Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting

[The True Adonis]

Whats the proper definition of a "mass shooting"?

[Shockwave]

You keep missing the point. Australia is not the US. There are already countless number of firearms in illegal hands already, more than we could ever track down. With Mexico to our south, a constant flood of firearms would re-enter the country into the hands of the criminals.

It would never work here, and the only people that would get fucked are the citizens that follow the law. Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp?

You guys are a fucking island floating in the middle of the ocean. Pretty easy to control what enters and exits when you have no neighbors.   And that's not even getting into the constitutional aspect of it.

[Radical Plato]

Mexico shows that strict gun regulations do not work. Go back to whining about how all pit bulls should be killed.

90 percent of the guns used in Mexican drug crime come from the United States.  Australia is a perfect example of how strict Gun Regulations work and prevent MASS SHOOTINGS! And guess what, the Government hasn't come for the people to kill them all and take away their liberty! Americans are paranoid, scared and insecure people.  I feel sorry for them, they just don't know any better.  It used to be ignorance is Bliss, unless your an American that is, then Ignorance becomes a prison.

[Radical Plato]

You keep missing the point. Australia is not the US. There are already countless number of firearms in illegal hands already, more than we could ever track down. With Mexico to our south, a constant flood of firearms would re-enter the country into the hands of the criminals.

It would never work here, and the only people that would get fucked are the citizens that follow the law. Why is that so hard a concept for you to grasp?

You guys are a fucking island floating in the middle of the ocean. Pretty easy to control what enters and exits when you have no neighbors.   And that's not even getting into the constitutional aspect of it.

Mexico gets it's GUNS from you guys!  Studies proove that owning a gun when facing a criminal is more likely to get you killed or injured, it doesn't make you safer, it makes you a target, you are more vulnerable, not less.  When are you idiots going to learn that!

[Shockwave]

Mexico gets it's GUNS from you guys!  Studies proove that owning a gun when facing a criminal is more likely to get you killed or injured, it doesn't make you safer, it makes you a target, you are more vulnerable, not less.  When are you idiots going to learn that!

Yes, Mexico gets it's guns from us. Actually, from our own government in many cases.

Im 100% sure that if we banned firearms, that Mexico would simply refuse to sell their illegal firearms to Americans, just like they don't sell their illegal drugs to Americans. I mean, it makes such perfect sense. 

We're not Australia. We'll never be Australia, unless the US somehow just manages to detach itself from Mexico and Canada. Until that day, criminals are going to have firearms.

[Radical Plato]

Yes, Mexico gets it's guns from us. Actually, from our own government in many cases.

Im 100% sure that if we banned firearms, that Mexico would simply refuse to sell their illegal firearms to Americans, just like they don't sell their illegal drugs to Americans. I mean, it makes such perfect sense.  

We're not Australia. We'll never be Australia, unless the US somehow just manages to detach itself from Mexico and Canada. Until that day, criminals are going to have firearms.

You have to forget about criminals, they will always disobey the law, that is why they are criminals, and the mass shootings are often perpetrated by individuals who aren't a part of the criminal justice system, they are committed by average individuals who have SNAPPED!  The system needs to make it near impossible for an ordinary individual to become a mass murdering terrorist in the span of a few minutes.  That should be the goal, make it hard for them, not easy.  And if some people have to give up their weekends shooting at inanimate targets (a past time that makes ZERO sense too me) then, well, so be it.  Surely individuals giving up the hobby of being a casual shooter is a very moderate trade off for reducing the regular mass shootings that America experiences.  That seems reasonable to me, but unfortunately, Gun Nutters are very unreasonable people whose motivations seem to be incredibly self centred and not in any way could they be considered community minded (except by themselves in some skewed parallel universe inside their own imagination).  If I owned a GUN and my country experienced the unimaginable suffering that the States regularly do, I would gladly destroy it myself, personally, I don't like enabling or being a part of anything that causes more harm than good, that's just a philosophical rule I live by!  Anyway, FUCK the selfish GUN NUTTERS, cue the wrath of an angry GUN NUT in 3... 2 ..... 1 .........

[Roger Bacon]

There's no gun violence issue.

Your chance of being a victim of gun violence in the United States is extremely low.  I don't even know why this is being discussed.  I bet no one on this forum (Americans) even know anyone that's ever been shot.


The only gun violence that generally does occur from time to time is criminals killing other criminals (majority) and citizens lawfully defending themselves against criminals (once in a great while).

[Radical Plato]

There's no gun violence issue.

Your chance of being a victim of gun violence in the United States is extremely low.  I don't even know why this is being discussed.  I bet no one on this forum (Americans) even know anyone that's ever been shot.


The only gun violence that generally does occur from time to time is criminals killing other criminals (majority) and citizens lawfully defending themselves against criminals (once in a great while).

Between 2006 and 2010 47,856 people were murdered in the U.S. by firearms, more than twice as many as were killed by all other means combined.

Sounds like a problem to me!

[Roger Bacon]

I just calculated it.

In the city where I live you have a 0.003076923076923077 chance (per year) of being a shot.

[Roger Bacon]

Between 2006 and 2010 47,856 people were murdered in the U.S. by firearms, more than twice as many as were killed by all other means combined.

Sounds like a problem to me!

47,856 / 4 years = 11964 / 311,591,917 (U.S. population) = 0.003839637470441828

Minute, came out the same as my locality.  You have a better chance of dying in a car wreck.

Especially considering that this number is EXTREMELY skewed by criminals killing each other.


Again, this is a non-issue.

[garebear]

47,856 / 4 years = 11964 / 311,591,917 (U.S. population) = 0.003839637470441828

Minute, came out the same as my locality.  You have a better chance of dying in a car wreck.

Especially considering that this number is EXTREMELY skewed by criminals killing each other.


Again, this is a non-issue.

Go tell that to the parents who buried their kids today.

Tell us how it went.

[Roger Bacon]

Go tell that to the parents who buried their kids today.

Tell us how it went.

That's the dumbest thing you've posted to date.




























Wait... no it isn't

[Radical Plato]

47,856 / 4 years
Again, this is a non-issue.

Go tell that to the parents who buried their kids today.

Tell us how it went.

Man, WOW! is the average American in general a complete sociopath, how can anyone casually dismiss 50,000 murders over 4 years as a NON ISSUE!  The utter soul-lessness of the average American is Shocking!  The sad thing is, they seem completely oblivious to their own selfishness, callousness and cold heartedness.  The only hope for the world is if individuals care about the suffering of other people.  America seems worlds away from becoming a compassionate group of individuals.

[Conker]

There's no gun violence issue.

Your chance of being a victim of gun violence in the United States is extremely low.  I don't even know why this is being discussed.  I bet no one on this forum (Americans) even know anyone that's ever been shot.


The only gun violence that generally does occur from time to time is criminals killing other criminals (majority) and citizens lawfully defending themselves against criminals (once in a great while).

And how many know anyone that has ever had to use a firearm to defend themselves against a criminal?

[garebear]

That's the dumbest thing you've posted to date.




























Wait... no it isn't

Yours was a stupid and callous post.

As if thousand upon thousands of deaths don't matter because it doesn't affect you personally.

Did we "only" lose four thousand troops in Iraq? Oh, well, guess it doesn't really matter. Too bad military families, it's a small price to pay for the rest of us. Guess they should just suck it up, huh? We don't need to hear the whining from insignificant portions of the population.

How about you're the next one to get killed in a shooting? Hey, that's just ONE person. No biggie, right?

[Roger Bacon]

And how many know anyone that has ever had to use a firearm to defend themselves against a criminal?

The Second amendment wasn't written with common criminals or hunting in mind.

[Radical Plato]

Shooting victim, how it happened is anyone's guess, since George is a bit of a liar and changed his story about a dozen times

[Roger Bacon]

Yours was a stupid and callous post.

As if thousand upon thousands of deaths don't matter because it doesn't affect you personally.

Did we "only" lose four thousand troops in Iraq? Oh, well, guess it doesn't really matter. Too bad military families, it's a small price to pay for the rest of us. Guess they should just suck it up, huh? We don't need to hear the whining from insignificant portions of the population.

How about you're the next one to get killed in a shooting? Hey, that's just ONE person. No biggie, right?

I live in the United States, I'm sharing that minute risk with everyone else here.  It could have just as easily been me.

We pay that price.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

[Radical Plato]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

When a five year old child isn't safe from being murdered at school, that country has neither liberty, nor safety.

[garebear]

I live in the United States, I'm sharing that minute risk with everyone else here.  It could have just as easily been me.

We pay that price.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

The Liberty of blowing away school kids might be infringed upon, yes.

[Roger Bacon]

[Archer77]

47,856 / 4 years = 11964 / 311,591,917 (U.S. population) = 0.003839637470441828

Minute, came out the same as my locality.  You have a better chance of dying in a car wreck.

Especially considering that this number is EXTREMELY skewed by criminals killing each other.


Again, this is a non-issue.

I think looking at these numbers is a good way for people to get perspective on situations like mass shootings.  It's much the same with terrorism.  It's highly unlikely anyone here is going to be a victim of a mass shooting or terrorism.  I don't think it's logical to allocate disproportionally more resources and public attention on something anomalous when people die from drunk and cancer at much higher rates.

[Soul Crusher]

http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify

[Conker]

I think looking at these numbers is a good way for people to get perspective on situations like mass shootings.  It's much the same with terrorism.  It's highly unlikely anyone here is going to be a victim of a mass shooting or terrorism.  I don't think it's logical to allocate disproportionally more resources and public attention on something anomalous when people die from drunk and cancer at much higher rates.

But the billions and billions spent on "the war on terror" was right?  as the chances of you actually becoming a victim of terrorism were/are minute...

Incidents like this shooting damage the moral of the entire nation regardless of how unlikely you are to be directly affected, we know it's not a one off , we know while guns are so easily accessible to everyone, the next one will not be too far off. What kind of society just sits back and says well f@ck it, no matter how horrendous these shooting sprees are, no matter how appalled the entire nation is , we won't bother taking any meaningful action to stop it happening, as f@ck it not too many people are actually directly involved anyway.

[garebear]

But the billions and billions spent on "the war on terror" was right?  as the chances of you actually becoming a victim of terrorism were/are minute...

Incidents like this shooting damage the moral of the entire nation regardless of how unlikely you are to be directly affected, we know it's not a one off , we know while guns are so easily accessible to everyone, the next one will not be too far off. What kind of society just sits back and says well f@ck it, no matter how horrendous these shooting sprees are, no matter how appalled the entire nation is , we won't bother taking any meaningful action to stop it happening, as f@ck it not too many people are actually directly involved anyway.

Spot on.