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Author Topic: 2012 Mr. Olympia - Kai Greene definitely should of won!  (Read 5710 times)
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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2013, 03:59:31 PM »

true, but what I meant by weight was weight in the gym...odd how Phil is known for his arms, yet Kai and Jay's (when Jay was competing) are bigger than Phil's.
Phil is gonna have to look at MM3, and "Unbelievable" and Kai's workouts and see, that he is gonna have to up the ante. It was too close this time, next time he's gonna have to show that He is Mr. O.
Every Mr. O has their close calls or have lost it. For Haney it was 1990 (and some have said before that). For Dorian it was 94 (some say 96 and 97), and for Ronnie it was when he lost at the GNC. For Jay it was 2008.
Now for Phil it was 2012, narrowly beating the man that has bested him at all the Arnold Classics.
This year is Phil's defining moment.

if he loses i think phil will completely go to pieces... meltdown...
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2013, 04:24:07 PM »

if he loses i think phil will completely go to pieces... meltdown...
possibly...and then, he'll pick himself up, and remake himself.

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2013, 05:22:51 PM »

Stop obsessing over that which is insignificant. Wiggs, i don't believe it has ever been asked but how did end up on this site. What is your link to bodybuilding. Did you ever work out? Why have you been here so many years fat and weird? Serious question.
That's a fair question, and your obsession with Kai!
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2013, 05:40:27 PM »

true, but what I meant by weight was weight in the gym...odd how Phil is known for his arms, yet Kai and Jay's (when Jay was competing) are bigger than Phil's.
Phil is gonna have to look at MM3, and "Unbelievable" and Kai's workouts and see, that he is gonna have to up the ante. It was too close this time, next time he's gonna have to show that He is Mr. O.
Every Mr. O has their close calls or have lost it. For Haney it was 1990 (and some have said before that). For Dorian it was 94 (some say 96 and 97), and for Ronnie it was when he lost at the GNC. For Jay it was 2008.
Now for Phil it was 2012, narrowly beating the man that has bested him at all the Arnold Classics.
This year is Phil's defining moment.
LOL Jay got absolutely destroyed by Vic in 2007. That was a robbery! Jay should have one Olympia tops
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2013, 05:43:11 PM »

It pains me to admit it but Kai should have won.   
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2013, 05:50:59 PM »

I'll say this, from the pics, Phil's conditioning was better from the back.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2013, 09:22:06 PM »

I'll say this, from the pics, Phil's conditioning was better from the back.
was he  Huh
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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2013, 09:36:18 PM »

was he  Huh
This was discussed ad naseum back in Oct, and pics were posted, and Phil was more conditioned from the back.

This is unrelated to the conditioning issue, but watch as both give each other props.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyEvm-_ILE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyEvm-_ILE</a>
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2013, 09:41:56 PM »

This was discussed ad naseum back in Oct, and pics were posted, and Phil was more conditioned from the back.

This is unrelated to the conditioning issue, but watch as both give each other props.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyEvm-_ILE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyEvm-_ILE</a>

a topic discussed "ad nauseum" doesnt influence my opinion on said topic....
I dont see where phil was more conditioned....
i watched that vid, kai indirectly tld phil he needs to not step over the line.....
 heath tries to hide it but he is as arrogant and cocky as hell which came to the fore on stage...
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2013, 09:58:30 PM »

a topic discussed "ad nauseum" doesnt influence my opinion on said topic....
I dont see where phil was more conditioned....
i watched that vid, kai indirectly tld phil he needs to not step over the line.....
 heath tries to hide it but he is as arrogant and cocky as hell which came to the fore on stage...
The pics were posted, because people were saying about the vid didn't show it, then the pics were posted and it showed...
And also see in the vid posted, a younger dude in the company calmer older guy. Diff personalities, yet both respect one another.

But, I know one thing, Kai ain't gonna let him get away with that again...
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2013, 10:08:03 PM »

i know you are a phil fan... im not really a fan of either physique... BTW
what did you think of phils behavior on stage...(not just stepping over the line)
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2013, 10:16:33 PM »

kai's RLS pose is astonishingly weak for his great back..
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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2013, 10:25:16 PM »

This was discussed ad naseum back in Oct, and pics were posted, and Phil was more conditioned from the back.

This is unrelated to the conditioning issue, but watch as both give each other props.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyEvm-_ILE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyEvm-_ILE</a>

Kai has a lot of rage inside of him. Hope he finally gets over it.
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2013, 10:32:49 PM »

i know you are a phil fan... im not really a fan of either physique... BTW
what did you think of phils behavior on stage...(not just stepping over the line)
He was wrong, and should have been penalized for it, like anybody else.
He has said before that a winner, does what he has to to win, so it goes lock step with his mentality.
I agree with what G had said, Phil is like Flex Wheeler, except with Jay as a guidance counselor.
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2013, 10:37:20 PM »

yes he is like flex only flex was real with the cockiness...

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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2013, 03:04:04 AM »

kai beats phil in front lat spread and side chest (his legs in this pose)
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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2013, 09:59:52 AM »

kai was definitely harder, with more striations and cuts, that is a fact
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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2013, 10:03:02 AM »

Yeah, but he fucked a grapefruit.   Undecided   Cheesy

Only thing anybody needs to know right there about why he won't win. And, if he does, that's this "sport" finally admitting it won't ever be legit.
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2013, 10:15:27 AM »

Only thing anybody needs to know right there about why he won't win. And, if he does, that's this "sport" finally admitting it won't ever be legit.

And I don't think he can get much bigger and maintain his waist.  Somehow he managed to tighten his waist last year but its going to be a challenge reigning that stomach in.   He has Coleman like potential for a big belly.
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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2013, 11:40:58 AM »

kai's RLS pose is astonishingly weak for his great back..
his back is so incredible it looks flexed relaxed...his upper traps throw it off,,,,yates rear double bi was like that not as insane as his rear lat spread..
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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2013, 11:46:32 AM »

is it really so horrible he fucked a grapefruit?

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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2013, 11:48:09 AM »

is it really so horrible he fucked a grapefruit?


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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2013, 01:00:29 PM »

its truly apples to oranges....kai wins all back poses...phil has a more pleasing look...while kai is a superfreak...kai had maybe a 2 percent better conditioning... really a tough call..overall i still think phil won but kai can and probably will beat phil in the future,,
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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2013, 01:56:40 PM »

He fucked a grapefruit.

Arnold wouldnt fuck a grapefruit.

Bring back the golden days
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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2013, 01:59:22 PM »

Kai is listed at 5'8 and Phil at 5'9. Kai can hold more weight because he's wider. Phil gives the illusion he's bigger than he is. Ronnie at his best in 98 was 252. Kai at his best (2012) was in the mid 250s.

And yes, Kai is Phil's Achilles heel. He beat Phil at the Arnold...twice. Phil has no Arnold's. Kai's found his look and just needs to keep doing what he's doing.  Kai will beat Phil in the O.
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