Author Topic: Up until now, who was the best ASC Winner? (Read 4352 times)

Parker · « **on:** March 05, 2013, 03:02:51 PM »

Meaning who had the best shape, size, conditioning? Was it Coleman 2001, Flex 1993 or 98? Levrone 94 or 96, Francois in 95, Shawn Ray or Ashley? Dex, Vic, Kai, Cutler, or even Nasser?

No mention of Branch.

mass243 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:04:29 PM »

Of course Flex wheeler.

Hard to compete with this:

Wiggs · « **Reply #2 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:05:02 PM »

Flex 1993

arce1988 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:05:14 PM »

dex back does not come close to flex

prizm · « **Reply #4 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:05:24 PM »

Flex 93

OTHstrong · « **Reply #5 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:08:40 PM »

A toss up between Ronnie and Flex, followed by Levrone 96, Phil then Dex then Vic then Kai

cswol · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:10:22 PM »

these three are up there for best in one show

Parker · « **Reply #7 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:15:43 PM »

Quote from: cswol on March 05, 2013, 03:10:22 PM

these three are up there for best in one show

If these three are the best, and I will add Francois '95, then should Arnold stipulate that at his show, that the judging should follow the Rulebook to emphasize these physiques? Because let's face it---Flex 93, Levrone 96, Francois 95, Ronnie 2001, all exemplify what the IFBB Rulebook dictates.

Wiggs · « **Reply #8 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:23:31 PM »

Ronnie's gut in 01 DQs him.

prizm · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:25:25 PM »

Quote from: cswol on March 05, 2013, 03:10:22 PM

these three are up there for best in one show

Kevin getting shit on pretty hard there

OTHstrong · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:25:53 PM »

Quote from: Parker on March 05, 2013, 03:15:43 PM

If these three are the best, and I will add Francois '95, then should Arnold stipulate that at his show, that the judging should follow the Rulebook to emphasize these physiques? Because let's face it---Flex 93, Levrone 96, Francois 95, Ronnie 2001, all exemplify what the IFBB Rulebook dictates.

They are not going to admit they are not following the rules, every judge thinks he is, hello lol

Parker · « **Reply #11 on:** March 05, 2013, 03:54:06 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on March 05, 2013, 03:23:31 PM

Ronnie's gut in 01 DQs him.

and Flex's bee-stung delts in 2000 don't?

Quote from: Onetimehard on March 05, 2013, 03:25:53 PM

They are not going to admit they are not following the rules, every judge thinks he is, hello lol

Who'd win, Arnold or the judges and Manion?
It is because of Arnold that prize money at the O was jacked up, and it is because of Arnold that almost everybody competing and judging are in bodybuilding---due to him influencing them. And every magazine trots out their Arnold specials, because they get bought the most.
I think time is ticking for many of these judges and The Manions. Time to clean house.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #12 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:09:43 PM »

Quote from: Parker on March 05, 2013, 03:54:06 PM

and Flex's bee-stung delts in 2000 don't?Who'd win, Arnold or the judges and Manion?
It is because of Arnold that prize money at the O was jacked up, and it is because of Arnold that almost everybody competing and judging are in bodybuilding---due to him influencing them. And every magazine trots out their Arnold specials, because they get bought the most.
I think time is ticking for many of these judges and The Manions. Time to clean house.

You are missing my point; You are making it sound like they know they are not going by the rules and Arnold will say '' start following the rules'' No bro, the judges are not thinking they are ''not following'' the rules, they will look at Arnold and say'' what are you talking about, we are following the rules'' obvious to us but not to them.

You think Arnold is going to sit there and explain to them what they are doing wrong, trust me the judges do their best, it is not as easy as it looks, everyone on getbig has the answers, there is no solution, whatever the direction they choice will displease a crowd somewhere as everyone has different preferences and most here do not have a clue how different it is live, looking at a 3 dimensional physique so implementing a change based on the preference of some peoples opinion looking at a picture that do not even tell the real story is a horrible idea.

Nails · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:14:07 PM »

Parker · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:17:29 PM »

^i get what you saying, I guess I am just thinking out loud...

But, I don't want to derail the thread (detailing one's own thread).

Quote from: Nails on March 05, 2013, 04:14:07 PM

Mike Francois was in better condition than Flex.

Mr Nobody · « **Reply #15 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:19:02 PM »

Francois crushing people in this thread.

Nails · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:20:32 PM »

Flex by a mile is way better symmetrical and shape , Probably is the best ASC winner of all time , Branch is bottom of the barrel

Quote from: Parker on March 05, 2013, 04:17:29 PM

^i get what you saying, I guess I am just thinking out loud...

But, I don't want to derail the thread (detailing one's own thread).Mike Francois was in better condition than Flex.

Parker · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:27:40 PM »

Quote from: Nails on March 05, 2013, 04:20:32 PM

Flex by a mile is way better symmetrical and shape , Probably is the best ASC winner of all time , Branch is bottom of the barrel

I agree, but his conditioning wasn't as sharp, Francois was dryer from the rear. Lee Haney said he thought Flex should have won, because of his shape. And that Francois was too blocky. At first I agreed with him, but as I looked at the pics, it could have gone either way, but I think Francois was better conditioned

Nails · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:29:23 PM »

Where does this 2x Champ rank???

arce1988 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2013, 04:30:37 PM »

mike has the best back here

Ronnie Rep · « **Reply #20 on:** March 05, 2013, 05:07:45 PM »

Quote from: Parker on March 05, 2013, 03:02:51 PM

Meaning who had the best shape, size, conditioning? Was it Coleman 2001, Flex 1993 or 98? Levrone 94 or 96, Francois in 95, Shawn Ray or Ashley? Dex, Vic, Kai, Cutler, or even Nasser?

No mention of Branch.

Flex 98, sorry don't have a picture!

the_swami · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2013, 05:09:54 PM »

its either ronnie 01 or Nasser 99

no one has displayed such ripped conditioning, mass and symmetry as Nasser in 99 and ronnie in 01

Flex's condition 93 (his best condition ever) was also up there but he just didnt have the size that year

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #22 on:** March 05, 2013, 05:12:04 PM »

Quote from: Parker on March 05, 2013, 03:02:51 PM

Meaning who had the best shape, size, conditioning? Was it Coleman 2001, Flex 1993 or 98? Levrone 94 or 96, Francois in 95, Shawn Ray or Ashley? Dex, Vic, Kai, Cutler, or even Nasser?

No mention of Branch.

Flex

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #23 on:** March 05, 2013, 05:14:40 PM »

Quote from: Ronnie Rep on March 05, 2013, 05:07:45 PM

Flex 98, sorry don't have a picture!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #24 on:** March 05, 2013, 05:16:07 PM »

Quote from: the_swami on March 05, 2013, 05:09:54 PM

its either ronnie 01 or Nasser 99

no one has displayed such ripped conditioning, mass and symmetry as Nasser in 99 and ronnie in 01

Flex's condition 93 (his best condition ever) was also up there but he just didnt have the size that year

LMMFAO Nasser better than Francios or Flex