concerns that a Romney candidacy — or one by Bush — will have the feel of same old, same old, as well.

“Some of the newer candidates say, ‘We need to look forward not back,’ ” Duprey said. “We need to do to Secretary [of State Hillary] Clinton what President Obama did to John McCain, play the generational change.”

Christopher Jacobson, a 62-year-old Republican from Orange County, Calif., said that if Romney runs again, he would support him.

“My car still has a Mitt sticker on it,” he said. “I didn’t take it off, in case he ran again.”

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #367 on: January 17, 2015, 07:29:41 AM »
Jeb refused to even endorse Romney in 2012.   The party knows how toxic this guy is.  He won nomination not because "repubs believed in him" but rather because his campaign was just better organized, more $ to keep it going, and because FOX went from hating him to loving him once the GOP primaries became a rotating clown car of "9-9-9 love affairs" and "bachmann went undercover at the IRS" and "Trump can't run suddenly because he prefers his TV show..."

Looking back, the 2012 race really was a fcking train wreck.  Half of the competitors were serious, half were just obnoxious idiots.  Romney won by just showing up, being a polite RINO, and having better organization.

Maybe in 2016 repubs will be smart enough to choose a candidate they LIKE, and one with views that MATCH THEIR OWN.  Otherwise, it'll be more of the same... Romney wins primaries due to $/organization, and loses election by a landslide because base won't bother voting for him.  (again).

Cruz or lose. 

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #368 on: January 17, 2015, 07:43:37 AM »
Jeb refused to even endorse Romney in 2012.   The party knows how toxic this guy is.  He won nomination not because "repubs believed in him" but rather because his campaign was just better organized, more $ to keep it going, and because FOX went from hating him to loving him once the GOP primaries became a rotating clown car of "9-9-9 love affairs" and "bachmann went undercover at the IRS" and "Trump can't run suddenly because he prefers his TV show..."

Looking back, the 2012 race really was a fcking train wreck.  Half of the competitors were serious, half were just obnoxious idiots.  Romney won by just showing up, being a polite RINO, and having better organization.

Maybe in 2016 repubs will be smart enough to choose a candidate they LIKE, and one with views that MATCH THEIR OWN.  Otherwise, it'll be more of the same... Romney wins primaries due to $/organization, and loses election by a landslide because base won't bother voting for him.  (again).

Cruz or lose. 

would love for Romney, trump, Palin, and Rick Perry to run.....hey bring back ole Herman Cain as well.....the gaffes would be amazing....along with Biden, I'd be laughing my way through the primaries ;D

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #369 on: January 17, 2015, 07:49:10 AM »
You know you are in trouble when your own base is not too keen on you.  The truth is they do not like him (they never did) and they will not turn out for him.  Like many successful people, Romney surrounds himself with "yes men" or people who think just like he does (which is just as bad) so he never gets a reality check.  The party seems to be turning on him rather quickly this time so maybe he will get the message.  My guess is his ego will get the better of him and he will enter the race.  If he does he will lose (Bush or Christie will beat him) and then he will finally go away for good greatly diminished and/or humiliated.  :(

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Re: Mitt Romney--Again!
« Reply #370 on: January 17, 2015, 07:58:57 AM »
You know you are in trouble when your own base is not too keen on you.  The truth is they do not like him (they never did) and they will not turn out for him.  Like many successful people, Romney surrounds himself with "yes men" or people who think just like he does (which is just as bad) so he never gets a reality check.  The party seems to be turning on him rather quickly this time so maybe he will get the message.  My guess is his ego will get the better of him and he will enter the race.  If he does he will lose (Bush or Christie will beat him) and then he will finally go away for good greatly diminished and/or humiliated.  :(

he might just keep on winning nomination every time now lol.  he knows the formula for winning that, he has the $ and network in place.

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« Reply #371 on: January 17, 2015, 08:19:45 AM »
he might just keep on winning nomination every time now lol.  he knows the formula for winning that, he has the $ and network in place.

I think not. He had no real competition last time.  Bush and Christie will not roll over for him.

Does anyone really think Romney is interested in "poverty" as an issue?  The word "shift" and Romney in the same sentence is toxic for him.  See next post...

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« Reply #372 on: January 17, 2015, 08:23:23 AM »
Romney shifts focus to poverty, opportunity
By Dan Balz and Philip Rucker

SAN DIEGO — Mitt Romney laid down a marker for a prospective presidential campaign in 2016, telling a Republican audience here Friday night that the party can win the White House with a conservative message that stresses security and safety for the American people, opportunity for all regardless of background and a plan to lift people out of poverty.

In his first public appearance since his surprise announcement that he will seriously consider a third campaign for the White House, Romney offered an economic message that represented a dramatic departure from the themes he sounded in losing the 2012 campaign to President Obama.

“Under President Obama, the rich have gotten richer, income inequality has gotten worse and there are more people in poverty than ever before,” Romney said. “Under this president, his policies have not worked. Their liberal policies are good every four years for a campaign, but they don’t get the job done.”

In his last campaign, Romney was hampered by an image, pushed by the Democrats, that he was a wealthy business executive who was out of touch with ordinary Americans. On Friday, he seemed determined to send a signal that he would try to deal with that problem from the start, should he run.

“It’s a tragedy -- a human tragedy – that the middle class in this country by and large doesn’t believe the future won’t be better than the past or their kids will have a brighter future of their own,” Romney said. He added, “People want to see rising wages and they deserve them.”

As with others in his party, he raised the issue of social mobility and the difficulty of those at the bottom from rising into the middle class. He cited former president Lyndon B. Johnson’s War on Poverty half a century ago. Johnson’s intentions were good, he said, but his policies had not worked. He argued that Republicans must persuade voters that conservative policies can “end the scourge of poverty” in America.

Beyond a focus aimed more at struggling middle-class families and those in poverty, Romney’s brief remarks Friday included comments about the work he had done as a lay pastor in the Mormon Church, a topic he rarely spoke about in his past campaigns. He invoked his wife Ann, who stood on the stage with him.

“She knows my heart in a way that few people do,” he said. “She’s seen me not just as a business guy and a political guy, but for over 10 years as you know I served as a pastor for a congregation and for groups of congregations... She’s seen me work with folks that are looking for better work and jobs and providing care for the sick and the elderly. She knows where my heart is.”

Romney joked also that the question he’s been asked most frequently in recent days is what Ann thinks about another campaign. “She believes that people get better with experience,” he joked. “Heaven knows I have experience running for president.”

The one element of Romney’s substantive remarks that did not mark a departure from his last campaign was criticism of Obama on foreign policy. Citing threats across the globe to U.S. security, Romney said, “The results of the Hillary Clinton-Barack Obama foreign policy have been devastating, and you know that. Terrorism is not on the run.”

Romney’s appearance came aboard the USS Midway, an aircraft carrier museum docked in downtown San Diego, where the Republican National Committee held a reception to conclude its winter meeting here. His appearance drew a throng of reporters, with about two dozen cameras awaiting him and his wife when they arrived shortly before 7 p.m. PT.

Before taking the stage, Romney mingled with RNC members and reminisced about happy times on the campaign trail in 2012. When he saw some friends from Puerto Rico, he recalled the thunderous rally he attended in San Juan during the territory’s primary campaign.

“I don’t think anybody thought we’d be getting any delegates in Puerto Rico, but we got ‘em all, thanks to you,” Romney said.

Ann chimed in, “That was the most extraordinary night.”

Ann told a few reporters she was excited to be back on the campaign trail, but said this was a “time to think.” Asked whether her husband would run again, she said, “We don’t know yet.”

As the Romneys walked to their SUV to leave the aircraft carrier, a few fans asked Mitt to autograph a few baseballs.

"Look at this," he said with a smile and a chuckle. "Isn't that nice to get the chance to sign a baseball again?"

He signed a few, but then told them, "One more. I don't want to flood the market with these -- might drop the price below 50 cents again."

His last words as he got into the waiting SUV were: “I’m thinking – thinking about it. Giving it consideration.”

Romney’s remarks came at the end of a tumultuous week in the Republican presidential race — and a roller-coaster ride for the 2012 nominee. His declaration that he will seriously consider running again generated both surprise and excitement within GOP circles. The announcement foreshadowed a potentially dramatic clash between the former Massachusetts governor and former Florida governor Jeb Bush.

Romney and his inner circle worked the phones in an effort to gauge interest and potential support for a third campaign, and to begin to reassemble the team that carried him to the nomination and into the general election.

But within days, another reality set in, which was resistance to his possible candidacy. A few one-time Romney supporters expressed public skepticism while others privately said they hoped he would not go forward.

There was criticism as well about the way the rollout was handled, which appeared to have been little planned and caught even some close to Romney by surprise. There was criticism as well about the rationale that some of those around Romney were using to justify a new campaign.

Many Republicans, however fond they are of Romney personally, are unforgiving about the campaign he ran, arguing that Obama was highly vulnerable and that a more skilled campaign and candidate would have won.

Romney quickly came under pressure to explain not only the substance behind his belief that he should be the 2016 nominee but also to show that a new campaign would be run differently, with new faces and an expanded operation.

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« Reply #373 on: January 17, 2015, 04:17:12 PM »
I think not. He had no real competition last time.  Bush and Christie will not roll over for him.

Does anyone really think Romney is interested in "poverty" as an issue?  The word "shift" and Romney in the same sentence is toxic for him.  See next post...

I don't think Christie is capable of rolling over.

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« Reply #374 on: January 17, 2015, 07:00:26 PM »
I don't think Christie is capable of rolling over.

Good line :D...I don't think Romney could win the presidency because I think the public will always have a sneaking suspicion that Romney couldn't care less about the poor and that he won't be a president for ALL people, but only for the rich and well off