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« Reply #100 on: December 03, 2012, 07:11:43 AM »

This country in small steps is progressing to socialist type society. The successful are made to be villains. The only rich people liberals have no problems with are athletes and entertainers.
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« Reply #101 on: December 03, 2012, 02:49:10 PM »

And what do the poor have in the US?  Well, let's see:

- A home, thanks to subsidized housing provided by the government
- A car, and/or access to transportation
- Access to educational opportunities
- Food...obesity is an epidemic amongst ALL Americans...no one has died from starvation in the US in recent memory
- Medical Care....you get sick, you can go to a hospital and get treated.....broke or not, insured or not.
- Employment.  There is ALWAYS work to be had.  Unemployment is the option of choice for the lazy or the proud or the gravely ill.

Being poor is a direct consequence of inadequate education and/or vocational skills.  Why care who is rich and what percentage are rich?  What are exactly these roadblocks that supposedly exist that keep millions of American in squalor?  Give me a valid reason as to how or why any person in America are unable to obtain all of the above?  Who exactly stands in the way?

" Why care who is richt and what percentage are rich"

In a perfect world that would not be of importance. However, if only the rich profit from the economic growth then something is wrong.

Access to education? I never knew that Yale was for free Smiley

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« Reply #102 on: December 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM »

" Why care who is richt and what percentage are rich"

In a perfect world that would not be of importance. However, if only the rich profit from the economic growth then something is wrong.

Access to education? I never knew that Yale was for free Smiley



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« Reply #103 on: December 03, 2012, 07:01:00 PM »

To the people that think we need to be taxed more, do you actually believe that the govenment manages money well?  Are you happy with the return that you have gotten on that investment?  How much is enough?  At what point will you declare the tax rates high enough and start holding the .gov accountable for how they manage it?

The only way to encourage real growth and truly stimulate the economy is to let people work for themselves and not the government.  Let them keep more of their own money.  The government is filled with crooks that can't and won't solve our problems.   The sooner you get that through your head the better off we will all be.      

The rich need to be taxed so that money can be invested back into the middle class (in the form of jobs preferably) because obviously they haven't been doing it of their own volition.
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« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2013, 11:41:28 PM »

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/09/10/pay-gap-richest-poorest/2793343/

Top 1% take biggest income slice on record

The gulf between the richest 1% of the USA and the rest of the country got to its widest level in history last year.

The top 1% of earners in the U.S. pulled in 19.3% of total household income in 2012, which is their biggest slice of total income in more than 100 years, according to a an analysis by economists at the University of California, Berkeley and the Paris School of Economics at Oxford University.

The richest Americans haven't claimed this large of a slice of total wealth since 1927, when the group claimed 18.7%. The analysis is based on data from Internal Revenue Service data.

One of the economists behind the research, Emmanuel Saez of the University of California, Berkeley, is a top researcher in the topic of wealth and income inequality. He won the John Bates Clark medal last year. The Clark medal is awarded to the most promising economists under the age of 40. Past winners have includes Paul Krugman of Princeton University, Lawrence Summers and Steve Levitt, co-author of "Freakonomics."

In a separate analysis, Saez found the top 1% of earnings posted 86% real income growth between 1993 and 2000. Meanwhile, the real income growth of the bottom 99% of earnings rose 6.6%.
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« Reply #105 on: September 11, 2013, 11:58:11 PM »

as if anything could be done to prevent the pending global worldwide economical collapse to happen...

Some things obviously have to be done, but considering it means some people -a lot of people- will have to lose everything they have but dont deserve to own / will have to die, we will all patiently wait for the point of no return to be reached before doing anything. It's always the same thing. How can you tell millions, billions of people, that they are useless assholes? You can't. Romney basically said that 50% of americans are lazy assholes, see where it got him. That was the truth, but the truth is always a problem for people who sin all day long.

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« Reply #106 on: September 12, 2013, 12:14:25 AM »

coach, maybe your success wasn't caused by your philosophy?  maybe your philosophy was caused by your success?

i think this is the whole history of the american dream, actually

in the beginning, america was a huge, empty space ripe for development.  those with ambitious attitudes often did well in these circumstances, so "the american dream" was born.  well, america is pretty much packed to the gills with assholes now.  you have to consider the possibility that those who still capitalize on the old dream (as you have, bravo) are now, perhaps, far more exceptional than before...
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« Reply #107 on: September 12, 2013, 01:33:25 AM »

As long as the Republican middle class takes the bill that the rich leaves em. Taxes, housing value, stock market.etc as long as the Republican middle class is happy to pay, why change it ?
If they complain we just accuse them of beeing socialists. It worked so far.
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« Reply #108 on: September 12, 2013, 01:51:07 AM »

No reason the ultra rich shouldn't pay 30% if the middle class pays 30%.

Business taxes were much higher during the most prosperous times (50's-60's), but there wasn't the international competition back then.

Bottom line is, spending is the problem. Wasteful and corrupt spending specifcally.

No one should have to pay 30%
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« Reply #109 on: September 12, 2013, 01:53:54 AM »

yes, if by "economics" you mean liberal economics and adhere to the right of property doctrine of rights as proposed by the forefathers of our liberal economy.

There is a certain guy called something like Carlos Marx that unoderstood economics better than me and you and made some VERY good points, fyi.

Glad to see that after all these months you've finally recovered from that epic owning by George Whorewell!

Owned? I apologize for not putting my life on hold so I could communicate with you on an internet message board. Unfortunately I had to leave this great bastion of higher intelligence for 24 hours so I could do adult stuff like go to work.  

Why is it that people from irrelevant 3rd world shitholes always feel the need to chime in with their worthless opinions on American politics, law, pop culture and the like?

Do Americans ever waste their time seeking out Chilean websites so they can register tough sounding Chilean names (Like Flaco or Sea Bass) on Chilean websites to create an outlet to vent their thoroughly uninformed and unsolicited opinions on goat milking or cocaine smuggling or floor mopping or whatever it is that you and your fellow countrymen contribute to this planet?
 
Of course not, so right off the bat- you’re a loser with a meaningless opinion and the argument is over before it begins.

It is plainly obvious that your envy for America probably stems from a combination of unhappiness and dissatisfaction with your personal life coupled with the knowledge that your country owes its existence to the US. From Spanish colony to military dictatorship controlled by US influence into … um whatever it has become today. The 4th best South American country in synchronized swimming at the Olympics?

Your inferiority complex is understandable.

EDIT: Didn't realize this was an old post.  George Whorewell owned Metabolic so bad back in February that he hasn't posted since!  Grin
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« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2013, 01:58:17 AM »

Obama represents taxes for everyone but the scumbag politicians.  The new "royalty."  The new "rulers."

Obama wants to raise taxes on the ultra wealthy, with medium cuts to social security and medicare.

Republicans want to close tax loopholes on the ultra wealthy, with large cuts to social security and medicare.

Obama proposed his plan and was laughed outta the room by Republicans:




McConnell told the Weekly Standard that he "burst into laughter" as Geithner outlined the plan.

"GOP aides say Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner presented an offer calling for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue over the coming decade, extending the 2 percentage point payroll tax deduction or something comparable to it and $50 billion in stimulus spending on infrastructure projects.
The White House plan calls for $960 billion over the coming decade by increasing tax rates and taxes on investment income on upper-bracket earners and $600 billion in additional taxes. Republicans view the offer as a step backward with the fiscal cliff – an economy-rattling set of automatic spending cuts and tax increases – looming at years' end."
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« Reply #111 on: September 12, 2013, 11:08:52 PM »

Glad to see that after all these months you've finally recovered from that epic owning by George Whorewell!

EDIT: Didn't realize this was an old post.  George Whorewell owned Metabolic so bad back in February that he hasn't posted since!  Grin


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« Reply #112 on: September 12, 2013, 11:14:57 PM »

George Whorewell is an absolute savage
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« Reply #113 on: September 13, 2013, 05:03:07 AM »

Drop taxes for everyone.

More spending, more investment, more jobs, lower prices...
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« Reply #114 on: September 13, 2013, 09:03:16 AM »

There is no more middle class in America, it's just the elite rich class, and poor poverty class!
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« Reply #115 on: September 13, 2013, 09:17:52 AM »

Anybody against severe taxing of the ultra rich is either ultra rich or utterly blind

right.  we need to punish them!  right?  amazing how the liberal media makes all the young people think like this. 
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« Reply #116 on: September 13, 2013, 02:10:59 PM »

Is there still a middleclass?
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« Reply #117 on: September 13, 2013, 02:12:26 PM »

USA is fucked
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« Reply #118 on: September 13, 2013, 03:47:59 PM »

we are now living in America Inc.
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« Reply #119 on: September 13, 2013, 03:49:26 PM »

right.  we need to punish them!  right?  amazing how the liberal media makes all the young people think like this. 

Gee, bears. That's Rush Limbaugh's favorite line.

Coincidence?
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« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2013, 07:55:13 AM »

Yes let's lower the taxes on rich because some day I will be super rich and will benefit from those tax breaks.  Roll Eyes

unless you own your own business, you might just  work for someone else,  more than likely that person is "rich"

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« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2013, 09:21:54 AM »

USA is fucked


LOL maybe for some loser like you it is.
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« Reply #122 on: September 14, 2013, 09:42:59 AM »

top 1% are further ahead then any time since 1917. Good work OBama lol

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/09/the-1-are-again-getting-richer-should-the-99-really-care/
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« Reply #123 on: September 14, 2013, 10:11:24 AM »

Where Do You Stand? With the Rich or Middle Class?

your wealth, capital and salary pretty much define where you stand ?
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« Reply #124 on: September 14, 2013, 10:17:40 AM »

Where Do You Stand? With the Rich or Middle Class?

your wealth, capital and salary pretty much define where you stand ?

pretty much. Unless you are a rich and cultured person who votes democrat. I'm not saying that's a good thing, just pointing out this scenario.
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