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« Reply #275 on: January 17, 2013, 11:19:49 AM »

So,  you don't know what the fuck  you're talking about .
I just feel if I start spelling it all out for you like you're a child, it comes across as me trying to push some conspiracy theory agenda, which is NOT what I'm about. Ive already Told you what to google. Do you need me to hold your hand through this?

It's better for you to spend 20 minutes of your own time learning the facts of what has been made known to the public. You're a smart guy, I'm sure you are capable of that. I'd actually like to hear your opinion after youve spent 20 minutes investigating the weapon issue I brought up; I'd love to hear someone explain that to me.
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« Reply #276 on: January 17, 2013, 11:29:47 AM »

Reports say that the kid who did the shooting didn't talk to anyone almost all of his life. Hell he wouldn't even talk to the person cutting his hair unless his mother told him to. That folks is someone who is programmed. Now it doesn't mean government programmed but he was programmed by his mother. Now if the mom had ties with people from some dark government agency, then it's not far fetched to think that the kid could have been programmed one way or another from someone/something outside of his mom.  There's also the possibility that the mom was programmed and she pushed that programming off to her bloodline. Or he was just mental ill and lost it. Either way, researching all of this needs to been done and done for decades.
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« Reply #277 on: January 17, 2013, 11:37:23 AM »

have they released this lady's bunker yet and all her can foods she was prepping for Huh Huh

it was reported everywhere in the media she was a doomsday prepper yet nothing has been shown of her arsenal of weapons or can tunas
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« Reply #278 on: January 17, 2013, 12:00:14 PM »

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I dont see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event. Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes. Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes. Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes. Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event. Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot. Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don't see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can't expect them to pull off elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find. It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it. It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a youtube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists", us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush.
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« Reply #279 on: January 17, 2013, 02:49:59 PM »

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I dont see enough evidence to think Sandy Hook was a false flag operation. This is more of a tragic event turned into political opportunity than it is a staged event. Was there investigative bungling and the sensationalist media reporting unverified stories? Yes. Was there confusion and were facts lost and gained in that confusion? Yes. Are there people, even witnesses, looking for their 30 seconds in the spotlight? Yes. Are there individuals and institutions using and shaping this event for their own political agendas? Yes, and we must keep a very watchful eye on those institutions to keep them from twisting the facts of this event. Sadly, everything I mentioned above can, when taken out of context, make one think manipulation is afoot. Most chaotic events can come across that way. In examining the event, I don't see government hands at work mainly because they would have covered their tracks better. We can't expect them to pull off elaborately planned hoaxes while at the same time leaving behind so many easy "smoking guns" for us to find. It took years for independent investigators to uncover JFK. It took years for us to begin scratching out the truth about 9/11. Those of us who study real history, not state sanctioned history, can very easily become just as close minded and biased for conspiracy as those who stand in our way and refuse to accept the truth about our government and the people running it. It's very easy to fall into that trap, especially when knowing how much of our history and world events are not what they appear to be. So please, do not immediately jump up and yell "Fire!" just because someone makes a youtube video. Research, research, research. You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas. Much like the Birther conspiracy, I am starting to think that a lot of the so called "evidence" of conspiracy coming out about Sandy Hook is designed and fabricated to make us "conspiracy theorists", us truth seekers, look foolish. Why? So that when good people argue against the destruction of our Second Amendment they can easily be painted with the "crackpot" brush.

In all fairness to this statement by Jesse, 9/11 changed EVERYTHING...The internet has totally changed since then also. Everything is now real time and many people know that the CIA is in control of a lot of the western media.
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« Reply #280 on: January 17, 2013, 04:45:10 PM »

If you think these events were organized your a moron. If you think a group or several groups didn't use this story to push an agenda your a moron. I can tell you from being with the police, when a judge holds evidence and police reports for 90 days, something fucked up is going on, especially with a national story that nobody has but is demanding answers to.

There was no ar-15 used in this crime. They are holding everything for 90 days while our government are passing laws in record time. Think about it.

finally a post with some good sense on here
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« Reply #281 on: January 17, 2013, 04:48:26 PM »

  I do NOT trust the USA.
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« Reply #282 on: January 17, 2013, 04:49:47 PM »

  I do NOT trust the USA.

you served in the military Arce

if they asked you to kill American Civilians in some king of Revolutionary future scenario , would you do it soldier?
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« Reply #284 on: January 17, 2013, 04:52:25 PM »

  I am a MARINE. NOT a Soldier.

  I followed orders. NOT any more.
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« Reply #285 on: January 17, 2013, 04:56:18 PM »

  I am a MARINE. NOT a Soldier.

  I followed orders. NOT any more.

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« Reply #286 on: January 17, 2013, 05:09:02 PM »

if they asked you to kill American Civilians in some king of Revolutionary future scenario , would you do it soldier?
No way in hell.
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« Reply #287 on: January 17, 2013, 10:02:42 PM »

  I am NOT a Soldier. I am a US MARINE.
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« Reply #288 on: January 18, 2013, 05:05:47 AM »

  I am NOT a Soldier. I am a US MARINE.

So do you think being a Marine is any better than being a normal soldier or sailor or airman?
Why do you think you are better than other parts of the military?  Is this part of the brainwashing to make US Marines feel "special" so they can be controlled more?  Is it typically the less intelligent members of the armed forces who become marines?
I'm not trying to fuck with you. It's just a bit strange that US Marines seem the most robotic and Ooohh Haaa obidient and sempir fi "special".  Reminds me of the way we treat retarded kids nowadays ("You are a special little guy timmy"  etc ) In Heart Break Ridge this was parodied to great effect.



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« Reply #289 on: January 18, 2013, 10:32:04 AM »

So do you think being a Marine is any better than being a normal soldier or sailor or airman?
Why do you think you are better than other parts of the military?  Is this part of the brainwashing to make US Marines feel "special" so they can be controlled more?  Is it typically the less intelligent members of the armed forces who become marines?
I'm not trying to fuck with you. It's just a bit strange that US Marines seem the most robotic and Ooohh Haaa obidient and sempir fi "special".  Reminds me of the way we treat retarded kids nowadays ("You are a special little guy timmy"  etc ) In Heart Break Ridge this was parodied to great effect.





You have to have been in the military to understand the friendly rivalry between the services. Marines are marines, army are soldiers, Airforce are airmen, Navy is lazy (just kidding)

All are servicemen and women. Everyone thinks their branch of service is the best in general. No harm meant by distinguishing the difference.. though some probably take it to extremes.   
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« Reply #290 on: January 18, 2013, 03:50:14 PM »

So do you think being a Marine is any better than being a normal soldier or sailor or airman?
Why do you think you are better than other parts of the military?  Is this part of the brainwashing to make US Marines feel "special" so they can be controlled more?  Is it typically the less intelligent members of the armed forces who become marines?
I'm not trying to fuck with you. It's just a bit strange that US Marines seem the most robotic and Ooohh Haaa obidient and sempir fi "special".  Reminds me of the way we treat retarded kids nowadays ("You are a special little guy timmy"  etc ) In Heart Break Ridge this was parodied to great effect.





great movie lol very underrated. too much use of the word f a gg ot for todays standard perhaps

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« Reply #291 on: January 18, 2013, 04:53:02 PM »

  All of my tests scores in life are 85%    I had MOS of my choice (MP and SWAT)     
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« Reply #292 on: January 18, 2013, 05:52:53 PM »

  All of my tests scores in life are 85%    I had MOS of my choice (MP and SWAT)     

u should go be a merc, make lotta $$ 950/day
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« Reply #293 on: January 18, 2013, 07:26:51 PM »

So do you think being a Marine is any better than being a normal soldier or sailor or airman?
Why do you think you are better than other parts of the military?  Is this part of the brainwashing to make US Marines feel "special" so they can be controlled more?  Is it typically the less intelligent members of the armed forces who become marines?
I'm not trying to fuck with you. It's just a bit strange that US Marines seem the most robotic and Ooohh Haaa obidient and sempir fi "special".  Reminds me of the way we treat retarded kids nowadays ("You are a special little guy timmy"  etc ) In Heart Break Ridge this was parodied to great effect.

I haven't served, but as far as I know the Army is basically like the Boy Scouts.  Being a Marine is more of an achievement.  

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« Reply #294 on: January 19, 2013, 12:09:20 PM »

State Police spokesperson Lt. Paul Vance, who was on the scene, said he was disgusted by the conspiracy theories. ”There’s no hoax. I was there. I stepped over the dead children. That’s no hoax. And it’s offensive to me as an investigator, and it’s offensive to the families who lost their babies to have people come up with silliness like this. Whatever their reasoning is, whatever their rationale is, it’s just terribly offensive,” Vance added.

Why aren’t the adults sadder?  “They aren’t behaving the way human beings would act,” as conspiracy theorist Jay Weidner told fellow conspiracy theorist Jeff Rense on his radio show. Theorists have zeroed in on Robbie Parker, who they say wasn’t grieving hard enough for his slain 6-year-old daughter, Emilie. In one widely circulated clip, Parker laughs before stepping up to the microphone, and apparently someone says “read from the card” (as in cue card) before Parker breathes heavily in anticipation of beginning a press conference. “This is what actors do to get into character,” one popular YouTube video states. Rense and Weidner also take issue with the mourning of the school nurse, the family of slain teacher Victoria Soto, and others. “ALL ACTORS??? NO TEARS,” wonders the author of SandyHookHoax.com on a page featuring videos with numerous interviews from the shooting.

Answer: People mourn in many different ways, sometimes all at once. As a recent Scientific American article on gref noted, “oscillation between sadness and mirth repeated itself in study after study … Time and again, a grief-stricken person’s expression would change from dejection to laughter and back.” George Bonanno, a psychologist at Columbia University who studies grief, even developed a way to determine if this mourner’s laughter was genuine or merely a facade to hide grief — he determined that they “exhibited the real thing.” Scientists think this is part of our internal resilience mechanisms kicking in, because constant grief is simply too much for a person to handle.

What about Emilie? One of the most common myths circulated on message boards and in YouTube videos is that Emilie Parker is actually alive. The “proof” is a photo purportedly showing her with President Obama when he visited the school after the shooting. Conspiracists know it’s Emilie because she’s wearing the same dress as the one Emilie wore in a family portrait taken before the shooting (an alternative theory is that the girl in the photo with Obama is her “double”). Other websites take issue with the family portrait, alleging it was Photoshopped for some reason, pointing to the fact that the Emilie is making a “devil’s horns” sign with her hands and “making the devil’s horn hand sign isn’t easy. Try it yourself. Imagine getting a 3- and 4-year-old do it.”

Answer: The girl on Obama’s lap is Emilie’s little sister. It’s amazing that we have to say this, but sometimes younger siblings wear clothes passed down to them from older siblings, and sometimes siblings look alike because they are siblings. And there’s no evidence or even motive given for why the portrait would be Photoshopped. Making a “devil’s horn” gesture is actually incredibly easy. Try it yourself.

Why do they all look the same? Numerous websites juxtapose pictures of people from Newtown against pictures of similar looking people from Aurora, Colo., and assert they are the same actors.

Answer: Not all women with brown hair are the same person.

But what about the rifle? Alleged shooter Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle as his primary weapon, but conspiracist have seized on footage of police removing a long gun from the trunk of Lanza’s car. “This reveals the ‘Big Lie’ of the mainstream media … the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle was left in Lanza’s car,” conspiracy website NaturalNews states in a story picked up by Alex Jones’ InfoWars this week.

Answer: Actually, the gun shown being removed from Lanza’s car was a shotgun he never used. Lanza brought three guns inside the school — the AR-15 and two handguns — all of which were found inside the school.

How come the memorial pages were created before the shooting? One of the most cited pieces of “hard evidence” in the hoax theory is that memorial pages for the victims were allegedly created before the shooting even took place. Theorists point to Google results giving dates before the shooting for various pages.

Answer: Actually, this is a very common glitch for constricted-date Google searches. The results are imprecise and can often display incorrect dates on the search page, even when the date on the actual page is correct when you click through to it.  For instance, here’s a Fox News story on the Sandy Hook shooting that Google says is from Oct. 1, 1983 — how come Fox News didn’t stop the shooting if it had 30 years advance notice???

What about the car? Early on, theorists latched on to the notion that the black Honda Accord driven by Lanza was not actually owned by his mother, as police say, but by a man named Chris Rodia, who was mentioned on a police scanner at the time of the shooting. One theory is that Rodia may have been an additional shooter. An even more advanced theory is that Rodia may have been taking advantage of mentally ill people like Lanza and using drugs to make them do his bidding.

Answer: This one was debunked by the theorists themselves just a few days after the shooting. BeforeItsNews, a conspiracy website, obtained the police audio definitively debunking the myth (Rodia appeared on the scanner because he was getting pulled over in a traffic stop miles away, but his license plate doesn’t match Lanza’s car). “This was a huge blow, because lots of people were making big leaps on this … but we now have to look elsewhere,” another amateur investigator said on YouTube.

What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?

Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.

But there was another man in the woods (maybe): Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.

Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, “an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town” who heard the gunfire.

What about the third man at the firehouse? Children fleeing the school said they saw a man pinned down on the ground in handcuffs outside the firehouse. Could this be a second or third shooter?

Answer: No, like Manfredonia, this man was briefly detained by police in the hectic aftermath, but quickly released when it was determined he was just a passerby, Connecticut State Police spokesperson Lt. Paul Vance, who was on the scene, confirmed to Salon. “Were there other people detained? The answer is yes. In the height of battle, until you’ve determined who, what, when, where and why of everyone in existence … that’s not unusual,” Vance said.

Then why did some eyewitnesses report multiple shooters? Theorizers have parsed conflicting media reports and interviews with eyewitnesses saying they saw multiple shooters. How could they be wrong?

Answer: In the stress and confusion of a situation like a mass shooting, misreporting is not just common, but the rule. And there’s a reason eyewitnesses are viewed so skeptically in criminal court cases: They often get things wrong. The Supreme Court has called eyewitness testimony “notoriously unreliable” while the Innocence Project says ”eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions.” Yet theorists would have you believe that a small handful of media interviews with people on the scene trumps all the other interviews with people there and police and media reports.

What about that Gene Rosen guy? Theorists have fixated on Rosen’s account of that day and harassed him for it. Rosen sheltered six children during the shooting, but theorists have alternately claimed that Rosen’s accounts are suspiciously too consistent in various interviews he gave, or suspiciously inconsistent. Other people claim Rosen was an actor, because they claim he is a member of the Screen Actors Guild. And what happened to the bus driver? Why did Rosen sit with the kids for hours? Why didn’t he take them to the firehouse down the street where authorities were staging?

Answer: Rosen did invite the bus driver inside and she helped him contact their parents. An early AP report erroneously reported that he sat with the kids for hours, but he told us that the children were only inside his house for about 35 minutes. He did call their parents. Four parents came right away and Rosen took the remaining two to the fire station. Rosen is not a member of SAG (that’s a different Gene Rosen, who is seven years younger).

But how was the dead principal quoted? Theorists seized on a quote on the shooting in the Newtown Bee from a Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung, who died in the shooting. How could she have been quoted if she “died”?

Answer: The Bee quickly posted a retraction and an apology: “An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack.” Things are confusing in the aftermath.

What about the LIBOR connection? Early theories posited that the fathers of both Lanza and alleged Aurora shooter James Holmes were set to testify before the Senate on the (real) LIBOR banking scandal. Could bankers have been involved in the shooting to discredit the supposedly explosive testimony set to be given by these two men?

Answer: This one falls apart in just about every way and the hardcore theorists abandoned it weeks ago as a bogus. Ben Swann, the Ohio TV reporter who thinks there were probably multiple shooters at Sandy Hook, investigated and determined there was “no evidence” to support any of the assumptions in the LIBOR theory. TPM also looked into it and found it to be “100% false.” There are no LIBOR hearings scheduled, neither man was selected as a witness, and neither man is in much of a position to deliver an explosive testimony on the scandal anyway.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/
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« Reply #295 on: January 19, 2013, 06:55:43 PM »

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« Reply #296 on: January 19, 2013, 06:56:44 PM »

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« Reply #297 on: January 19, 2013, 07:07:17 PM »

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 WHY IS HE LAUGHING AND JOKING?
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« Reply #298 on: January 19, 2013, 07:09:26 PM »

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« Reply #299 on: January 19, 2013, 08:19:13 PM »

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 WHY IS HE LAUGHING AND JOKING?

cause he doesnt give a fuck, his getting paid
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