Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?

[Ronnie Rep]

Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense.  Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.

When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?

This is true can't touch a receiver!

[Nicademus]

I keep asking you about all that talent in the 1981 49ers and you never really give me anything.... Who was all that talent on that team?

Bill Walsh was a hell of a weapon.

You act like the 49ers slayed a dragon.  Who did the Bengals have?  Ken Anderson?

Those 49ers beat those Bengals 10 out of 10 times.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Bellicheck's offense isn't innovative. the rules changes are why they are so great. which is ironic, because they MADE the rule changes because players and coaches were complaining about bellicheck's NE defense beating the shit out of receivers on every play.

So they changed the rules and what does he do? says "fuck defense" and stockpiles offensive talent and installs a pass-first offense...LOL, gotta hand it to the guy, he's a devious fuck.

It helps that Bob Kraft has a lot of power in the NFL circle to make rule changes that help his team.

[Nicademus]

Bellicheck's offense isn't innovative. the rules changes are why they are so great. which is ironic, because they MADE the rule changes because players and coaches were complaining about bellicheck's NE defense beating the shit out of receivers on every play.

I disagree.  Bellichick's offense under the guidance of Brady is one of the most explosive the league has ever seen.  An example-He's revolutionized the 2 tight end set, creating mismatches teams have no answer for right now.

2 TE sets were power running sets.  BB has turned them into defensive match up nightmares from a passing perspective.

[bigkid]

All those coordinators run Bellichicks system. 

And what system is that? Bellichick is a defensive coach. 

[Nails]

Bellicheck isnt an Offensive Coach, he only calls the Defensive plays

of course Bellicheck does have the final say on a play before it goes to Brady

[Nicademus]

And what system is that? Bellichick is a defensive coach. 

Seriously?

[tu_holmes]

Bill Walsh was a hell of a weapon.

You act like the 49ers slayed a dragon.  Who did the Bengals have?  Ken Anderson?

Those 49ers beat those Bengals 10 out of 10 times.

Oh brother.

[Nicademus]

Oh brother.

White flag accepted.  

[bigkid]

Seriously?

Yes seriously.  What's this Belichick system you talk of?  The guy has never been an offensive coach at any level, yet you're giving him credit for putting together one of the best offenses off all time.  They've run a few different systems under multiple coordinators, fitting it to personel. Manning had the same "system" for his entire career with the same coordinator up until this year.

[Palpatine Q]

It helps that Bob Kraft has a lot of power in the NFL circle to make rule changes that help his team.

*Bob Kraft thinking*.....Hmmmm, iv'e a got a tall, immobile quarterback with a deadly accurate arm who doesn't do so well when he gets knocked around


"Hey Guys, let's make it so you can't hit the quarterback or touch the receivers!!"  

Seriously it's a combination of all three, He's a great QB, the rules are set up for the passing offense, and he's got the best coaching staff in the league in his corner.

Think about it, Prototypical Tom Brady is him standing tall and hitting a WIDE OPEN receiver about 15 yards downfield and they are so fucking open they get 15 more.

He's not Brett Favre or Ben Rothlesburger Throwing the ball 40 yards with two guys at his feet, into double coverage and the dude makes a circus catch.

The Patriots are the best team BY FAR at getting mismatches, getting open and breaking down a defense.

[Shockwave]

He's not Brett Favre or Ben Rothlesburger Throwing the ball 40 yards with two guys at his feet, into double coverage and the dude makes a circus catch.

The Patriots are the best team BY FAR at getting mismatches, getting open and breaking down a defense.

Agreed. As one of the commentators said, what makes Brady and the Pats so good is their ability to be surgical, creating the mismatches, and Brady's composure to stay in the pocket and find the mismatch even with people in his face.

[CalvinH]

*Bob Kraft thinking*.....Hmmmm, iv'e a got a tall, immobile quarterback with a deadly accurate arm who doesn't do so well when he gets knocked around


"Hey Guys, let's make it so you can't hit the quarterback or touch the receivers!!"  

Seriously it's a combination of all three, He's a great QB, the rules are set up for the passing offense, and he's got the best coaching staff in the league in his corner.

Think about it, Prototypical Tom Brady is him standing tall and hitting a WIDE OPEN receiver about 15 yards downfield and they are so fucking open they get 15 more.

He's not Brett Favre or Ben Rothlesburger Throwing the ball 40 yards with two guys at his feet, into double coverage and the dude makes a circus catch.

The Patriots are the best team BY FAR at getting mismatches, getting open and breaking down a defense.

Dude is tough as nails...both superbowls the Giants drilled him over and over again.

first superbowl at the end he threw a 60 yard ball on the money that got knocked away at the last second and last year he had a chance with a hail mary.

[Nails]

both Superbowls Brady had them in the lead, and the Pats D lost the game for them

[CalvinH]

both Superbowls Brady had them in the lead, and the Pats D lost the game for them

Eli had something to do with that.

[Nails]

Eli had something to do with that.

Yes , Pats D could not stop ELI , ELI was better then the Pats D both times

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Brady might not even be the best QB of his era.  He's had the benefit of one coach and 1 system his whole career.

If Kraft could only keep Brady or Belichick, he would get rid of Belichick without blinking an eye. In fact, Belichick may have cost New England two more Super bowls by being so stubborn with the defense.

[Palpatine Q]

Dude is tough as nails...both superbowls the Giants drilled him over and over again.

first superbowl at the end he threw a 60 yard ball on the money that got knocked away at the last second and last year he had a chance with a hail mary.

Calvin I put a lot of time and thought into my posts and it hurts my feelings when you dismiss them like that.

[Mr Nobody]

Go Jets.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

"The Pats didn't miss a beat when Brady was out and they went 11-5." -Pray_4_War

Bevo, I'm sorry but that is a fact. 

Not true. They missed the playoffs that year. 11-5 wasn't good enough. If Brady was healthy, that 11-5 would probably have been 13-3 and they make the playoffs. Huge difference.

[Nails]

Brady went undefeated up until almost the last play of the Season


Thats a fucking hell of a season   "."

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense.  Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.

When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?

Although some truth to your post, the reason they both put up numbers is because of their quick release and accuracy.

[CalvinH]

Calvin I put a lot of time and thought into my posts and it hurts my feelings when you dismiss them like that.

I legit lol'd

[Palpatine Q]

I legit lol'd

HaHaaa

OH BTW...no love for Terry Bradshaw ?

4 rings, 2 super bowl MVP's

[ChopperRider]

Brady and Manning put up those gaudy numbers largely to all the rule changes that greatly help out the offense.  Even scrubs regularly put up 300+ yard games.
When you look up Greatest Football Player ever, what are you looking for?
- Longetivity
- Stats?
- Championships?

Probably a combination of all of that. Including acknowledgement from their fans and peers.

Baseball = Willie Mays
Hockey = Wayne Gretzky
Basketball = Michael Jordan
Swimming = Michael Phelps
Golf = Tiger Woods

Kind of like that.